Defining Food, And What Is Not Food
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Gabes,
This is an astute observation. I have definitely noticed that my eating brings out the crazy in people with issues around food or control (social control, health/weight...). But it's not the first time I've noticed that saying "no thank you" to food made some people nuts. I shared an office with a very heavy young man many years ago, and he was always pushing me to eat chocolate (I ate chocolate, just not constantly), or to have dessert (with lunch? really? is it my birthday?) - and once, I got apple juice from the snack cart, and he said, "go on, have a Coke, you can afford it." The juice was actually more expensive... then I realized he meant I could "afford" the calories. I have never cared for Coke, but it was a real eye opener for him that all my choices were about deprivation, from his point of view. Once we had lunch together - I declined dessert, and he ordered me a dessert anyway.
Anyway - not to pick on the fellow, that's just the must illustrative example that made me realize there's a lot of "food crazy" out there, years ago. Some people do seem to think they get to vote on whether your food choices are valid. (As in, 'real' celiac vs. gluten intolerance; but also 'allergy' vs. intolerance... in which case, you're pretty much allowed to be 'allergic' to shrimp and peanuts, and not much else.)
And *for sure* people who have issues with their own choices and ability to make them stick find it threatening that someone can do something strictly, consistently, and as close to 'absolutely' as possible. I am getting better at seeing this coming. And minding who I (don't) break (not) bread with.
Your analogies to other diagnoses are great. I hope I can find something I can say along those lines (and reserve my patented Snappy Comebacks for emergency use only).
Brenda - good luck with those Post-its!
Love,
Sara
This is an astute observation. I have definitely noticed that my eating brings out the crazy in people with issues around food or control (social control, health/weight...). But it's not the first time I've noticed that saying "no thank you" to food made some people nuts. I shared an office with a very heavy young man many years ago, and he was always pushing me to eat chocolate (I ate chocolate, just not constantly), or to have dessert (with lunch? really? is it my birthday?) - and once, I got apple juice from the snack cart, and he said, "go on, have a Coke, you can afford it." The juice was actually more expensive... then I realized he meant I could "afford" the calories. I have never cared for Coke, but it was a real eye opener for him that all my choices were about deprivation, from his point of view. Once we had lunch together - I declined dessert, and he ordered me a dessert anyway.
Anyway - not to pick on the fellow, that's just the must illustrative example that made me realize there's a lot of "food crazy" out there, years ago. Some people do seem to think they get to vote on whether your food choices are valid. (As in, 'real' celiac vs. gluten intolerance; but also 'allergy' vs. intolerance... in which case, you're pretty much allowed to be 'allergic' to shrimp and peanuts, and not much else.)
And *for sure* people who have issues with their own choices and ability to make them stick find it threatening that someone can do something strictly, consistently, and as close to 'absolutely' as possible. I am getting better at seeing this coming. And minding who I (don't) break (not) bread with.
Your analogies to other diagnoses are great. I hope I can find something I can say along those lines (and reserve my patented Snappy Comebacks for emergency use only).
Brenda - good luck with those Post-its!
Love,
Sara
Wow, just when I think I need to post a question, I find a thread that answers it perfectly! I totally agree that a food shouldn't be called a food unless it provides nutrition to the body, not toxicity. Gluten-free foods all seem to be trying to be something they're not...cake or bread or cookies are not a necessary part of our diets. I've been flaring (badly) since my first out-to-eat venture (two weeks ago) since was diagnosed with CC. I think I was glutened with the salad dressing, but just the fact it was a salad was probably not a good choice. I'm learning about peeling and cooking fruits and veggies. My PCP doc tried to tell me I should be on a "high fiber diet" last week, and I emphatically corrected him. You guys are my lifeline.
So, I've learned about salad, and now about soymilk (bad idea). It's always one step forward, four steps (at least) back. Green peppers, dill pickles, GF cookies...my no-no list is getting longer. I'm still on the Pepto 8-week regimen but it doesn't help much. I'll retreat to my rice, potatoes, applesauce, meat, and tea and try to get rid of my D before trying anything else new. For now, those are my "real" foods!
So, I've learned about salad, and now about soymilk (bad idea). It's always one step forward, four steps (at least) back. Green peppers, dill pickles, GF cookies...my no-no list is getting longer. I'm still on the Pepto 8-week regimen but it doesn't help much. I'll retreat to my rice, potatoes, applesauce, meat, and tea and try to get rid of my D before trying anything else new. For now, those are my "real" foods!
Pat C.
"Don't sweat the small stuff.
P.S. (It's all small stuff!)"
"Don't sweat the small stuff.
P.S. (It's all small stuff!)"
Pat,
Sorry to hear about the ongoing flare. And really sorry Pepto isn't saving the day - I tend to go along with your suspicion that that means there's something you've eaten that's not letting the irritation subside. Hopefully your super-limited food list will do the trick (and hopefully some things, like wee bits of fiber, will be able to come back once the healing progresses further.
Funny, my BIL is a surgeon, and he immediately asked if I were avoiding fruits/veg/salad. Interesting that he'd know that, but most physicians do not. And sad...
Hope you're feeling better fast,
Sara
Sorry to hear about the ongoing flare. And really sorry Pepto isn't saving the day - I tend to go along with your suspicion that that means there's something you've eaten that's not letting the irritation subside. Hopefully your super-limited food list will do the trick (and hopefully some things, like wee bits of fiber, will be able to come back once the healing progresses further.
Funny, my BIL is a surgeon, and he immediately asked if I were avoiding fruits/veg/salad. Interesting that he'd know that, but most physicians do not. And sad...
Hope you're feeling better fast,
Sara
Pat - If you are sensitive to soy, it was probably the soy in the salad dressing, along with the fiber that caused the problem. I have found some Walden Farms salad dressing that is gluten, soy, dairy and sugar free that cimes in I dividual packets. I keep them in my purse, so if I need to eat a salad away from home I don't have to worry about being soyed or glutened by the dressing.
Sara - I have a dinner to go to this weekend with my husbands partners and their wives. I am dreading the looks and questions. Luckily, we are going to the restaurant that is owned by my priest's father, so I know I'll be able to eat without worrying.
Hugs,
Sara - I have a dinner to go to this weekend with my husbands partners and their wives. I am dreading the looks and questions. Luckily, we are going to the restaurant that is owned by my priest's father, so I know I'll be able to eat without worrying.
Hugs,
Denise
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Mahatma Gandhi
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Mahatma Gandhi