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Why Vitamin D Levels Plumet When We're Dealing With An IBD

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Hi All,

I've been thinking about how vitamin D relates to MC and other IBDs, (and probably to celiac disease as well), and I have a theory about why our vitamin D levels decline so drastically as our body is forced to deal with the demands imposed on it by the GI issues. (Yep, yet another wild theory. :roll: :lol: )

You've already seen my theory about how these diseases may cause approximately a 10-fold increase in the demand for cholesterol/bile fatty acids, but if anyone wants to review it, here's a recap:
Normally, about 90% of excreted bile acids are reabsorbed from the intestinal system and recycled back to the liver and the gallbladder. The reabsorption takes place in the terminal ileum. Apparently, though, the reabsorption process becomes compromised when the ileum, (along with the rest of the intestinal tract), is inflamed. In addition, another limiting factor that can inhibit reabsorption may be introduced as a side effect of the inflammation associated with IBDs. I have a hunch that the reason why the bile fatty acids are not properly recycled when they get to the terminal ileum, (as they should be, if the digestive process were proceeding normally), is because they are still coating the fat colloids when they reach the ileum, and so they are in a state where they cannot be absorbed. IOW, if the pancreatic lipase does not hydrolyze the fats, then the bile salts cannot be reabsorbed. Since they cannot be absorbed and recycled, they pass on through, causing D. That doesn't mean that bile is the initiating cause of the D, though - the failure of the pancreatic enzymes to hydrolyze the fats, is almost surely the cause of the problem, and the ultimate cause of the compromised pancreas function, is, of course, inflammation.

Also, consider this: If most of the bile is lost, rather than recycled, then the demand for bile is roughly 10 times the normal amount. In the long run, losing all that recycled bile is bound to place abnormal demands on the liver and gallbladder, just to keep up with the body's needs. This may be why so many of us with MC have gallbladder problems.

Those bile fatty acids are feedstock material that the body uses to manufacture cholesterol to supply it's needs. If 90%, (or whatever amount), of the bile salts that would normally be recycled, are lost, instead, (due to malabsorption), then the body would have to produce much more cholesterol from "scratch". Since that could be as high as 10 times the normal production requirements, it would seem logical that serum cholesterol levels would go down, as a function of a long-term malabsorption issue.
OK, to expand on that, note that vitamin D is synthesized in the skin, by the initiating action of the sun on cholesterol. IOW, the sun triggers a chemical reaction that synthesizes vitamin D from cholesterol in the skin. If the availability of cholesterol in the skin, is reduced, then obviously, vitamin D production is going to suffer.

Cholesterol is absolutely essential to the cellular membranes of every cell in our body. It protects the cells from ion leaks, and it also helps to prevent oxidation damage to vital membrane fats. Since the brain comprises only about 2% of the mass of the body, but uses about 25% of the cholesterol, it's likely that in order to supply the brain, (and other vital body organs), if the body is forced to ration cholesterol, then it's probably going to limit cholesterol where a deficiency is least likely to interfere with vital bodily functions, namely, the skin.

And that, IMO, is why IBDs lead to a vitamin D deficiency. Of course, this is just my theory, so keep that in mind.

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Tex,

I love your wild theory! I bet there are phases of this, too - so even pretty early on, when symptoms are relatively mild/occasional, there starts to be a non-emergency reduced Vitamin D, which further hampers the body's ability to repair and heal. And that slow/low-grade problem would begin to accelerate, as less and less cholesterol is available - until it *does* become an emergency. My MC experience definitely seems to have gone from a minor/occasional/low-grade issue, to a four-alarm fire, literally overnight. My husband asked me daily, is it time to go to the ER? for about a week, at which point the combo of Pepto & homemade chicken soup started to put the brakes on the runaway train.

I guess I'm saying - there's perhaps a sudden steeply curved drop in the Vitamin D levels, after a period of relatively gradual decline. In fact, in a sense, the gradual decline itself could 'cause' the sharp drop, once some tipping point is reached.

Whereas, in the case I read about where someone's Vitamin D levels post-traumatic injury were amazingly low - but had been tested as high-normal the week before the accident - not a gradual decline. I wonder if this is related to that other assertion I recently read, that in times of critical injury or illness our protein needs increase to as much as 3g/kilo of body weight, and muscle reserves will be use if that need is not met...

Going to try to think about that a little now (but I'd better eat a little protein first!).

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I like your theory, Tex. I have so much to learn. How did you get so well informed? And is your history embedded somewhere in this website that I can read?

I have a question that may or may not be related to Vitamin D and cholesterol. Has anyone out there experienced problems in being able to communicate what they wanted to say? IOW, I sometimes know what I want to say, but I can't find the word very quickly. It seems to happen more lately. Granted I am 51, but I am known for my phenomenal memory skills.

Again, thank you for sharing your knowledge and theories, Tex. Keep 'em coming!

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Sharaine,

I'm fortunate to have hundreds of excellent teachers - the members of this board. And I supplement that by spending as much time as I can, searching the internet for research reports, and blogs/essays by creative thinkers.

My history is posted in various past threads, but it's hardly worth noting, because I'm definitely not a typical MC'er, due to the fact that I've had other serious health issues that have kind of thrown a monkey wrench into the works, from time to time. :lol: That's another reason why I've done a lot of research on health-related topics other than MC.

I can certainly identify with the problem that you describe, concerning communication issues. I definitely have a problem retrieving certain words from memory, sometimes, and it seems to be slowly getting worse. I'm pretty sure that the cause, in my case, is brain damage due to years of untreated gluten-sensitivity. I also have balance issues, peripheral neuropathy, (reflex and sensory perception problems with my lower legs and feet), gait issues, etc. In fact, 2 years ago, I was surprised to be diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, by a neurologist who was checking me out for another reason. Since then, though, I've been able to convince another neurologist to "undiagnose" me, because my upper body reflexes are excellent - I can do things that someone with Parkinson's disease would never be able to do, (such as the old trick where you place a coin on the back of your outstretched hand, drop the hand straight down, pull it back, and grab the coin, before it's able to travel more than a few inches).

However neither one of those neurologists would accept my claim that gluten can cause brain/neurological damage. Both of them insisted that it was impossible for gluten to cause brain or neurological damage. :roll: The one who undiagnosed me, couldn't explain my symptoms, but she still denied the existence of gluten-induced neurological damage. :sigh:

You're probably aware of the memory-related difference between Parkinson's and Alzheimer's - when someone with Alzheimer's can't remember something, that memory is gone forever, whereas a person with Parkinson's will eventually remember it, given enough time. My memory glitches fall into the latter category. I've become reluctant to do any public speaking, because of that tendency to occasionally get stuck, and not be able to recall the word that I need. I can describe the meaning of the word, but I can't recall the word, at least, not immediately. It's tough to speak eloquently, when you suddenly can't retrieve from memory, the next word you need, to complete the point that you're trying to make. Of course, maybe it's just old age - I'm a lot older than you. :shrug:

I still think that it's due to gluten-induced damage, however. Time will tell - the jury is still out. I'm hoping that someone besides Dr. Hadjivasilou will eventually see the light, and research into gluten-induced neurolopathy will become a popular-enough topic for the neurology specialists to begin making some real progress in this area, in time to benefit us. (Yes, I realize that's probably just wishful thinking. :lol: )

You're most welcome, of course.

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Tex, I never cease to be amazed at what I learn from reading your posts! Thanks for sharing with all of us and educating us the way you do.

About 1 1/2 years before being diagnosed with MC I learned my vit D levels were extremely low. I think the dr said they were a 7, which was the lowest she had ever seen. She started me on 50,000 mg daily of D (prescription strength) which I took for about 9 mo then when the scrip ran out I began taking 5000 mg daily. When I ran out of that and got a refill I didn't pay close enough attention and only got a 2000 mg bottle, so I've been taking 2 of those a day. But I probably need to get my levels rechecked since the MC, even tho I'm pretty much in remission thanks to GF diet and no NSAIDs.

I love this forum! I learn so much. A side benefit of the MC for sure!
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Katie,

You're probably getting enough vitamin D. At your latitude, you should be getting some benefit from the sun, most of the year. Here in Texas, I take about 4,500 IU during the winter, and 2,500 IU from late spring, through the summer, and into mid-fall, because I get a lot of sun exposure during the warmer months, and especially in the summer. I haven't had my level checked in a while, so I plan to do that in a couple of months.

Thanks for the kind words. I love this forum, too. Everyone here is so nice.

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I have noticed, over the past few years, the inability to recall a certain word. It's frustrating and kind of scary. It doesn't happen regularly but enough to take notice of it. I've chalked it up to getting older (59) but it bothers me.
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I have seen problems with me recently in finding words. I have never had a great vocabulary but I have noticed issues with trying to recall a word or say what I want exactly. I am only 36 but I have been keeping an eye on that as well.
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I am like a machine-gun of word spouting, and this happens to me, too. I also had a totally uncharacteristic arithmetic screw-up... which caught, apologized for, and corrected - by screwing it up in a different way.

I do KenKen puzzles daily (love them - like Sudoku, but fun?)... when I was first sick, I had just started, and figuring out what to add to '4' to get to '7' was like swimming through mud. Even now, some days, I think I can tell how my guts are going to be, based on whether my number-processing is clear or blurry.

This brain-body connection is kind of a misnomer... since the brain *is* a body part. But, for sure, this is powerful stuff - both the pervasive trauma of long years of glutenization, and the potential for recovery.

Oddly, nouns were harder than verbs. A friend's father, post-stroke, was perfectly articulate and chatty - but if you asked him what he'd had for lunch, he'd say... "you know - it swims, in the sea or a lake..." and she'd say "fish?" - and he'd cry, "yes, exactly!" So he hadn't lost the word entirely (nor the nouns for sea/lake??) but it is known to be a specific area of brain damage. Not in the mood for a brain MRI, nor would anyone offer it - but it would be interesting to know. Or maybe scary.

When I ponder how many people this is happening to, unbeknownst to them, I feel extra-helpless. I don't even know if I got my own health back on track in time, and there's a little 7yo buddy of mine, saying to his mother, "I just can't think, Mom" (fingers crossed his Enterolab results come back TOMORROW).

(Tex, I love this forum, too, and thank you so much for having us all in your unique virtual living room of civility, kindness and wisdom.)

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Post by Sharaine »

I went out and spent time at Vitamin Cottage yesterday. I bought Vitamin B-12 w/ Folic Acid by Bluebonnet, B-100 Complex by NOW and Vitamin D-3 5000 IU, also by NOW.

The B-12 by Bluebonnet specifically says "Free of milk, eggs, shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts, wheat and soybeans.

"Also free of yeast, gluten, barley, rice and sodium".

The Vitamin D-3 and B-100 Complex, both by NOW says, "Contains no sugar, salt, starch, yeast, wheat, gluten, soy, milk, egg, shellfish, or preservatives."

I was amazed at the variety of vitamins and pricing. Apparently NOW is also a food manufacturer, so they can offer prices at a lower cost, or so says one of the Vitamin Cottage employees.

Also, FYI, Larabars are on sale for $0.99/each or a box of 16 for $13.99.

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