Morning sickness

moremuscle · Post by **moremuscle** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:47 am

Good Morning everyone,

As I sit here once again I deal with my usual morning problems. I still experience nausea and some gassyness in the morning - it all usually disappears after having bowel movements. I don't always have a bowel movement in the morning but most days I do. I don't always feel the nausea and queesiness but it is more frequent than I like to admit - it is such an uncomfortable feeling even though I know it will go away very fast.

Do you guys deal with similar issues?

I consider myself in remission and symptom free but then again.... normal people don't experience the nausea, do they?

Love,
Karen

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:29 am

It's really funny, Karen. I feel nauseous this AM but it's not the norm, and I don't know what has caused it.

I don't know what might be causing your nausea, but I don't think it's "normal" at all.

I'm sure you will get more feedback about this. Did you have bad nausea at the beginning of the disease? I did. Some don't seem to have nausea at all but it has always been a part of my symptoms.

Shirley

Post by **tex** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:34 am

Hi Karen,

Assumng that you've ruled out the classic reason for morning sickness, it's probably diet-related. No, I don't believe that normal people experience that problem, unless something is out of whack in their bodies.

I seem to recall that you are eating fruit, and possibly drinking fruit juices. I was having problems with slight morning nausea, and some bloating/gas, earlier this week. Since it was after I had resumed drinking Welch's 100% Grape Juice, I cut out the juice, the day before yesterday, and I notice that the nausea is no longer a problem, (it never was serious, in my case), and the bloating is disappearing. I was drinking about half a liter a day, (mixed with half a liter of club soda, ala Polly's recipe).

I'm not sure if this implicates a problem with fructose, or it's a yeast issue.

Love,
Wayne

Mars · Post by **Mars** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:44 am

I too have frequent nausea which disappears after a bowel movement. Actually, the closer I am to running to the bathroom, the worse it becomes, almost to the point of wondering if I need to grab a bucket on the way.

I have always had this, since the beginning of the disease. It seems as if my body is rejecting the pooh. Strange thought process isn't it. But, as soon as the morning run is overwith, I am as *normal* as I'm gonna get.

Also, when I am in a flare that lasts longer than the morning run, the nausea never goes away - maybe I'm allergic!?! (just kidding)

I have questioned the doctor about this, and of course he has no answers either. I ended up asking for a prescription for nausea medicine.

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:48 am

Boy, Mars, you really have it bad. That nauseous feeling is really the pits, especially when it's as bad as you describe.

Shirley

Post by **tex** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:23 am

When a BM relieves nausea, that can be an indication that the enteric nervous system perceives a blockage in the intestines, and, of course, the BM reoves that perception--temporarily at least.

I have experienced the problem during severe reactions, when my duodenum just seemed to shut down, and refused to allow my stomach to empty its contents in a timely manner, thus causing the nausea.

Presumably, this occurs because my intestines become so inflammed and swollen, that they do indeed present a restriction to the normal flow of effluent, and everything backs up, above that point.

IOW, if the stomach can't dump it's contents, on schedule, nausea develops.

Love,
Wayne

Joyce · Post by **Joyce** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:57 pm

Hi,

I get the nausea after I have a bowel movement. And it can last for hours somedays. I asked my doctor about it and he really couldn't give me a valid answer. That doens't suprise me though. He didn't seemed to surprised when I told him. I can understand the nausea before a bowel movement but after????

Karen I don't think "normal" people experience this problem. I've come to deal with I will most likely never be "normal" again. Oh well, who really is normal????

Joyce

Liz · Post by **Liz** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:47 pm

Hello Karen

I get that nausea in the morning as well. Even waking during the night at times. First bowel motion often relieves it a bit. It must have some bearing on the MC I think.

Wayne, when my system closes down like that I put it down to sheer exhaustion of my gut. I think it is just worn out after so many years. GI says I need a gut transplant.

Love

Liz

Post by **tex** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:08 pm

Hi Liz,

Do you get the morning nausea only during MC episodes, or at other times, also?

I try not to think that my gut is worn out, because I'm gonna need it for a few more years.

On my last visit, my GI suggested removing half my colon, but he didn't mention replacing it with anything. LOL. I'm not sure if he wanted to use me as a guinea pig, or was just trying to get rid of me, but if it was the latter, it worked--'cause I haven't been back since.

Love,
Wayne

Liz · Post by **Liz** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:46 pm

Hi Wayne

I get it other times too. I seem to have developed a pattern during the last few months whereby everthing comes to a halt and although I feel the need to go, nothing moves and then the dam breaks. It is as though everything has gone to sleep and is completely inert and then suddenly without any warning springs into life again, often in the middle of the night. And thats where I stay for the rest of the night. Yesterday I was very uncomfortable and then about 2pm away I went. Managed to get home from my daughters place and things seemed to settle. Went to sleep about 10pm and woke at 10.45 and spent the next 4 hours mostly you know where. wears you down after a while. Can handle the daytime but the nights really get to me. So it is both when I am clogged up and just before the D starts that I get the nausea.

My GI made that comment after the last colonoscopy. Said he did not know what to do with me now. I suffer esophageal spasm as well and he said that the uncoordinated spasms seemed to be throughout my whole digestive tract.

I am quite devastated because he has just retired and I have been with him for about 28 years.

Love

Liz

Post by **tex** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:09 pm

Hi Liz,

Hmmmmmm. You sound a lot like me, in many ways. I have slow motility, in that it normally takes much longer for everything to work its way completely through the system. Instead of the normal one and a half to 2 days, it takes me 4 or 5 days, (or longer), as a rule. That's one of the reasons why I have to avoid many types of food, because they will ferment, and make me sick as a dog, (which will shut everything down).

When my system shuts down, the nausea will promptly begin, and usually lasts for one to 3 days, until the D starts. Once the D begins, the nausea disappears.

As long as I strictly watch my diet, though, I don't have any problems. I have just a hint of occasional reflux problems, but nothing serious.

Love,
Wayne

Liz · Post by **Liz** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:06 pm

Hello Wayne

My situation now is entirely different to what was happening before my operation last year. Before that I had constant D, constipation was unknown. One test that I had showd that food took only a few hours. sometimes less to go from A to B. That has all changed now. For several months after the op I had constant D, day & night, then this. It is either a feast or a famine. I think it is a combination of a type of constipation which is common in people who have had a resection and the CC. Really don't know what the answer is and neither do the docs I think.

Love

Liz

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:27 am

Liz,

I remember when you had the surgery, but I can't remember what was done. Will you refresh my memory, if I'm not being too nosy?

Love,

Polly

Post by **tex** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:46 am

Hi Liz,

A small percentage of people who have MC, alternate between C and D. I have never had any surgery, but I am one of those who has alternating C and D. Not being able to tolerate any significant fiber, certainly makes dealing with the C more difficult.

I'm sure your surgery probably had a very significant effect on that issue, also, but maybe the situation will improve, with a change in diet, given a little time for it to work.

Love,
Wayne

moremuscle · Post by **moremuscle** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:54 pm

Liz,

It sounds like you are having a pretty bad time - night time D is such a royal pain in the ass. Completely wipes you out. I used to suffer from lots of nocturnal D with my MC in its active stage; I couldn't control it and often didn't wake up until after the accident. I hate to know that you suffer from this. I would like to see you getting much better control of the MC.

Like Polly I don't remember what was done to you in surgery. Please refresh.

I wrote a message for you in the other thread (shirley's about the doctor's visit) - it is about the paleo diet. So many of us are feeling like different people after adapting the paleo diet - it is like we have been given our life back; if we eat a simple diet like that we are able to be normal people again. I am very happy that you are curious about it. Let us know if we can help you in any way.

Love,
Karen