Thanks for that. I actually did a search on it and found a couple of pages and understand a bit about it now. Have downloaded a heap of info and will go over it to see what I can work out. I will probably give it a try in a modified form as apart from nuts, which are a no no for me, there are quite a few vegs and fruits that are out as well because of their fibre content. I love most fruits and many vegs but at times even a simple salad upsets me. Just have to play it by ear. Will try the links you gave and see what I can come up with. It is really all just trial & error.
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Liz
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Hi Liz,
You are right on the money--it definitely is a matter of trial and error. I find that I can tolerate almost everything on the H-G diet list, and very few things that are not on it. Like you, I can't tolerate fruit, (especially citrus), and very few vegetables. I don't tolerate the nuts very well, either.
I eat a lot of irish potatoes, and occasionally eat a little well-cooked squash or green beans, but that's about it, in the fruit/vegetable department. The rest of my diet is basically meat. The only sweet treats that I can handle, are chocolate chip cookies, made from rice flour.
Virtually all sugar causes problems for me, unless I limit it to very small amounts. The only form of sugar that does not cause problems for me is maple sugar, (maple syrup). Even other natural forms, such as honey and fruit sugar, seem to just sit in my stomach, and cause a burning pain for days.
I hope your trip to Brisbane is/was pleasant.
Love,
Wayne
You are right on the money--it definitely is a matter of trial and error. I find that I can tolerate almost everything on the H-G diet list, and very few things that are not on it. Like you, I can't tolerate fruit, (especially citrus), and very few vegetables. I don't tolerate the nuts very well, either.
I eat a lot of irish potatoes, and occasionally eat a little well-cooked squash or green beans, but that's about it, in the fruit/vegetable department. The rest of my diet is basically meat. The only sweet treats that I can handle, are chocolate chip cookies, made from rice flour.
Virtually all sugar causes problems for me, unless I limit it to very small amounts. The only form of sugar that does not cause problems for me is maple sugar, (maple syrup). Even other natural forms, such as honey and fruit sugar, seem to just sit in my stomach, and cause a burning pain for days.
I hope your trip to Brisbane is/was pleasant.
Love,
Wayne
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Hi Liz,
I see you're looking into the caveman diet. It has been a godsend for me. Actually, I arrived at the diet after much trial and error and have been symptom free for more than 3 years now. I discovered that I can't eat gluten, dairy, yeast, corn, soy, citrus, tomato, chocolate, and carrageenan (a thickener used in lots of products). All of these took time to figure out.....anbd lo and behold, what was left to eat was the pretty much the caveman diet.
Like Matthew, I have learned to eat whole, fresh, simple foods. It does make shopping easier, but I find I have to spend more time in the kitchen, since I can no longer eat any convenience foods. I no longer have any D, joint or muscle aches/pains, fatigue, etc., and am not on any medications.
I stick mostly to the diet but do have some occasional potatoes or rice. I also love maple sugar candy, but I try to limit the amount I eat. Otherwise, no other sugar - I have learned to drink tea and coffee plain.
Like you, ! used to have trouble with the fiber in veggies/fruits, but after a while on this diet, I can now tolerate all of them. I think that once the gut fuuly heals, fiber can be better-tolerated.
Good luck if you decide to pursue this adventure. Please ask any questions you have.....Karen, tex, Matthew, Shirley, Mike (I think), I, and probably others are eating this way.
Love,
Polly
I see you're looking into the caveman diet. It has been a godsend for me. Actually, I arrived at the diet after much trial and error and have been symptom free for more than 3 years now. I discovered that I can't eat gluten, dairy, yeast, corn, soy, citrus, tomato, chocolate, and carrageenan (a thickener used in lots of products). All of these took time to figure out.....anbd lo and behold, what was left to eat was the pretty much the caveman diet.
Like Matthew, I have learned to eat whole, fresh, simple foods. It does make shopping easier, but I find I have to spend more time in the kitchen, since I can no longer eat any convenience foods. I no longer have any D, joint or muscle aches/pains, fatigue, etc., and am not on any medications.
I stick mostly to the diet but do have some occasional potatoes or rice. I also love maple sugar candy, but I try to limit the amount I eat. Otherwise, no other sugar - I have learned to drink tea and coffee plain.
Like you, ! used to have trouble with the fiber in veggies/fruits, but after a while on this diet, I can now tolerate all of them. I think that once the gut fuuly heals, fiber can be better-tolerated.
Good luck if you decide to pursue this adventure. Please ask any questions you have.....Karen, tex, Matthew, Shirley, Mike (I think), I, and probably others are eating this way.
Love,
Polly
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Joanna is also living Paleo style and she has lost a lot of weight on the diet - I think she inspired Shirley to start recently.
I have been on the Paleo Diet since March 2005 - it has been very very good for me. I am in remission w/o any kind of meds - diet only. That is just what I was hoping for when I started looking for answers to the MC problems. I have found so many answers in this diet - it is well worth looking into it. I am intolerant of gluten, dairy, soy, yeast, and corn.
Is it difficult?
I agree with those who have said it is very easy; in fact it is almost too easy - just as long as you keep it very simple you are going to be doing it right. The simpler the better.
What the diet boils down to is eating fresh produce - no processed foods if you can avoid them. The less processed food the better and the closer you are to the paleolithic lifestyle. This is something your gut will respond very favorably to. What is allowed is non-processed meat, fish, fowl, vegetables, fruit, eggs, and nuts. All combinations of the above are OK. Grains and starches are not part of the diet, nor is dairy. This of course means it is ideal for people like us who don't tolerate gluten and casein. Some of us eat potatoes - Wayne for example - some eat rice. Those foods are actually not considered paleo foods since they did not exist until the neolithic era meaning after the development of agriculture. Because of that our genes may not yet have adapted well to those foods.
You mentioned your problems with fiber - fruit and veggies. I don't have any of those problems but I think it may be because my gut has healed fairly well already. Perhaps you will see your body increase it's ability to digest those fiberous (and very healthy/nutritious) type foods after being on the diet for a little while. In the beginning you can try to cook all your veggies/fruit to make it a little easier on your troubled gut.
Refined sugar is not part of the paleo diet. Many starches such as rice and potatos are basically sugar.
I think one of the main reasons people experience weight loss on the paleo diet is due to the reduction in intake of sugars and starches. Those foods increase the levels of insulin in the bloodstream which cause the fat cells to store more fat. When we start the paleo diet the level of insulin goes down resulting in fat being burned as energy instead of being stored for later use. It is a while ago I read about this so I have forgotten most of the factual details of the exact happenings in the body but the book "Protein Power" is a very good source of detailed and accurate information about these processes.
When I started the paleo diet it helped me to think about my food in very old fashioned terms. I pictured eating like my grand mothers had - and preparing my food from scratch with raw materials they could pull in from their little farm. Only, I had to omit bread baking and dairy products; instead I was allowed to eat more meat than they could afford. I eat meat at every meal including breakfast.
This diet is extremely simple and very good for your health. I wish you the best.
Love,
Karen
I have been on the Paleo Diet since March 2005 - it has been very very good for me. I am in remission w/o any kind of meds - diet only. That is just what I was hoping for when I started looking for answers to the MC problems. I have found so many answers in this diet - it is well worth looking into it. I am intolerant of gluten, dairy, soy, yeast, and corn.
Is it difficult?
I agree with those who have said it is very easy; in fact it is almost too easy - just as long as you keep it very simple you are going to be doing it right. The simpler the better.
What the diet boils down to is eating fresh produce - no processed foods if you can avoid them. The less processed food the better and the closer you are to the paleolithic lifestyle. This is something your gut will respond very favorably to. What is allowed is non-processed meat, fish, fowl, vegetables, fruit, eggs, and nuts. All combinations of the above are OK. Grains and starches are not part of the diet, nor is dairy. This of course means it is ideal for people like us who don't tolerate gluten and casein. Some of us eat potatoes - Wayne for example - some eat rice. Those foods are actually not considered paleo foods since they did not exist until the neolithic era meaning after the development of agriculture. Because of that our genes may not yet have adapted well to those foods.
You mentioned your problems with fiber - fruit and veggies. I don't have any of those problems but I think it may be because my gut has healed fairly well already. Perhaps you will see your body increase it's ability to digest those fiberous (and very healthy/nutritious) type foods after being on the diet for a little while. In the beginning you can try to cook all your veggies/fruit to make it a little easier on your troubled gut.
Refined sugar is not part of the paleo diet. Many starches such as rice and potatos are basically sugar.
I think one of the main reasons people experience weight loss on the paleo diet is due to the reduction in intake of sugars and starches. Those foods increase the levels of insulin in the bloodstream which cause the fat cells to store more fat. When we start the paleo diet the level of insulin goes down resulting in fat being burned as energy instead of being stored for later use. It is a while ago I read about this so I have forgotten most of the factual details of the exact happenings in the body but the book "Protein Power" is a very good source of detailed and accurate information about these processes.
When I started the paleo diet it helped me to think about my food in very old fashioned terms. I pictured eating like my grand mothers had - and preparing my food from scratch with raw materials they could pull in from their little farm. Only, I had to omit bread baking and dairy products; instead I was allowed to eat more meat than they could afford. I eat meat at every meal including breakfast.
This diet is extremely simple and very good for your health. I wish you the best.
Love,
Karen
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living w/o gluten, dairy, soy, corn, and yeast.
living w/o gluten, dairy, soy, corn, and yeast.
Oh, how could I have forgotten Joanna! 
Joanna, you may have actually been the first to really tackle the caveman diet along with Karen. And you have had such wonderful results. In addition, you were the inspiration for Shirley to try the diet. I apologize for leaving you out - senility is setting in. LOL! Sigh.
Love,
Polly
Joanna, you may have actually been the first to really tackle the caveman diet along with Karen. And you have had such wonderful results. In addition, you were the inspiration for Shirley to try the diet. I apologize for leaving you out - senility is setting in. LOL! Sigh.
Love,
Polly
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Hi Karen.
I realize that it's very common practice to think of starches as sugars, but in reality, if potatoes are allowed to properly mature, and are properly stored, the sugar content is usually rather low. Potatoes, for example, rarely exceed 3% sugar, on a total drymass basis. In fact, if the sugar content exceeds about 2%, fried products, such as potato chips, will turn brown--just a little bit of 'tater trivia, from a 'tater fan. LOL.
Love,
Wayne
I realize that it's very common practice to think of starches as sugars, but in reality, if potatoes are allowed to properly mature, and are properly stored, the sugar content is usually rather low. Potatoes, for example, rarely exceed 3% sugar, on a total drymass basis. In fact, if the sugar content exceeds about 2%, fried products, such as potato chips, will turn brown--just a little bit of 'tater trivia, from a 'tater fan. LOL.
Love,
Wayne
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Thank you everybody
I am looking at the diet and working out what I can have that is on it. The nuts and seeds are out. Can't have celery, spinach,swiss card or silverbeet. Dairy products being off may be a bit of a problem because my doc advised me to have, milk, cheese, yoghurt. The milk I have been having is low fat Physical which is fortified with extra calcium. I am borderline with osteoporosis because of Prednisone. Also take calcium tablets. Have to have a talk to her. The colo/rectal surgeon who I am seeing put me on a low resisue diet which does not allow most of the things that are on the no no list for HG diet. Except for the dairy and grain products.
I have been allowed:-
white bread, rice etc.,
apples, pears, honeydew melon, pineapple (which surprised me) watermelon, grapes (no skin or pips) strained fruit juice.
Asparagus tips,cauliflower tips, potatoes, pumpkin,carrots & cucumber & tomatoes without skin or pips. No other vegs.
All meat fish, chicken eggs.
Milk, cheese, plain yoghurt.
Was a bit silly and had some salad (lettuce, tomato, grated carrot, onion, celery) and one solitary olive at my daughters place Saturday and paid the price on Saturday night, all day Sunday & part of Sunday night.
I was able to go down to Brisbane for my meeting today Wayne. It is an hour long train trip so had to make sure I was OK.
You can be sure that I will ask for advice and take advantage of your experiences with the diet.
Keep you posted
Love
Liz
I am looking at the diet and working out what I can have that is on it. The nuts and seeds are out. Can't have celery, spinach,swiss card or silverbeet. Dairy products being off may be a bit of a problem because my doc advised me to have, milk, cheese, yoghurt. The milk I have been having is low fat Physical which is fortified with extra calcium. I am borderline with osteoporosis because of Prednisone. Also take calcium tablets. Have to have a talk to her. The colo/rectal surgeon who I am seeing put me on a low resisue diet which does not allow most of the things that are on the no no list for HG diet. Except for the dairy and grain products.
I have been allowed:-
white bread, rice etc.,
apples, pears, honeydew melon, pineapple (which surprised me) watermelon, grapes (no skin or pips) strained fruit juice.
Asparagus tips,cauliflower tips, potatoes, pumpkin,carrots & cucumber & tomatoes without skin or pips. No other vegs.
All meat fish, chicken eggs.
Milk, cheese, plain yoghurt.
Was a bit silly and had some salad (lettuce, tomato, grated carrot, onion, celery) and one solitary olive at my daughters place Saturday and paid the price on Saturday night, all day Sunday & part of Sunday night.
I was able to go down to Brisbane for my meeting today Wayne. It is an hour long train trip so had to make sure I was OK.
You can be sure that I will ask for advice and take advantage of your experiences with the diet.
Keep you posted
Love
Liz
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Thanks for the link Shirley. Very interesting. Other subjects that I found interesting there were the ones on high Cholesterol and the drugs used to treat it. I am taking Zocor at the moment. Sometimes I just want to throw all drugs away and see how I go. Most of the stuff I have bee prescribed for Cholesterol and blood pressure are not because they are extremely high, which they sometimes are, but because of family history. A very bad one with most of my family, Mother, all three brothers and one of my sisters having heart broblems.
Mathew I am going to give the diet a try but will have to modify it somewhat. A lot of the foods that are permitted I can not have. In fact my diet apart from grain products was very similar until many of the fruit and vegs I was having became a problem. Just have to work out what suits me.
Love
Liz
Mathew I am going to give the diet a try but will have to modify it somewhat. A lot of the foods that are permitted I can not have. In fact my diet apart from grain products was very similar until many of the fruit and vegs I was having became a problem. Just have to work out what suits me.
Love
Liz
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Liz,
One of my goals is to get off all (or at least most) of my prescription meds. I definitely did NOT want to to go on Zocor or any drug of that type. I did/am taking Zetia which blocks cholesterol from being absorbed from the intestinal tract. It does nothing to the liver, though, as far as I know. Between the diet and the drug, I believe that is why mine dropped about 100 points in 4 months. Also, the ratio of HDL to LDL improved. I hope the diet improves things a lot for you also. I think you deserve some relief.
Love, Shirley
One of my goals is to get off all (or at least most) of my prescription meds. I definitely did NOT want to to go on Zocor or any drug of that type. I did/am taking Zetia which blocks cholesterol from being absorbed from the intestinal tract. It does nothing to the liver, though, as far as I know. Between the diet and the drug, I believe that is why mine dropped about 100 points in 4 months. Also, the ratio of HDL to LDL improved. I hope the diet improves things a lot for you also. I think you deserve some relief.
Love, Shirley
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Hi Liz,
Here is a link that explains Zetia
http://www.zetia.com/ezetimibe/zetia/consumer/index.jsp
I had never heard of it before my doctor prescribed it. It's often used along with one of the statin drugs but I have be taking it alone. I'm plan to stay off the statin drugs (lipitor, zocor, etc.).
If your cholesterol is high due to the liver producing too much cholesterol, I doubt the Zetia would help a lot, but I don't know for sure.
Hope the link helps.
Love, Shirley
Here is a link that explains Zetia
http://www.zetia.com/ezetimibe/zetia/consumer/index.jsp
I had never heard of it before my doctor prescribed it. It's often used along with one of the statin drugs but I have be taking it alone. I'm plan to stay off the statin drugs (lipitor, zocor, etc.).
If your cholesterol is high due to the liver producing too much cholesterol, I doubt the Zetia would help a lot, but I don't know for sure.
Hope the link helps.
Love, Shirley
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber"
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I found this site. Very interesting. Don't know if you have seen it but thought it would be of interest. Some tasty sounding recipes, maybe not sticking strictly to the Paleo regime but interesting in any case.
http://www.paleofood.com/
Love
Liz
http://www.paleofood.com/
Love
Liz
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