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Has anyone we know, actually ever done a serious trial of the three-day rotation diet? I seem to be a good candidate for that, since there are a lot of things that I can eat, if I don't eat them frequently. Therefore, I believe that I'll just volunteer to check this out, and see how long I can last. LOL The information might come in handy, some day, when I don't have anything left to choose from, to eat.

I've started making a chart, showing certain selections of that type, on certain days of the week. I'll start with the less risky items, such as bananas, eggs, grape juice, and beef, and eat them on a 3 or 4 day interval. Then I'll start adding things like corn, and dairy products, probably cheese at first. I may pick up some Breyer's ice cream, so that I can test out the casein, independently of the lactose, and the corn syrup. Of course, the cheese will also do that, but hey, I'm looking for varioety here. My diet is boooorrrrrriiiiiiinnnnnng.

It will probably be a little tedious getting started, but once I get rolling, it should be pretty easy to follow the schedule.

I don't intend to test evrything, though. Like lettuce, for example--I tried a little of that, about 2 weeks before my meltdown last week, and just never seemed to be able to get out from under it's cloud. I still feel that it was responsible for my final demise--it triggered an on-going low-grade reaction, that just went on and on, but I'm unsure if something else was involved.

Gluten is another item. Does this theory work for Gluten? If not , why not? What's so special about gluten? I'm too chicken to try it, but in theory, why wouldn't the rotation diet work for gluten also? It's just another hyperactive immune response. Isn't it?

I have a dumb question here: What would be wrong with eating puiffed rice, with conconut milk, to avoid dairy products, soy, etc., for an alternate breakfast selection? I know, I know, it's a little rich, but asside from that, what would be wrong with it? LOL.

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I do the best I can to rotate things I know I can eat safely on a three day schedule. The idea came up here some time ago and I started it in hopes that it would discourage my immune system from recognizing foods I could eat every day as something to react to.

I must say that my method is very unscientific in that I have never kept a log, journal or chart of it since my early attempts at that proved to be of little help. More just a sense of if I eat Pork for protein one day I do my best not to eat it the next day. I basically rotate between Pork, Chicken, and fresh Fish on a three day schedule and occasionally mix it up with some Beef. Same thing with vegetables. I could easily eat green beans every day and would hate to find that I started to react to them because I did so.

This does not always work out to well and I tend to give myself some leeway in that I only have just so my much time to run out for food. At this point I have no evidence that it has done any good but it does prevent food boredom and is an interesting way to remain attentive to what I eat.

I admire such an advetursome idea as you have brought up but can’t think of anything to experiment with in that grains, soy, dairy products, refined sugar, citrus fruits,oils and night shades all produce bad reactions in about twenty four hours.

Keep us posted if you try it.

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Hi Wayne,

Sounds like a great idea to me! I first read about the rotation diet in a very good book called "The Allergy Self-Help Cookbook" by Marjorie Hurtt Jones, RN. I'm sure there are whole books dedicated to the subject, too. You might try amazon.com.

I think the rotation would work best for those proteins that do not give you the most major reactions. I would not want to add gluten back into my diet, mainly because the jury is still out as to whether prolonged exposure to gluten in MCers can lead to small bowel lymphoma. And you DO know that you have a documented gluten intolerance.

Good luck! :thumbsup: I'll be following your progress with great interest!

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Hi Matthew,

Thanks for the response. I agree, a prompt reaction, (less than 24 hours), preempts the possibility of a rotation such as I'm doing, from working. In fact, I do react in less than 24 hours, BUT, only after the 2nd or 3rd exposure to a food item, in as many days. That's why I consider myself an ideal candidate for this trial.

This morning, for example, I'm having Van's Blueberry Waffles, with pure maple syrup. That will be my sole source of rice, soy, and sugar, for at least 3 days. It tasted great - we'll see how it goes.

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Pardon my ignorance, but if that is your sole source of rice, soy and sugar, how will you know which one you had a reaction to, if you do? I guess maybe I don't understand the rotation diet?!

Good luck Wayne, I know this must be so nerve-racking to wonder if or when you will react to something you've eaten. Don't you just hate that! We sure don't want you down, sick in bed again, especially since you are just now getting your strength back!

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Morning Pollly,

I agree with the conventional wisdon about the long-term effects of gluten. The only reason I brought it up, was predicated on the basic reason for avoiding gluten in the first place, namely the cumulative damage to the small intestine.

I'm suggesting that there may be a possibility that such damage might never occur, if autoimmune responses are suppressed by a rotation diet. IOW, if gluten is never ingested more often than once every 3 or 4 days, will there ever be a buildup of antibodies sufficient to trigger any damage?

Dr. Fasano is working to develop a "pill", which will prevent Leaky Gut Syndrome, (LGS), and supposedly, thereby, allow celiacs, (and us), to ingest gluten, without fear of symptoms. (And presumably, therefore, without fear of dire, long-term consequences). In a perfect world, that pill would be 100% effective. You and I both know, however, that it's not a perfect world, and some degree of "slippage" of long-chain polymers will occur, through the intestinal wall, into the bloodstream, no matter how effective the pill turns out to be. Chances are, though, that since the human body is a resilient, and adaptave organism, we will do just fine, with a less-than-perfect pill response.

That's why I believe there's a possibility that rotated gluten ingestion might be tolerable. Note that, from an immune response viewpoint, this is entirely different from ingesting a small amount of gluten every day, which would almost certainly guarantee damage and associated risk of dire consequences, due to the huge buildup of antibodies. Also, I realize that it's certainly possible, that this line of reasoning might not work for certain extremely sensitive individuals.

I'm just thinking out loud here. I might be all wet, but I think it has a basis in logic. The more I think about it, the more it intrigues me.

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Good Morning Mars,

Theoretically, it won't matter, because if the diet works as claimed, then I won't have any reacions, as long as I do it correctly. If I do have a reaction, it still won't matter which item caused it, because I already know that I can't eat any of these items on a continual, (daily), basis, without running into trouble.

IOW, I already know that I'm intolerant to this stuff. Im just trying to find a way to eat them anyway, on a limited, or scheduled, basis.

I appreciate your concern. Believe me, I don't want to be back, sick in bed again, either, but if this rotation works, it will allow some of us to do what is now virtually impossible, (namely, still occasionally enjoy some of our forbidden foods, without fear of reprisal by our digestive systems). I'm curious enough to stick my neck out. (I know, I know--those are famous last words). LOL.

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Thanks for the explanation Wayne. I understand now - goofy me.

Good luck, I am anxious to see how you do!

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I forgot that I hadn't had that much sugar at one meal, in a long, long time. About 15 minutes after eating the waffles, when all the maple sugar hit my bloodstream, I thought I was having the beginnings of an MC reaction. LOL. My poor gut wasn't sure what had hit it. After about an hour, though, things started settling down again, and I was soon back to normal, and feeling great. Sugar is pretty potent, in megadoses, when you're not used to it.

I think I'll try some 100% fruit spread, the next time the waffles come up on the schedule.

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P S I feel as though I'm just beginning an adventure that may turn out to be a real eye-opener. It's awsome to eat this stuff, and not feel like I'm my own worst enemy, and just setting myself up for a disaster. (It may turn out to be a disaster, of course, but at least it doesn't feel that way, so far).
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Hey Man :wink:

I am speechless :razz:
You much be out of your mind boooooorrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeedDDD in order to pursue this risky food adventure; I understand that you are bored with your diet, I do, I do.

What was in the Van's waffles that you have tested positive for? I guess the sugar is the main bad part for you since you actually didn't test positive for soy intolerance - no dairy in Van's Waffles, right?

I don't know about this experiment - perhaps you just feel like being sick again?! It makes me sick to think about eating dairy and or other items that I react to - but if it doesn't bother you to think about it then perhaps you should do it in the name of variety. I don't have a good feeling about this experiment. But my gut may be a different type than yours - I tend to get almost immediate gurgling and noise from my gut when/if I ingest anything that is a trigger food. OK, you are a grown man and you can judge what's right and wrong for you.

I don't see anything wrong with trying the puffed rice with coconut milk if you like it. You don't need to worry about your intake of a little extra fat from coconut milk; as far as I can tell from your pictures you are not having any problems with your weight - your body is capable of using the fat for fuel. According to what I have read there are many health benefits from eating coconut; this is my justification for eating Jennies coconut maccaroons.

Good luck with your new food adventure - please report back your findings.

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Hi Karen,

There are several items that I have tested negative to, but which bother me if I eat them regularly, such as eggs and yeast. Actually, I'm guesing about the yeast, because its Polly's formulation of 100% grape juice and club soda, that I am basing this on. If I drink it regularly, I get sick. So far, drinking it only on every third day, I've had no problems.

You are correct about the Van's waffles. Soy and rice are the only suspicious ingredients. I've tested negative to soy, and don't eat it normally, anyway, so I don't really know if it would bother me if I ate it regularly. If I eat rice regularly, it does seem to bother me, but it doesn't necessarily make me sick, in and of itself. I just start feeling cruddy, and slightly bloated, and sooner or later, something comes along and knocks me off my perch, and I have a reaction. The megadose of sugar was the biggest challenge for me, I think. The last time I ate Van's and any sweet topping, I got sick as a dog, but that was probably because I ate them twice within 3 days.

I'm finding this adventure to be almost as exhilarating as climbing a moutain, but in a different way, of course.

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Wayne
Your “experiment” came up in my thinking several times today and I had decided to post again and found Karens posts that has already voiced my sentiments. As I said before I react to my own known list of troublesome foods within twenty four hours so don’t dare mess with the list to much.

I am very interested in your experiment in that I have always questioned in my own circumstance if accidentally eating a small amount of a reactive food even if I have no apparent gross reaction may actually be another stimulus to the immune system? I ask this in that before I had reached my somewhat stable condition if I consumed some processed food that I thought was safe and had a reaction that I only discovered the reason for later it would send me into a situation where I reacted to almost everything that I would have to climb out of again. And until I got it, some times again.

Having read early on about your reaction to soy as in the waffles I wonder if eating it even on a three day basis might just be keeping your immune system very interested and attentive for misinterpreted invaders setting you up for a a major reaction Or on the other hand if the frequent exercise of the immune system by eating things that only bother you if eaten frequently might actually help strengthen it to the point where the reactions are less

Oh Well. Maybe I am just one of those gremlins on the side of the road trying to lead you off track.

Looking forward to the next installment

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Hi Matthew,

Naw, you're definitely not a gremlin trying to throw me off track. In many ways, we're thinking along the same channels.

One of my reasons for doing this, was to investigate that overly-sensitive "thereshold effect" that you referred to--that condition where the slightest slip, will bring on a prompt, severe reaction.

I've noticed that sometimes I have that same prompt effect, and I react within a few hours of eating something. On other occasions, I don't react at all, until I eat the offending item a second, or even a third time, within as many days.

I'm beginning to suspect that the bottom line is that if I'm "clean", I can tolerate a minor slip with some of these minor intolearances, and escape a reaction, so long as I don't eat it again, soon. On the other hand, If I'm already "set up", (sensitized), either by eating the item a day or so previously, or maybe by accidentally eating trace amounts of some other item, or possibly, by some other effect, such as a virus, or maybe a classic allergic reaction to molds, mildew, cedar, etc., then I'm much more vulnerable to an MC type reaction. The thing is, we really don't know what it is that might be making us so sensitive at times.

To be honest, I was concerned that by eating one of my intolerances, it would magnify my sensitivity, so that if I tried a different one the next day, I would probably react. I kind of assumed that I would almost certainly react, if I did the same thing with yet another different intolerance, on the third day.

So far, I'm gratified to say that I haven't noticed any such effect. Each type of food intolerance, (each food type, or group), seems to act independently, and an escalation of antibody production doesn't seem to be occurring. (If it is, I seem to be unable to detect it, at any rate). To be honest, I'm kind of puzzled why that isn't happening, but I'm glad to see that it isn't.

Tomorrow I'll be starting on my second week.

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Wow Wayne,

I don't know what to say! You are one brave soul. I think you may be successful at this because you take longer to react to foods than some of the rest of us. I hope you do well!!!

I'm wondering, did you react quicker to intolerances when you first discovered them? If so, it could be that you are farther along than I am.

Sorry I've been MIA. I haven't been feeling well at all, but not bed ridden. Every day this week I've started seeing floaties around noon, followed by a headache and nausea, and then D in the evening. Can't quite figure out what is going on, but hoping our seasonal theory explains it. It doesn't feel like a food reaction.

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Morning, Jean,

I'm sorry to see that you're having those symptoms. I wonder if it could be a virus. There are a lot of sick folks showing up in my part of the world, recently, although most of them just have a cold, lately. A few weeks ago, there was a GI virus or two going around.

That sounds almost as if it could be some form of migraine.

As best I can tell, I've always been a slow reactor, except for dairy. Anything with lactose would sometimes cause a reaction within a few hours to a half a day, though it sometimes would take longer. Caesein has always seemed to affect me like most of my other intolerances, and takes at least a day and a half, or more, to initiate a reaction.

I hope that you can get rid of whatever is bothering you, soon.

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