Update on Meds and a Question

Joefnh · Post by **Joefnh** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:45 am

I know I should probably know this but as they are both starches and one is a grain and one is not, why would one be better??

Rice has no gluten...

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:55 am

Well, I see sweet potatoes as more of a vegetable than a starch, not sure why. At least they are not nightshades like white potatoes?

The article said to avoid:
Bread
Potatoes
Chips
Rice
Spaghetti
Cereals
Cakes
Biscuits

But it encouraged more beans, which are starchy...

Post by **tex** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:33 pm

joe wrote:I know I should probably know this but as they are both starches and one is a grain and one is not, why would one be better??

Rice has no gluten...

Actually, rice does have gluten, but sweet potato does not. As with all grains, the gluten in rice, is also found in the storage proteins, the primary one being the prolamin, orzenin, while the glutelin in rice is known as orcenin. These correspond to the prolamins known as gliadins, and the glutelins known as glutenin, in wheat. An extremely low percentage of people ever develop a sensitivity to the storage proteins in rice, however.

As far as I am aware, only grains contain storage proteins (prolamins and glutelins). That's why fruits and vegetables can be irritants, because of fiber and various sugars and sugar alcohols, but they do not trigger autoimmune issues; therefore they do not trigger inflammation through an autoimmune-based process, (though they can trigger inflammation due to fermentation and associated infections). This is another reason why grains are unique, and (IMO) hold the key to the development of cancer (as Zizzle and I were discussing yesterday).

While the starch in sweet potatoes, Irish potatoes, etc. may theoretically pose a problem because of a high glycemic rating, this is a totally different issue from the inflammatory process caused by grains.

Tex

Joefnh · Post by **Joefnh** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:48 pm

Thanks Tex...just when I thought I had it all figured out LOL. Your book is next Tex. I have read the first chapter but was finishing the book Polly recommended when yours came out, it looks great Tex.

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:59 pm

Joe,
Did you see this post today about a member discovering she had Klebsiella and getting relief? I had the Genova Labs complete stool analysis too. No parasites in my case.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16829

hoosier1 · Post by **hoosier1** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:39 am

Hi Joe,

What were/are your AS symptoms?

Rich

Joefnh · Post by **Joefnh** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:42 pm

Hi Rich it's good to hear from you. The main symptoms of AS are pain and stiffness with reduced range of motion. Unlike back pain due to 'mechanical' issues, AS is more painful after a period of rest like first thing in the morning or after sitting for a long time, where the opposite is true with things like a slipped disc or arthritis, with those rest is helpful, being up and about hurts more.

With AS there is inflammation usually in the lower spine and pelvis first, this chronic pattern of inflammation over time results in the lower backs muscles and tendons starting to calcify which can get quite painful. Additionally if untreated the inflation will allow for bone growth along the spinal column fusing the spine together.

The treatments are things like Humira or prednisone to halt the progression of the calcification and fusion.

hoosier1 · Post by **hoosier1** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:20 pm

Hi Joe,

Good to hear from you too. So do they observe this inflamation via X-ray or CT?

I am asking because my scans always show a broad inflamation in and around my pelvic region and lower spine. No one has ever mentioned AS per say.

Rich

Stanz · Post by **Stanz** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:57 am

Hi Joe,

Boy, you just really can't catch a break it seems, I'm sorry you now have this to worry about. I was tested for the HLA-B27 gene years ago and was negative. I believe there is a link to that gene and Salmonella poisoning kicking off "arthritis" types of auto-immune diseases. I think that's why I asked to be tested at the time, because I'd had Salmonella.

I read the link that gluten posted and really had to laugh at the constant reference to the "Low Starch Diet". They went to a lot of effort to not refer to it as a GF diet, didn't they?

Connie

Joefnh · Post by **Joefnh** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:56 pm

Rich the inflammation can typically be seen first on a MRI or CT but as it gets worse it will show up on an X-ray, I believe the MRI is considered the best tool for diagnosing AS. It seems AS initially presents in the pelvis, especially with the sacroiliac joints and then progresses up the spine. Have you been tested for the HLAB27 gene?

Hi there Connie, it's great to hear from you and am glad your doing OK. I noticed the same issue in that article in avoiding the word gluten. Overall I will have to admit I'm getting a bit tired of all of this, but from what I understand this is more common than one would think. It seems that if you are HLAB27 positive, that you can develop more than one autoimmune condition and with Crohns it can be common to have the issues with uveitis and other autoimmune conditions like AS.

Overall it looks like should be able to treat the Crohns and AS with just the Humira.

Stanz · Post by **Stanz** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:58 pm

I truly hope you've found your answer, Joe, Lord knows you've been through enough already. Look forward to hearing good news.