The big reveal! Photos of my lame-o itchy rash
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Dear Zizzle,
That rash must be trying and draining on your mental and emotional strength. I hope that you get some relief soon. Like Sheila, my mother went through something similar and she never did find out what caused it. She went through many creams until it finally subsided but my poor mum spent many sleepless nights up itching.
My heart goes out to you.
Cory
That rash must be trying and draining on your mental and emotional strength. I hope that you get some relief soon. Like Sheila, my mother went through something similar and she never did find out what caused it. She went through many creams until it finally subsided but my poor mum spent many sleepless nights up itching.
My heart goes out to you.
Cory
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Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis Sept. 2010
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The derm appointment went better than expected, but not great. I decided to lower my expectations and like the guy if I at least learn something new at the appointment. His demeanor was interested and kind, and he didn't rush more than I anticipated. I moved fast to be a help, tossing off the gigantic gown so he could appreciate the entirely of the situation right away, which BTW, is now worse than the pictures I posted. I could pass for a zombie in The Walking Dead soon.
He confirmed I definitely have an unmistakable case of Dermatomyositis, likely "sin myositis" since I have no muscle pain or weakness, but that's up to the rheumy to confirm. When I asked about mast cells and cutaneous mastocytosis, he schooled me. Apparently he did his residency in Chicago with a national expert on mast cell diseases. He has seen it, and says the biopsy would have also picked it up. He said my biopsy result of "vacuolar interface dermatitis" is very specific to DM and a few other rare events (drug eruptions, etc), not mast cell issues. He did admit that given my exercise-induced mini-hives, I could have both issues at the same time, but he said mast cells are not the cause of my DM, "it's mostly my genetics" (hmm, not sure I buy that one).
When I asked about systemic nickel allergy, he had no idea, but again said my rash is not one of contact dermatitis. And that requires a visit to a contact dermatitis specialist for testing. Imagine, a separate speciality within dermatology?!?
I still plan to eliminate chocolate, most whole grains, peanuts, most other nuts, most legumes, canned foods, and a few high-nickle vegetables and fruits, trying to maintain a low daily intake. I may pursue additional testing related to metal toxicity, but who knows.
He recommended I start Plaquenil first, then Prednisone, but he knew I was resistant to meds. I explained I was seeing a Chinese medicine doc and an integrative medicine doc and had some differing opinions on approach. I'd read that many people get limited results on Plaquenil and lose their hair in the process, so given my misery, I might head straight for prednisone first. My Chinese doc suggested no more than 20 mg/day. He wanted to prescribe the standard nuclear dose of 60 mgs. He only has 2 other patients with DM, so he's no expert. In fact, he had to leave the room to get answers to my questions!! We agreed to disagree, I promised not to hold him responsible if I don't get good results, and he wrote me the script for 20 mg/day for 30 days. He says he won't let me stay on pred for more than 60 days max, so I will have to taper to methotrexate or plaquenil. I told him I planned to have an alternative approach by then. We'll he who's right.
I give the guy credit for putting up with me. He could have easily fired me as a patient for non-compliance, so I think I'll keep him around a bit. Plus he's around my age and easy on the eyes... With any luck, me and my crazy diet and practitioners he knows nothing about will teach him something that may help someone else.
One thing I did learn.......Gloria, are you reading this?............I explained my MC symptoms seemed to miraculously disappear on Claritin, but it didn't help the rash. He was intrigued, but went on to warn me that Claritin is not the safest antihistamine because "it builds up in the cells." "That's why you can only take it once a day." He said Allegra and Zyrtec are much safer, and you can take as many as you need. He has some urticaria patients who take up to 6 Zyrtec a day!! He said not all people get the drowsiness effect, but since I do, Allegra would be his recommendation.
So I cried on and off for the rest of the day, realizing this diagnosis is really REAL now. Then I called and made an appointment with my rheumatologist to debate the meds again tomorrow and ask for some baseline bloodwork, and some missing DM-related antibody tests. I hope he's as understanding as the derm!
The next line of research? Antibiotic therapy for rheumatic diseases...i.e. the Dr. Brown protocol. The Roadback Foundation. Maybe I'll go from steroids to antibiotics? Who knows. The wacky journey continues...
He confirmed I definitely have an unmistakable case of Dermatomyositis, likely "sin myositis" since I have no muscle pain or weakness, but that's up to the rheumy to confirm. When I asked about mast cells and cutaneous mastocytosis, he schooled me. Apparently he did his residency in Chicago with a national expert on mast cell diseases. He has seen it, and says the biopsy would have also picked it up. He said my biopsy result of "vacuolar interface dermatitis" is very specific to DM and a few other rare events (drug eruptions, etc), not mast cell issues. He did admit that given my exercise-induced mini-hives, I could have both issues at the same time, but he said mast cells are not the cause of my DM, "it's mostly my genetics" (hmm, not sure I buy that one).
When I asked about systemic nickel allergy, he had no idea, but again said my rash is not one of contact dermatitis. And that requires a visit to a contact dermatitis specialist for testing. Imagine, a separate speciality within dermatology?!?
I still plan to eliminate chocolate, most whole grains, peanuts, most other nuts, most legumes, canned foods, and a few high-nickle vegetables and fruits, trying to maintain a low daily intake. I may pursue additional testing related to metal toxicity, but who knows.
He recommended I start Plaquenil first, then Prednisone, but he knew I was resistant to meds. I explained I was seeing a Chinese medicine doc and an integrative medicine doc and had some differing opinions on approach. I'd read that many people get limited results on Plaquenil and lose their hair in the process, so given my misery, I might head straight for prednisone first. My Chinese doc suggested no more than 20 mg/day. He wanted to prescribe the standard nuclear dose of 60 mgs. He only has 2 other patients with DM, so he's no expert. In fact, he had to leave the room to get answers to my questions!! We agreed to disagree, I promised not to hold him responsible if I don't get good results, and he wrote me the script for 20 mg/day for 30 days. He says he won't let me stay on pred for more than 60 days max, so I will have to taper to methotrexate or plaquenil. I told him I planned to have an alternative approach by then. We'll he who's right.
I give the guy credit for putting up with me. He could have easily fired me as a patient for non-compliance, so I think I'll keep him around a bit. Plus he's around my age and easy on the eyes... With any luck, me and my crazy diet and practitioners he knows nothing about will teach him something that may help someone else.
One thing I did learn.......Gloria, are you reading this?............I explained my MC symptoms seemed to miraculously disappear on Claritin, but it didn't help the rash. He was intrigued, but went on to warn me that Claritin is not the safest antihistamine because "it builds up in the cells." "That's why you can only take it once a day." He said Allegra and Zyrtec are much safer, and you can take as many as you need. He has some urticaria patients who take up to 6 Zyrtec a day!! He said not all people get the drowsiness effect, but since I do, Allegra would be his recommendation.
So I cried on and off for the rest of the day, realizing this diagnosis is really REAL now. Then I called and made an appointment with my rheumatologist to debate the meds again tomorrow and ask for some baseline bloodwork, and some missing DM-related antibody tests. I hope he's as understanding as the derm!
The next line of research? Antibiotic therapy for rheumatic diseases...i.e. the Dr. Brown protocol. The Roadback Foundation. Maybe I'll go from steroids to antibiotics? Who knows. The wacky journey continues...
Hmmm...
The Infectious Theory for Rheumatic Disease
http://www.roadback.org/index.cfm/fusea ... d/175.html
And here's an amazing testimonial from a DM patient who also had her first flare after a pregnancy. I wonder if there is a relationship to an infection acquired during the immune-suppressed pregnancy??
http://www.roadback.org/index.cfm/fusea ... d/343.html
The Infectious Theory for Rheumatic Disease
http://www.roadback.org/index.cfm/fusea ... d/175.html
I wonder if my rheumy is in this 50%??When Dr. Brown died in 1989, the number of doctors who offered antibiotic therapy for connective tissue diseases could be counted on one hand. Today they are numbered in the thousands. Just three years ago, only 14% of America's rheumatologists gave this treatment for rheumatoid arthritis. Although any medical specialty is often the most threatened and the least accepting of innovations in their market area, and there is still highly vocal resistance to change, today antibiotic therapy is prescribed by approximately half of all rheumatologists and the percentage is rising steadily.
And here's an amazing testimonial from a DM patient who also had her first flare after a pregnancy. I wonder if there is a relationship to an infection acquired during the immune-suppressed pregnancy??
http://www.roadback.org/index.cfm/fusea ... d/343.html
If you have a sensitivity to nickel in the diet, contact exposure (to the skin) is irrelevant. All in all, though, a very good appointment, IMO.Zizzle wrote:When I asked about systemic nickel allergy, he had no idea, but again said my rash is not one of contact dermatitis.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Zizzle, I still have nothing to offer except my sympathy and hope that you find something to ease your misery. You have a wonderful upbeat attitude and are so fortunate that your DH is supportive. Persistence and an open mind are on your side.
Your rash is so similar to the one my mother had a few times and I wonder why her rash seemed to spontaneously disappear. She did receive some primarily palliative medication for the rash but I don't think she was put on prednisone. She was already taking pred for PMR, another auto-immune disorder that plagued her off and on for years. (BTW, she never stopped eating gluten.)
Wishing you excellent doctors and relief from the awful itch and rash.
Sheila W
Your rash is so similar to the one my mother had a few times and I wonder why her rash seemed to spontaneously disappear. She did receive some primarily palliative medication for the rash but I don't think she was put on prednisone. She was already taking pred for PMR, another auto-immune disorder that plagued her off and on for years. (BTW, she never stopped eating gluten.)
Wishing you excellent doctors and relief from the awful itch and rash.
Sheila W
To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did.
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
It's OFFICIAL.
I have a raging case of Dermatomyositis without clinical evidence of muscle involvement. My skin is a mess and it hurts to sit, bend and lay down now. My rheumy was very pleasant and attentive. Even handed me a tissue and said "I know" very empathetically when I broke down crying. He knew how much research I'd done, but felt we should take this incrementally (no talk of muscle biopsies yet). He said I need to do prednisone first, with plaquenil, then taper down until I'm only on plaquenil. I said I react badly to most meds, so I'd rather start with pred alone to see how I react. He agreed, so we'll add plaquenil as I start to taper down in a month. He wanted to start at 60 mgs, I wanted 20, so we split the difference, and he prescribed 40 (but in 10 mg increments, so it's really up to me). I go back in 2 weeks, and in the meantime I need a baseline eye exam by an opthamologist (risk of retinal detachment on plaquenil), and a mega CT scan of my entire chest and abdomen...for cancer. I have a 20% chance of having an underlying malignancy. I also need to ask my OB/GYN for an order for my first mammogram (at age 38), another jolt of radiation. If I didn't have cancer before....maybe I'll get one now!
He took lots of blood (don't know what some of these are):
SED rate
CRP
CMP
CPK & aldolase (muscle enzymes)
Protein electrophoresis
Analyser panel (some autoimmune marker test)
ANA
Anticardiolipin ABS
Lupus Anticoagulant
AntiBeta2Glycan
Myositis Antibody Panel
Vit D-25 Hydroxy
Hemogram with Differential
The only good news from my last bloodwork is that I don't have the Jo-1 antibody, which means a better prognosis with respect to interstitial lung disease. With it, it's almost a guarantee. Phew!
I've been crying on and off since yesterday. I cried through the entire blood draw and walking down the street. Don't know why I'm such a mess about it...I knew what it was going to be. But I feel like I've failed. All my efforts to battle autoimmunity led to the same outcome in the end...steroids and antimalarials. Some people get cured on a gluten free diet. I got sicker. I'm pissed off at the world. Pissed off at "modern" medicine with it's archaic band-aid treatments.
I'll start pred tomorrow, and with my limited diet, what the hell will I eat when I'm starving all the time?!?!?
I'm so sick and tired of this stupid journey I'm on. I just want to give up. I know I should try and be optimistic, try and blaze new trails, question authority, look for root causes. But I'm hopeless at the moment. Will try to snap out of it. I hate my stupid, failing, itchy body.
I have a raging case of Dermatomyositis without clinical evidence of muscle involvement. My skin is a mess and it hurts to sit, bend and lay down now. My rheumy was very pleasant and attentive. Even handed me a tissue and said "I know" very empathetically when I broke down crying. He knew how much research I'd done, but felt we should take this incrementally (no talk of muscle biopsies yet). He said I need to do prednisone first, with plaquenil, then taper down until I'm only on plaquenil. I said I react badly to most meds, so I'd rather start with pred alone to see how I react. He agreed, so we'll add plaquenil as I start to taper down in a month. He wanted to start at 60 mgs, I wanted 20, so we split the difference, and he prescribed 40 (but in 10 mg increments, so it's really up to me). I go back in 2 weeks, and in the meantime I need a baseline eye exam by an opthamologist (risk of retinal detachment on plaquenil), and a mega CT scan of my entire chest and abdomen...for cancer. I have a 20% chance of having an underlying malignancy. I also need to ask my OB/GYN for an order for my first mammogram (at age 38), another jolt of radiation. If I didn't have cancer before....maybe I'll get one now!
He took lots of blood (don't know what some of these are):
SED rate
CRP
CMP
CPK & aldolase (muscle enzymes)
Protein electrophoresis
Analyser panel (some autoimmune marker test)
ANA
Anticardiolipin ABS
Lupus Anticoagulant
AntiBeta2Glycan
Myositis Antibody Panel
Vit D-25 Hydroxy
Hemogram with Differential
The only good news from my last bloodwork is that I don't have the Jo-1 antibody, which means a better prognosis with respect to interstitial lung disease. With it, it's almost a guarantee. Phew!
I've been crying on and off since yesterday. I cried through the entire blood draw and walking down the street. Don't know why I'm such a mess about it...I knew what it was going to be. But I feel like I've failed. All my efforts to battle autoimmunity led to the same outcome in the end...steroids and antimalarials. Some people get cured on a gluten free diet. I got sicker. I'm pissed off at the world. Pissed off at "modern" medicine with it's archaic band-aid treatments.
I'll start pred tomorrow, and with my limited diet, what the hell will I eat when I'm starving all the time?!?!?
I'm so sick and tired of this stupid journey I'm on. I just want to give up. I know I should try and be optimistic, try and blaze new trails, question authority, look for root causes. But I'm hopeless at the moment. Will try to snap out of it. I hate my stupid, failing, itchy body.
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I'm so sorry, Zizzle. You have really been through Hell and you have every reason to cry. Once you begin treatment and start to feel better your positive attitude will return. From what I read, 90% of people with dermatomyositis do well over the long term. I'm praying that you will be among that 90% and will begin to feel better quickly.
Sheila W
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Vera YOU HAVE NOT FAILED - far far far from it!!!!
a tainted immune system is an evil thing to live with. maybe part of the tears is maybe 5% relief that you have diagnosis????
you didnt get sicker - once the MC was not the main weakness, other stuff come through. I have had the same thing for the past 12 months.
12 months ago i had mast cells, in july i was diagnosed with Lichen Scleorsuss, and now am going through various tests, specialists, trying different meds to sort out mysterious (and as the renal specialist calls it 'interesting') kidney bp issues....
I do know how you feel, man i worked my ass off with the MC management plan, change jobs, moved towns to optimise wellness. I didnt expect other things to start happening for at least 10 years. we are relatively young, and living with this stuff is crap......
i have the box of tissues and my shoulder is there for ya, cause i know how you are feel
xoxoxox
a tainted immune system is an evil thing to live with. maybe part of the tears is maybe 5% relief that you have diagnosis????
you didnt get sicker - once the MC was not the main weakness, other stuff come through. I have had the same thing for the past 12 months.
12 months ago i had mast cells, in july i was diagnosed with Lichen Scleorsuss, and now am going through various tests, specialists, trying different meds to sort out mysterious (and as the renal specialist calls it 'interesting') kidney bp issues....
I do know how you feel, man i worked my ass off with the MC management plan, change jobs, moved towns to optimise wellness. I didnt expect other things to start happening for at least 10 years. we are relatively young, and living with this stuff is crap......
i have the box of tissues and my shoulder is there for ya, cause i know how you are feel
xoxoxox
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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the other weekend i had catch up with friends in a desert only cafe, my treat was a decadent desert - it was full of gluten/dairy/sugar/?soy..... white chocolate dumplings with vanilla bean icecream.
i decided - if i feel like crap i might as well have a bl**dy good reason!!!! I didnt react! no digestion symptoms at all!
All my friends couldnt believe it!!! they have seen me be soo particular this past 2.75 years (the strict eating plan, not sharing cutlery, bringing my own food everywhere)
Deep breaths, i wont bullsh*t you and say everything will be fine. BUT i will give you another gentle hug (so as not to irritate the skin) and let you know that you are not alone in this mission of optimum wellness (despite the challenges)
i decided - if i feel like crap i might as well have a bl**dy good reason!!!! I didnt react! no digestion symptoms at all!
All my friends couldnt believe it!!! they have seen me be soo particular this past 2.75 years (the strict eating plan, not sharing cutlery, bringing my own food everywhere)
Deep breaths, i wont bullsh*t you and say everything will be fine. BUT i will give you another gentle hug (so as not to irritate the skin) and let you know that you are not alone in this mission of optimum wellness (despite the challenges)
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
I took the first 40 mgs of prednisone before work today. By noon, I was feeling warmer and my unconscious leg bouncing was happening non-stop. I am WIRED!!
My friend with Crohn's told me to enjoy it, saying she's never gotten more accomplished than when she had the extra energy from pred. We'll see if I can sleep tonight!
My friend with Crohn's told me to enjoy it, saying she's never gotten more accomplished than when she had the extra energy from pred. We'll see if I can sleep tonight!