Could This Be Possible?
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Could This Be Possible?
Hi All,
I hadn't had a cold in at least a couple of years (not since I started taking significant doses of vitamin D). So I attributed the viral resistance to taking plenty of vitamin D. (Even though I've seen a recent article about research that concluded that one's vitamin D level has nothing to do with cold or flu resistance).
I recently switched doctors, and during the first visit, my GP's PA asked about immunizations, and suggested the flu vaccine (of course), which I declined, and a pneumonia vaccine. Well, the pneumonia vaccine sounded as though it might be a good idea, because I have a history of breathing issues (beginning with childhood asthma). When I pointed out that vaccinations aren't nearly as effective on older folks, he agreed, but countered with the claim that even if I were to get pneumonia, it would be a much milder form, if I had the vaccine. That made sense to me, so I agreed to take the pneumonia jab. That was the only vaccine that I agreed to, because my last tetanus booster should still be effective.
I never noticed any reaction to the vaccine (I was expecting one, since he had suggested that I would probably have a mild reaction). I didn't feel the jab at all, nor did any pain develop subsequently, and I never noticed any respiratory symptoms that could be attributed to it.
Three and a half weeks later, I attended a banquet, where I was seated next to the MC, who seemed to be getting (or getting over) a cold. He didn't sneeze or cough, but his breath had that characteristic odor suggestive of a cold, so I suspect that he was in the early stages of a developing cold. Two days later I had a cold.
Fast forward another three and a half weeks (to Tuesday of this week), to a small Christmas gathering for dinner, where I was seated across the table from a lady who occasionally coughed (always politely deflected behind her), and blew her nose a time or two. She didn't show any significant signs of being particularly infectious, but three days later, here I am with another cold coming on.
So what's going on? I hadn't had a cold for years, and all of a sudden I'm catching every cold that I'm just barely exposed to — colds that I would never have caught in the past.
Could the fact that I hadn't had a cold in at least a couple of years, and even before that (before I started taking vitamin D), I virtually never had more than one or two a year, have merely been a coincidence. Was I just lucky in the past?
Could taking too much vitamin D undo the improved resistance that's associated with more moderate vitamin D levels?
Could that pneumonia jab have somehow destroyed my previous resistance to colds?
Or could the problem be due to something else that I'm overlooking?
Tex
I hadn't had a cold in at least a couple of years (not since I started taking significant doses of vitamin D). So I attributed the viral resistance to taking plenty of vitamin D. (Even though I've seen a recent article about research that concluded that one's vitamin D level has nothing to do with cold or flu resistance).
I recently switched doctors, and during the first visit, my GP's PA asked about immunizations, and suggested the flu vaccine (of course), which I declined, and a pneumonia vaccine. Well, the pneumonia vaccine sounded as though it might be a good idea, because I have a history of breathing issues (beginning with childhood asthma). When I pointed out that vaccinations aren't nearly as effective on older folks, he agreed, but countered with the claim that even if I were to get pneumonia, it would be a much milder form, if I had the vaccine. That made sense to me, so I agreed to take the pneumonia jab. That was the only vaccine that I agreed to, because my last tetanus booster should still be effective.
I never noticed any reaction to the vaccine (I was expecting one, since he had suggested that I would probably have a mild reaction). I didn't feel the jab at all, nor did any pain develop subsequently, and I never noticed any respiratory symptoms that could be attributed to it.
Three and a half weeks later, I attended a banquet, where I was seated next to the MC, who seemed to be getting (or getting over) a cold. He didn't sneeze or cough, but his breath had that characteristic odor suggestive of a cold, so I suspect that he was in the early stages of a developing cold. Two days later I had a cold.
Fast forward another three and a half weeks (to Tuesday of this week), to a small Christmas gathering for dinner, where I was seated across the table from a lady who occasionally coughed (always politely deflected behind her), and blew her nose a time or two. She didn't show any significant signs of being particularly infectious, but three days later, here I am with another cold coming on.
So what's going on? I hadn't had a cold for years, and all of a sudden I'm catching every cold that I'm just barely exposed to — colds that I would never have caught in the past.
Could the fact that I hadn't had a cold in at least a couple of years, and even before that (before I started taking vitamin D), I virtually never had more than one or two a year, have merely been a coincidence. Was I just lucky in the past?
Could taking too much vitamin D undo the improved resistance that's associated with more moderate vitamin D levels?
Could that pneumonia jab have somehow destroyed my previous resistance to colds?
Or could the problem be due to something else that I'm overlooking?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have had one cold in the 4 plus years since I joined the PP. I attributed it to the Vitamin D you suggested taking.........
I'm going to do another SpectraCell test soon. I just ordered the kit from the company instead of through the doctor. Will have blood drawn at a lab. Last time I was deficient in magnesium and Vitamin C. My cost went up to $88 and $15 for the blood draw which may be reimbursed they said.
I'm going to do another SpectraCell test soon. I just ordered the kit from the company instead of through the doctor. Will have blood drawn at a lab. Last time I was deficient in magnesium and Vitamin C. My cost went up to $88 and $15 for the blood draw which may be reimbursed they said.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor and don't play one on TV.
LDN July 18, 2014
Joan
LDN July 18, 2014
Joan
That's exactly what I'm wondering.Jon wrote:Hi Tex, Could the vaccine have effected your innate immune response? Since that provides first response.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I don't really have anything substantive to add to this discussion but I have just gotten over the first cold I have had in about 6 years. I have no idea why, not why I hadn't had a cold in so long nor why I got one now. I had the pneumonia vaccine but that was probably 4 years ago and I don't remember any reaction. I had been feeling pretty cocky about my ability to resist colds but I guess I should adjust my attitude. Hope this cold doesn't turn into anything too bad for you Tex.
Jean
Jean
I hope so too, because it doesn't seem to be developing according to the rules for a normal cold, but it's still too early to rule on that. The initial nasal congestion/runny nose seems to be fading away, and it's being replaced by fatigue — my energy level is in the pits today. I had trouble getting out of bed this morning, because of a stiff, aching back and neck, but I'm hoping that I just "slept wrong", as they say. LOL. Texas is one of the states currently having a major flu problem, but so far, I don't have any nausea or any major symptoms, so I'm still pretty sure that it's just a cold.Jean wrote:Hope this cold doesn't turn into anything too bad for you Tex.
Maybe the viruses are just super-potent this year.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Tex,
Jon said
I would suppose it IS possible to conject on such a theory.
When people live in envorinments where they are not being constantly and routinely exposed to all sorts of things that are always being spread around by chiildren (in particular), they then also don't have as many "opportunities" to build our own resistance to many of these organisms.
So the other thought is that you have just "happened" to somehow be exposed to several different strange viral infections recently?
As the "pneumonia vaccine" is specific for the streptococcus pneumoniae which is a bacteria, and most "garden variety" head colds are caused by variety of viruses (which you appear to be swimming in right now) my bet would be that multiple happenstance’s of exposure to different viruses has just accidentally caught up to you, all in short order. It's the pits, but probably is not ominous.
Gayle
Jon said
Welllllll??? Is there really anything that isn't "possible"?Could the vaccine have effected your innate immune response? Since that provides first response.
I would suppose it IS possible to conject on such a theory.
When people live in envorinments where they are not being constantly and routinely exposed to all sorts of things that are always being spread around by chiildren (in particular), they then also don't have as many "opportunities" to build our own resistance to many of these organisms.
So the other thought is that you have just "happened" to somehow be exposed to several different strange viral infections recently?
As the "pneumonia vaccine" is specific for the streptococcus pneumoniae which is a bacteria, and most "garden variety" head colds are caused by variety of viruses (which you appear to be swimming in right now) my bet would be that multiple happenstance’s of exposure to different viruses has just accidentally caught up to you, all in short order. It's the pits, but probably is not ominous.
Gayle
Hmmmm, interesting. Could it be that your immune system is working hard to build antibodies to pneumonia and therefor, your other resistence went down? Maybe once you build the pneumonia antibodies, you will again fight colds better? My immunologist gave me the same vaccine to test if I would build the antibodies. When I was retested six weeks later... nope. nothing. Bummer for me. But six weeks was the time frame he gave it to be complete.
Leah
Leah
Tex,
Jon said:
I would suppose it IS possible to conject on such a theory.
But the other thought is that you have just "happened" to somehow be exposed to several different strange viral infections recently?
When persons live in an environment where they are not routinely being exposed to children (they are like little petri dishes full of organisms) we tend to not have as many "opportunities" to develop any resistance to some of these organisms.
As the "pneumonia vaccine" is specific for the streptococcus pneumoniae which is a bacteria, and most "garden variety" head colds are caused by variety of viruses (which you appear to be swimming in right now) my bet would be that multiple happenstance’s of exposure to different viruses has just accidentally caught up to you all at once???
It's the pits, but probably is not ominous.
Gayle
Jon said:
Welllllll??? Is there really anything that isn't "possible"?Could the vaccine have effected your innate immune response? Since that provides first response.
I would suppose it IS possible to conject on such a theory.
But the other thought is that you have just "happened" to somehow be exposed to several different strange viral infections recently?
When persons live in an environment where they are not routinely being exposed to children (they are like little petri dishes full of organisms) we tend to not have as many "opportunities" to develop any resistance to some of these organisms.
As the "pneumonia vaccine" is specific for the streptococcus pneumoniae which is a bacteria, and most "garden variety" head colds are caused by variety of viruses (which you appear to be swimming in right now) my bet would be that multiple happenstance’s of exposure to different viruses has just accidentally caught up to you all at once???
It's the pits, but probably is not ominous.
Gayle
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Hi Tex, I do hope you feel better soon. As far as an immunization, I believe it's safe to say a small portion of a 'dead' virus strand you get in an immunization like pneumonia is not going to wipe out your immunity to other viruses. My take on this is that simple immunization boosters like pneumonia vaccine are pretty safe.
The goal is take take a dead version of a virus and give you a minimal exposure to the virus strands so that your immune system learns how to recognize that as a 'bad guy' and learn from it so that your system can fight it for real so you don't develop the full blown version of the virus.
As far as some long term experience, I'm one of those that will very rarely get a cold or a flu, but once I go through a cycle of getting sick it will last a season or so until my immunity builds back up again. For me it's about a 10 years cycle, an old time doctor in Woodland Park Colorado who still makes house calls first described it for me in the late 80's that said your well for a lot of years and then every so often you need to recharge your immune system.
I believe that the old mountain doctor Dr. Zajac was right, immunity is not for a lifetime, rather for a period of time at which point it fades and needs to recharge every so often. For me that's about 12 to 15 years. That seems to be the period I go between seasons of any colds or flu's. In those times I am in a recharge time, I do get sick several times for that season, after that I seem to do fine for about 10 years.
Overall Tex I'm pretty sure there is no difference in getting exposed to a bit of a dead strand of the virus and being exposed to the live virus, either way your immune system will begin to react. You realize that your already exposed to dead strands of many viruses each and everyday as these strands exist on handrails, shopping carts, steering wheels, door knobs, arm rests on seats etc... An imunization only defines the point in time at which you where exposed, the results will be the same.
Take care Tex, I'm hope this will settle down soon an that you feel better.
Joe
The goal is take take a dead version of a virus and give you a minimal exposure to the virus strands so that your immune system learns how to recognize that as a 'bad guy' and learn from it so that your system can fight it for real so you don't develop the full blown version of the virus.
As far as some long term experience, I'm one of those that will very rarely get a cold or a flu, but once I go through a cycle of getting sick it will last a season or so until my immunity builds back up again. For me it's about a 10 years cycle, an old time doctor in Woodland Park Colorado who still makes house calls first described it for me in the late 80's that said your well for a lot of years and then every so often you need to recharge your immune system.
I believe that the old mountain doctor Dr. Zajac was right, immunity is not for a lifetime, rather for a period of time at which point it fades and needs to recharge every so often. For me that's about 12 to 15 years. That seems to be the period I go between seasons of any colds or flu's. In those times I am in a recharge time, I do get sick several times for that season, after that I seem to do fine for about 10 years.
Overall Tex I'm pretty sure there is no difference in getting exposed to a bit of a dead strand of the virus and being exposed to the live virus, either way your immune system will begin to react. You realize that your already exposed to dead strands of many viruses each and everyday as these strands exist on handrails, shopping carts, steering wheels, door knobs, arm rests on seats etc... An imunization only defines the point in time at which you where exposed, the results will be the same.
Take care Tex, I'm hope this will settle down soon an that you feel better.
Joe
Joe
Hi Tex,
I very rarely get a cold or flu when I do get a cold of course I would go into brochitis & etc. With me it is never simple. My dr. gave me the vacination last year because he did not want me to get any sicker due to LC. Of course at that time I was in a major flare and just diagnosis with LC so I can not tell if there was a difference.
PS I just knocked on wood .......I do not want a cold!!!!!
I very rarely get a cold or flu when I do get a cold of course I would go into brochitis & etc. With me it is never simple. My dr. gave me the vacination last year because he did not want me to get any sicker due to LC. Of course at that time I was in a major flare and just diagnosis with LC so I can not tell if there was a difference.
PS I just knocked on wood .......I do not want a cold!!!!!
Denise
Hmm. I'm not sure that there is a direct correspondence between colds and the pneumonia vaccine.
Here's my history with pneumona, colds, and the pneumonia vaccine and booster:
I had a cold in February 2006.
I got double pneumonia in March 2006.
I had my first pneumonia vaccine in December 2006, about 1 month prior to getting MC.
I had chest pains a day later and went to the ER. Nothing wrong was found.
Began taking Entocort in July 2007.
Had a cold in January 10, 2008.
Had another cold January 30, 2008.
Had a cold in January 2009.
Got pneumonia in December 2009.
Vitamin D level was tested in June 2010 and was 62.5.
Small cold in November 2010.
January 2011 - got pneumonia.
Pneumonia booster shot December 6, 2011.
Got a cold December 23, 2011.
Vitamin D level tested on March 2012 and was 96.6.
Another cold in August 2012.
It looks like I average one cold a year, which seems pretty normal. Whether it's related to the pneumonia vaccines is hard to say. Getting pneumonia two times after having the vaccine is probably not normal.
Gloria
Here's my history with pneumona, colds, and the pneumonia vaccine and booster:
I had a cold in February 2006.
I got double pneumonia in March 2006.
I had my first pneumonia vaccine in December 2006, about 1 month prior to getting MC.
I had chest pains a day later and went to the ER. Nothing wrong was found.
Began taking Entocort in July 2007.
Had a cold in January 10, 2008.
Had another cold January 30, 2008.
Had a cold in January 2009.
Got pneumonia in December 2009.
Vitamin D level was tested in June 2010 and was 62.5.
Small cold in November 2010.
January 2011 - got pneumonia.
Pneumonia booster shot December 6, 2011.
Got a cold December 23, 2011.
Vitamin D level tested on March 2012 and was 96.6.
Another cold in August 2012.
It looks like I average one cold a year, which seems pretty normal. Whether it's related to the pneumonia vaccines is hard to say. Getting pneumonia two times after having the vaccine is probably not normal.
Gloria
You never know what you can do until you have to do it.
Leah wrote:But six weeks was the time frame he gave it to be complete.
That's interesting. I had no idea it could take so long. I just assumed that after a week or 10 days, the deed would be done. That fits right in with my theory that our immune system basically has a "one-track mind". We'll see if my immune system "recovers", or if anything else shows up farther down the road, now that I'm past the 6-week point.
Hmmmmmm. A 10 to 15 year effectiveness, followed by the need to recharge our immune system definitely makes a lot of sense. Why don't they teach us that in school? My doctors certainly never mentioned it to me.
Hmmmmmm. That's the only incident that fits my situation. You're right — that's not enough of a correlation history to draw any firm conclusions. Thanks for the data.Gloria wrote:Pneumonia booster shot December 6, 2011.
Got a cold December 23, 2011.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.