Questions About Legumes, Prozac, and the Absence of Norman

rivendweller · Post by **rivendweller** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:04 pm

Hi, All:

I am still in the process of my New Year's strategy, and it is slow going. After nearly three weeks on budesonide, GF, DF, EF and no raw fruit or raw veggies, I still have D. Being very careful about what I eat and trying to be patient. I realize it takes time, but I admit I was hoping for faster results.

I ordered more budesonide (90 day supply for $130) from the Indian pharmacy Tex mentioned and the medication arrived without a hitch. Thanks for the link, Tex! Saved me a ton of money.

Question: I purchased some great-looking organic sprouted beans at Costco, and they are labeled gluten-free. My Enterolab results said nothing about legumes, except I do not appear to have a sensitivity to nuts. Would it be safe for me to try these beans while the D is still unresolved?

I've been on BRAT (bananas, rice, applesauce and tea) diet, plus I've added some pork, chicken, quinoa, oats (I'm not sensitive, according to Enterolab), almond milk, coffee, cooked carrots and squash. I'm so hungry for something different!

I do take 30mg of Prozac every day, and my doctor advised me not to stop or taper down any time soon. Could the D be continuing because of the Prozac?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Margaret

Leah · Post by **Leah** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:26 pm

yes, but the only way to know is if you stopped taking it and I don't know much about if and how that is done.

So, your Enterolab test was okay for soy? If so, legumes should be ok, but are these beans raw? Or are you cooking them?

Also, do you make sure your oats are GF?

Hang in there and if you don't get relief with the Entocort ( ANY IMPROVEMENT?) , it may not be the drug for you. Maybe the Pepto Bismal protocol would work . I hope you find relief soon.

Leah

rivendweller · Post by **rivendweller** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:51 pm

I'm going to talk to my doctor again about tapering off the Prozac. I think I can do it, if I do so slowly.

I plan on cooking the beans. Ordinary, old-fashioned Quaker oats: no other ingredients listed. Could this be the culprit? My lab results specifically said I show no sensitivity to oats.
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Abbreviated lab results:

A + C) Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel

Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 7 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)

Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 45 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)

Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 14 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)

Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 20 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)

Fecal Anti-soy IgA 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)

Food toward which you displayed most immunologic reactivity: Beef, Tuna
Food for which there was no significant immunologic reactivity: Chicken, Almond, Corn, Rice, Oat, Cashew, Pork, White potato, Walnut
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And yes, I have noticed improvement in the last three weeks. The pain is not as bad, and the D not as frequent. Headaches are better.

Thanks,
Margaret

Post by **tex** » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:56 pm

Hi Margaret,

Since your EnteroLab test result for soy was negative, then I agree with Leah, sprouted beans should be safe.

Please be aware that as Leah mentioned, a lot of oats is cross-contaminated with wheat, and Quaker is not labeled gluten-free (at least it wasn't the last time I looked). But the quinoa may also be risky. Please read this old post for a discussion of the problem. The article by the Chicago Rabbinical Council (that can be accessed by the link in my post) lists the brands of quinoa that should be safe.

Margaret wrote:Could the D be continuing because of the Prozac?

Yes, unfortunately Prozac, and other selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are known triggers for MC. They don't cause MC for everyone. In fact, for some people, they help to bring remission, but they definitely trigger a flare for others. Here's an article on that confusing situation (scroll down the page to the section titled Insights and Ponderings):

http://www.perskyfarms.com/NewWebsite/M ... s.org.html

Tex

jgivens · Post by **jgivens** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:27 pm

I read the thread regarding Quinoa and am wondering if Zizzle ever said if the green banana flour worked for her parents. I would love to try some as I don't like the idea of a lot of rice because of the effect on glucose and I am sensitive to tree nuts as well as coconut. That doesn't leave me with a lot of choices since I don't know about soy, but think that it probably hinders more than helps me.

tlras · Post by **tlras** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:17 pm

Hi Margaret,

Just FYI, I gave up beans for 5 months when I had the D. I'm just now adding them back into my diet, but very little amount, with no issues. They are high fiber so be careful. Oats, I believe, are high fiber as well.

Do hope the Entocort kicks in soon! And I do hope you can find something else to eat that you can tolerate. I got frustrated with my diet the last 5 months but now all that suffering has paid off and I'm able to add a little bit more to my diet. Hang in there.

Terri

MaggieRedwings · Post by **MaggieRedwings** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:53 am

Morning Margaret.

I would suggest stopping the oats and also the quiona since they definitely could aggravate the gut. They are still (2) items that I could not even consider putting back on my eating plan. Bad reaction to both.

Maggie

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:09 pm

Hang in there

give the body time to heal! if you can stick to a nuturing eating plan and minimise adding new things for a while you will get the long term benefit!

If you are on budesonide and still have D, there is still a heap of inflammation that needs to heal......

please dont rush it, be prepared that it might take 3 months or 6 months or even longer.

coryhub · Post by **coryhub** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:26 pm

Hi Margaret,
Your are on the right track with the BRAT diet. I can't do Quinoa because it comes out "undigested" Quinoa. I also stay away from Legumes and sprouts as I don't digest them well and beans are so gassy. I make gluten free bread in my bread maker so I will make a turkey or pork chop sandwich when I need to feel full. I made pureed carrot, ginger soup this weekend. Another thing I eat a lot of is sweet potatoes. I use a gluten free scallop potatoe recipe. I have substituted, sweet potatoes with turnips, and/or parsnips (sometimes a layer of each).
Thanks for letting us know that the India connection for Entocort worked well.
Good luck on your food journey.
Cory

Leni · Post by **Leni** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:19 pm

My experience- I don't eat oats at all any more and when I have D, I can't drink coffee. I drink tea most of the time now and only have coffee a few times a week. I've been on Prozac for almost 18 years, so I think I tolerate it pretty well. I haven't been able to digest fresh pork for about 30 years (ham and bacon are okay). I can only eat beans in very small quantities. Same with broccoli and cabbage. I can eat soy and dairy but don't eat it very often. And thank goodness I can still eat chocolate and nuts. For many years I get sick if I eat too much at one time, so my portions are always very small