My husband discovered this great organic whey protein concentrate, Tera's Whey, and has been adding it to his smoothies (after I make mine with lame-o rice protein or nothing). I just noticed they make a totally plain goat's milk whey protein. Is there any chance I would not react to this protein, assuming it has no casein, and goat's milk is better tolerated? When my MC was flaring 2 years ago, I failed at trying to eat goat's cheese and yogurt (bloating and D), but maybe the whey alone is OK?
http://www.vitacost.com/teras-whey-goat ... nsweetened
I'm down to 20 mgs of prednisone, and no signs of D yet. I feel great, and my rheumy says I'm one of the lucky few who has no weight gain or irritabiilty on prednisone. He said when I'm down to 10 mgs in 6 weeks, my old aches and pains (if I had them) will probably return. I imagine that means D too, but I'm hopeful I'm making progress in digestive healing.
Any chance we can tolerate goat whey concentrate?
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When I first went off of dairy, I tried goat kefir thinking that it was lactose that was the problem. Took me awhile to figure that it is the casein. I believe that there is casein in the whey. We have raw milk (cow) and my son makes yogurt (it kills me to watch him make it b/c it is sooo delicious and I know I can't have it) but I have wondered about the whey from that, but I think that the ONLY dairy we can do is ghee because it is the only dairy product that has no casein in it.
I could be wrong, and I hope that I am, because I would love to try to the whey. I have heard it is a wonderful protein to put in soups and stews as well as smoothies. Just from some cursory looking on line it says that goat's whey and cow's whey are differently composed, but that there seems to be casein in both.
I could be wrong, and I hope that I am, because I would love to try to the whey. I have heard it is a wonderful protein to put in soups and stews as well as smoothies. Just from some cursory looking on line it says that goat's whey and cow's whey are differently composed, but that there seems to be casein in both.
Jane
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Bah! I'm looking for trouble. Even if the casein is gone, it's got plenty of lactose. Better warn my hubby who is midly lactose intolerant!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whey_proteinSome people experience severe digestive issues following consumption of whey protein powder.[27] These may include gas, bloating, cramps, tiredness, weakness, fatigue, headaches, and irritability. One of the possible causes is lactose intolerance after they ingest whey concentrate.[28] Undigested protein in the colon will undergo bacterial fermentation which leads to the production of, among other things, gas and fatty acids.[29]
Similar symptoms can be caused by ingredients found in lower quality protein powders such as lactose in whey protein concentrate or artificial sweeteners in most commercial protein powders.[citation needed] The effects of these substances can be distinguished from the effects of whey alone by switching to an unsweetened whey isolate or hydrolysate. If symptoms are not eliminated by switching to a purer form of whey protein, using alternative protein sources such as pea protein or rice protein may reduce symptoms
They Whey they are talking about is from Cows Milk, not goat milk.Zizzle wrote:Bah! I'm looking for trouble. Even if the casein is gone, it's got plenty of lactose. Better warn my hubby who is midly lactose intolerant!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whey_proteinSome people experience severe digestive issues following consumption of whey protein powder.[27] These may include gas, bloating, cramps, tiredness, weakness, fatigue, headaches, and irritability. One of the possible causes is lactose intolerance after they ingest whey concentrate.[28] Undigested protein in the colon will undergo bacterial fermentation which leads to the production of, among other things, gas and fatty acids.[29]
Similar symptoms can be caused by ingredients found in lower quality protein powders such as lactose in whey protein concentrate or artificial sweeteners in most commercial protein powders.[citation needed] The effects of these substances can be distinguished from the effects of whey alone by switching to an unsweetened whey isolate or hydrolysate. If symptoms are not eliminated by switching to a purer form of whey protein, using alternative protein sources such as pea protein or rice protein may reduce symptoms
Lando,
Discussions on this topic have occurred several times in the past, and can be found by searching the archives of this board.
This issue is based on the observation that milk from modern cow breeds found in most dairies today contains primarily A1-beta caseins, whereas milk from most ancient cattle contained primarily A2-beta caseins (which was/is easier to digest). Milk from a few older dairy breeds still contains significant amounts of A2-beta caseins, but they all contain at least a small to moderate amount of A1-beta caseins. Goat's milk contains primarily A2-beta caseins.
Unfortunately, since we produce antibodies to casein, even if we should happen to be sensitive to only A1-beta caseins, it only takes trace amounts to cause most of us to react, so it's sort of a moot point, since it boils down to a matter of the severity of the reaction involved.
Since goat's milk contains mostly A2-beta caseins, it should be easier to digest, but that doesn't mean that it will not trigger the production of antibodies, resulting in damage to our intestines, because some of the peptides in these casein molecules are very similar to the peptides found in the casein molecules of cow's milk.
Here are a couple of articles on this, if you want to read more. The second one is an extensive review of many research articles, in reference to the claims that A1-beta caseins appear to be a factor in the development of diabetes (DM-1), ischemic heart disease (IHD), schizophrenia, and autism.
Tex
Discussions on this topic have occurred several times in the past, and can be found by searching the archives of this board.
This issue is based on the observation that milk from modern cow breeds found in most dairies today contains primarily A1-beta caseins, whereas milk from most ancient cattle contained primarily A2-beta caseins (which was/is easier to digest). Milk from a few older dairy breeds still contains significant amounts of A2-beta caseins, but they all contain at least a small to moderate amount of A1-beta caseins. Goat's milk contains primarily A2-beta caseins.
Unfortunately, since we produce antibodies to casein, even if we should happen to be sensitive to only A1-beta caseins, it only takes trace amounts to cause most of us to react, so it's sort of a moot point, since it boils down to a matter of the severity of the reaction involved.
Since goat's milk contains mostly A2-beta caseins, it should be easier to digest, but that doesn't mean that it will not trigger the production of antibodies, resulting in damage to our intestines, because some of the peptides in these casein molecules are very similar to the peptides found in the casein molecules of cow's milk.
Here are a couple of articles on this, if you want to read more. The second one is an extensive review of many research articles, in reference to the claims that A1-beta caseins appear to be a factor in the development of diabetes (DM-1), ischemic heart disease (IHD), schizophrenia, and autism.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39673 ... n-protein/Cow-Milk Caseins
The caseins in cow milk may include different forms, with cow milk typically containing one of two types of beta casein. Depending on an individual cow's genetic profile, the milk produced will contain either A1-beta caseins or A2-beta caseins. Digestion of A1-type casein can produce casomorphins, peptides with an opiate-like effect on your brain. A1 caseins are most common in milk from Holstein-Friesian, Ayrshire and Red breeds of cattle. A2 caseins are more commonly found in milk from Jersey and Guernsey cattle.
Goat-Milk Caseins
Goat's milk typically contains very low levels of Alpha-S1 casein, a type of protein considered difficult to digest. Low Alpha-S1 casein levels lead to a lower curd tension in goat's milk than in cow milk -- the relatively light and small curd in goat milk may be relatively easy to digest. In terms of beta caseins, goat's milk typically contains the A2 type. Goat's milk is sometimes recommended for those attempting to avoid A1-beta casein in the diet.
http://www.foodsafety.govt.nz/elibrary/ ... eviews.pdf5. OVERALL CONCLUSIONS
The hypothesis that a high intake of milk containing A1 β-casein promotes conditions as heterogeneous as DM-1, IHD, schizophrenia and autism is intriguing and potentially important. There is some very suggestive evidence from ecological studies for DM-1 and IHD, and there is certainly a possibility that the A1/A2 composition of milk is a factor in the etiology of these conditions. However, this hypothesis has yet to be backed by good human trials.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I was just responding to the link she posted. That link is to cows milk whey Wiki.
But I did think this was interesting
One theory is that anti-inflammatory compounds known as oligosaccharides found in goat's milk can actually ease digestion while inside the intestines. A study published in "The Journal of Nutrition" in March 2006 showed how the oligosaccharides in goat's milk eased inflammation in rats with colitis and other bowel difficulties.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/55409 ... z2M4ozcpHR
But I did think this was interesting
One theory is that anti-inflammatory compounds known as oligosaccharides found in goat's milk can actually ease digestion while inside the intestines. A study published in "The Journal of Nutrition" in March 2006 showed how the oligosaccharides in goat's milk eased inflammation in rats with colitis and other bowel difficulties.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/55409 ... z2M4ozcpHR
Oligosaccharides are also known as prebiotics. They are claimed to make digestion more efficient by promoting increased populations of certain bacteria in the gut. Oligosaccharides are, in essence, food for these bacteria, because humans cannot digest them (which leaves them to feed the bacteria). While the theory sounds good, the reality is that in practice, they promote the propagation of bad bacteria just as effectively as they promote the development of beneficial bacteria, and the bad bacteria usually win the competition.
Inflamed rats may benefit from them, but research shows that it doesn't work with humans. In the experience of most of the members of this board who have tried them, oligosaccharides tend to make our digestive problems worse. As further substantiation, more recent research showed no benefits (but increased side effects) when used by Crohn's patients.
Tex
Inflamed rats may benefit from them, but research shows that it doesn't work with humans. In the experience of most of the members of this board who have tried them, oligosaccharides tend to make our digestive problems worse. As further substantiation, more recent research showed no benefits (but increased side effects) when used by Crohn's patients.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/DDW/19984"We didn't see any differences, and there were more side effects with prebiotics," Lindsay told MedPage Today. "[Prebiotics] are less effective in active disease."
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.