If this works for children with such dangerous allergic reactions that they have anaphylaxis, why wouldn't it work for adults with sensitivities? Am I crazy to think that there is a way out of this other than just having to avoid and avoid and avoid foods that keep causing sensitivities. Sometimes I think that there will be nothing left for me to eat. I certainly never want to go back to processed food, but I would like to be able to drink raw milk and eat raw milk cheeses again. The other question I have is whether there is enough difference between raw milk and pasteurized that some day, i will be able to go back to raw milk products.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/magaz ... .html?_r=0
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Jane
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis 12/19/12
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Charles A. Beard
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis 12/19/12
"When it gets dark enough,you can see the stars."
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Jane,
I covered oral immunotherapy in my book, and cited references to research projects that show that such procedures can indeed bring relief of clinical symptoms (IOW, it does indeed suppress IgE antibody levels). Unfortunately, though, the research also shows that damage to the intestines (the jejunum was studied in one particular project) continues to accrue, if the problem foods remained in the diet. That implies that IgA antibodies and T cells continue to cause inflammation in the intestines, even in the absence of clinical symptoms. This suggests that in the long run, there is a good chance that the practice will result in the development of an IBD, or some other autoimmune disease or diseases, IMO.
That said, it's certainly a worthwhile procedure for someone subject to life-threatening anaphylactic reactions, but it does not appear to alleviate the threat of additional long-term damage to the body.
Tex
I covered oral immunotherapy in my book, and cited references to research projects that show that such procedures can indeed bring relief of clinical symptoms (IOW, it does indeed suppress IgE antibody levels). Unfortunately, though, the research also shows that damage to the intestines (the jejunum was studied in one particular project) continues to accrue, if the problem foods remained in the diet. That implies that IgA antibodies and T cells continue to cause inflammation in the intestines, even in the absence of clinical symptoms. This suggests that in the long run, there is a good chance that the practice will result in the development of an IBD, or some other autoimmune disease or diseases, IMO.
That said, it's certainly a worthwhile procedure for someone subject to life-threatening anaphylactic reactions, but it does not appear to alleviate the threat of additional long-term damage to the body.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have never researched the advantages of unpasteurized milk, but I've read where it is much more digestible than pasteurized milk. The pasteurization process is unlikely to alter the molecular composition of casein, however.
Food sensitivity authorities such as DogtorJ (Dr. James Symes, who is a veterinarian in England), claim that any of the grains can adversely affect the digestive tract because of their gummy (agglutenization) characteristics. The ability of Italians to eat such foods with minimal digestive problems is claimed to be because they rinse the gluten away from the intestinal walls with copious amounts of alcohol (wine) with every meal, and this serves to minimize the problem. I don't recall if I first read about that viewpoint on his site, or someone elses, but it's an interesting observation (if true).
Dr. Symes also believes that secondary glutenization is possible. IOW, he believes that the evidence shows that eating the flesh of an animal or fowl that was fed gluten before being slaughtered, can result in a gluten reaction in anyone who is gluten-sensitive. You may find these articles interesting.
“Secondary Glutenization” – It’s very real!
The Origin of Disease
A Brief History of the “Big 4”
I found this one very interesting:
Left-sided Afflictions
Sorry, I seem to have become sidetracked, here, but these are interesting viewpoints, nonetheless.
Tex
Food sensitivity authorities such as DogtorJ (Dr. James Symes, who is a veterinarian in England), claim that any of the grains can adversely affect the digestive tract because of their gummy (agglutenization) characteristics. The ability of Italians to eat such foods with minimal digestive problems is claimed to be because they rinse the gluten away from the intestinal walls with copious amounts of alcohol (wine) with every meal, and this serves to minimize the problem. I don't recall if I first read about that viewpoint on his site, or someone elses, but it's an interesting observation (if true).
Dr. Symes also believes that secondary glutenization is possible. IOW, he believes that the evidence shows that eating the flesh of an animal or fowl that was fed gluten before being slaughtered, can result in a gluten reaction in anyone who is gluten-sensitive. You may find these articles interesting.
“Secondary Glutenization” – It’s very real!
The Origin of Disease
A Brief History of the “Big 4”
I found this one very interesting:
Left-sided Afflictions
Sorry, I seem to have become sidetracked, here, but these are interesting viewpoints, nonetheless.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Tex wrote/quoted DrJ
Best, ant
Since I like the stuff (wine), in a self-selecting way, I grab at evidence too reinforce a belief that this may be true (+ plus olive oil ???). But subjectively, I do feel that wine with a meal helps my digestion / MC issues. Of course, YMMV.the ability of Italians to eat such foods with minimal digestive problems is claimed to be because they rinse the gluten away from the intestinal walls with copious amounts of alcohol (wine) with every meal, and this serves to minimize the problem.
Best, ant
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"Softly, softly catchee monkey".....
"Softly, softly catchee monkey".....
Here's part of the blog where DogtorJ discusses that concept (I think you will find the entire article very interesting):
Tex
http://dogtorj.com/what-is-food-intoler ... leaky-gut/How have Italians survived as celiacs?
Understanding this principle gives us tremendous insight into how Italians have survived over the years being a pasta-based culture. They drink wine with their meals and eat their oil and vinegar-soaked salad after their meals. Their appetizers (antipasto) are usually high fat meats (e.g. salami, prosciutto) and those items marinated in olive oil or vinegar. The fat and oil protects the villi from the attachment of gluten and casein in their upcoming main course while the vinegar and wine washes clean what does manage to attach. The fiber from the salad then scrubs the villi clean. It’s like soaking a paintbrush in mineral spirits then wiping it clean. How cool is that?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Tex- All of the websites are fascinating. Are you left-handed? I can't wait to show my husband (who I think would agree with everything said) the Left-sided Afflictions Article. He is "a lefty" and all of his afflictions seem to be on his right side. Makes sense.
I have been doing a lot of reading about casein in raw milk vs pasteurized and it turns out at the cellular level, there are some real differences. Because we heat it up in pasteurization, milk loses its enzymes that make it easy to digest. This explains what happens well: http://undergroundwellness.com/under-th ... ized-milk/. I have been reading the book quoted in this piece. It is excellent.
This is why I think some day IF my gut is ever healed, I will be able to go back to raw milk products.
I have been doing a lot of reading about casein in raw milk vs pasteurized and it turns out at the cellular level, there are some real differences. Because we heat it up in pasteurization, milk loses its enzymes that make it easy to digest. This explains what happens well: http://undergroundwellness.com/under-th ... ized-milk/. I have been reading the book quoted in this piece. It is excellent.
This is why I think some day IF my gut is ever healed, I will be able to go back to raw milk products.
Jane
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis 12/19/12
"When it gets dark enough,you can see the stars."
Charles A. Beard
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis 12/19/12
"When it gets dark enough,you can see the stars."
Charles A. Beard
Jane,
No, I'm right-handed,
Regarding the fabricated issues that were used to promote the pasteurization of milk, it's surprising how many diet recommendations and food-based policies based on fictitious information have been perpetuated over the years. It seems that once a lie is sold to the government, and a policy is adopted, changing it is almost impossible, regardless of the evidence. The same type of distortions of the facts occurred during the 1980s when a political event caused the USDA diet guidelines to suddenly include drastically increased recommendations for the amount of carbohydrates in the diet, and reduced amounts of animal fat. Americans (and residents of developed countries all around the globe) have been paying for that mistake with their health, ever since, because that was the genesis of the iatrogenic obesity epidemic that now has everyone's attention.
That reminds me, I need to start a thread about a similar fiasco regarding fiber recommendations.
Tex
No, I'm right-handed,
Regarding the fabricated issues that were used to promote the pasteurization of milk, it's surprising how many diet recommendations and food-based policies based on fictitious information have been perpetuated over the years. It seems that once a lie is sold to the government, and a policy is adopted, changing it is almost impossible, regardless of the evidence. The same type of distortions of the facts occurred during the 1980s when a political event caused the USDA diet guidelines to suddenly include drastically increased recommendations for the amount of carbohydrates in the diet, and reduced amounts of animal fat. Americans (and residents of developed countries all around the globe) have been paying for that mistake with their health, ever since, because that was the genesis of the iatrogenic obesity epidemic that now has everyone's attention.
That reminds me, I need to start a thread about a similar fiasco regarding fiber recommendations.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I could not agree more regarding the milk issue and now, the fiber issue. And I think Ant says it all, when she says, "Follow the money." It is all about who lobbies who and which Congressman's ear they can get. If it is not about money, which rarely happens, it is about power and control--certainly NOT the health of the nation.
My son sent me to this website this morning to listen to this interview of Michael Moss, the author of Salt, Fat, and Sugar and he affirms everything we have surmised: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/2013/m ... hooked-us/
My son sent me to this website this morning to listen to this interview of Michael Moss, the author of Salt, Fat, and Sugar and he affirms everything we have surmised: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/2013/m ... hooked-us/
Jane
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis 12/19/12
"When it gets dark enough,you can see the stars."
Charles A. Beard
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis 12/19/12
"When it gets dark enough,you can see the stars."
Charles A. Beard
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Tex,
I was in Italy last year and I found gluten free pasta in a regular market...not sure about the argument that Italians are somehow immune to gluten reactions because of wine or the theory mentioned above
love,
Monique
I was in Italy last year and I found gluten free pasta in a regular market...not sure about the argument that Italians are somehow immune to gluten reactions because of wine or the theory mentioned above
love,
Monique
Diagnosed 2011 with LC. Currently on Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)
Monique,
They probably just stock the GF stuff for tourists.
Seriously, I'm sure your suspicions are justified, because wine and olive oil and the fiber in salad can only do so much. Probably, they may postpone development of the disease for a while in many cases, but as we all know, if gluten wants to get us, it will get us.
Love,
Tex
They probably just stock the GF stuff for tourists.
Seriously, I'm sure your suspicions are justified, because wine and olive oil and the fiber in salad can only do so much. Probably, they may postpone development of the disease for a while in many cases, but as we all know, if gluten wants to get us, it will get us.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Yep,
They have a good program in place for diagnosing the disease early, before it can cause all the damage to teeth and bones that's typically necessary before doctors in this country will even bother to consider testing for it. That makes the disease sort of a non-issue in Italy, because testing for it and treating it is routine.
That may be what prompted Dr. Symes to write what he did, because since celiac disease is caught so early in Italy, it's not as big a problem for adults, and they are not as likely to be living with undiagnosed celiac disease.
Tex
They have a good program in place for diagnosing the disease early, before it can cause all the damage to teeth and bones that's typically necessary before doctors in this country will even bother to consider testing for it. That makes the disease sort of a non-issue in Italy, because testing for it and treating it is routine.
That may be what prompted Dr. Symes to write what he did, because since celiac disease is caught so early in Italy, it's not as big a problem for adults, and they are not as likely to be living with undiagnosed celiac disease.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.