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Jean,

I don't worry about it. If I avoided everything that the food police warn us about, I probably wouldn't have anything left to eat or drink, because even the water contains a zillion different kinds of low-level contaminants. Over the years, I've seen the "experts" reverse their opinions on the health risks of so many foods, that it's amazing that they still have the nerve to continue to make recommendations. LOL.


Monique,

I had forgotten about grits until you prompted me to remember some of the menu selections available in your part of the world. You're right, they should be another good option to replace gluten. I think I'll try shrimp and grits one of these days, but I'll have to figure out a way to make it work without dairy. The last time I had grits was before I realized that I produce antibodies to casein, so naturally they were made with butter. :sigh:

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since this thread started off on the subject of fiber (although the bacon talk has me drooling!) I thought I'd ask a question I've been wondering about. Does cooking a highly fibrous vegetable lessen the impact of the fiber? Specifically I'm thinking about kale, touted as the #1 vegetable in nutrients, especially for eye health. I tried raw kale and wow, was that a mistake. Thanks for any input.

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Beverly,

Raw kale? gosh that sounds like sand paper for my gut...

I buy kale in a bunch, pull the leaves off from the stalks, cut in pieces then I put in a very bid pot with water, salt and garlic. I bring it to a boil, cook it for at least an hour till most of the water is gone. Then I saute it with olive oil and fresh garlic. A large bunch should make 2-3 servings. Sometimes I put in the fridge and serve it cold with olive oil and rice vinegar (which is mild for us--a vinaigrette) as a salad.

Try it. I am sure you'll be fine.

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Hi Beverly,

IMO, cooking has to help significantly, because heat helps to break down the cellular structure of foods, to make them more digestible. Still, most of us find that we have to significantly overcook most such vegetables, in order to make them more easily digestible. That destroys/removes some nutrients, of course, but IMO it's much better to sacrifice some of the nutrients than to trigger a reaction and lose virtually all of them (and more) to D.

Monique's cooking method sounds like a winner to me.

Overcooking has another important advantage that is often overlooked, and that is the capacity to neutralize many/most of the lectins in foods. Plants especially, contain a lot of lectins that are designed to discourage predation, and some of those lectins can cause significant digestion issues for many of us, especially when our digestive tract is already hypersensitive because of existing inflammation.

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good answers, thanks. Monique, when you use it as a salad, do you also do the saute thing after boiling, or just omit the saute when using it as a salad. Thanks, Beverly
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Beverly,

when I use it as a salad, I omit the saute thing. Just cool it in the fridge and add vinaigrette. I buy "seasoned rice vinegar". kale cooks down like spinach.

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One of my favorite foods is kale chips. I take a bunch of kale, cut off the stems, chop up the leaves, mix them with olive oil and salt, spread them on a cookie sheet lined with parchment paper (you could just oil the sheet) and then place it in the oven for about 15 minutes at 350 degrees. I have some almost every day. I eat very few vegetables, none of them raw, but kale chips are a staple in my diet.

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Tex,

My shopping list is pretty simple too but you have me beat. I pretty much eat the same things every day, all of it really simple to make. A lot of people here seem to get bored with the same old same old, but I really like the simplicity of my meal plan and food preparation not to mention not having to worry about unwanted reactions. I do very little experimentation. I did, foolishly, try some calamari about 2 months ago and it sent me straight to the bathroom. I'd rather just stick with what I know is safe and easy to make. I have fond memories of calamari from my college days in Chicago, a Greek restaurant called Diana's at the back of a small grocery store, singing waiters and wine by the glass, no questions asked about age. I also have fond memories of the original Uno's Pizza in Chicago, before it became a national franchise, when deep dish pizza existed no where else (as far as I know). It was really good but I wiil not be tempted by those memories either. From now on I plan to reminisce without recreating.

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Tex, what about antioxidants? Fruits and veggies are where most of them lie and I believe that they are an important way to help repair cellular damage. Thoughts?

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Leah,

I figured Tex is taking his anti oxidants in pill form...

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Leah wrote:Tex, what about antioxidants? Fruits and veggies are where most of them lie and I believe that they are an important way to help repair cellular damage. Thoughts?
I guess that I've done too much online research, and read too many conflicting research reports over the years. Because years ago, I used to believe all that stuff and worry about antioxidants and things of that sort, but one day it dawned on me that most of the recommendations for issues such as that are based on small to insignificant differences in evidence, gleaned from data that have been carefully selected to confirm whatever agenda any particular research project is designed to promote, and so I have kinda lost faith in most of those conclusions/promotions. As long as health-related research is virtually always financed by those with a financial interest in the outcome, it will always be of dubious value.

Like the nitrates in bacon, these days I just ignore most of those claims. Sure, if I were to eat a truckload of bacon every day, after a few decades, the nitrates in it would probably measurably increase my odds of experiencing an adverse event related to it. Similarly, antioxidants probably have some effect, and various foods contain various antioxidant levels. If we spent enough time trying to figure out an optimum way for us to safely ingest enough of them, that might even provide a measurable benefit, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

Until recent years, primitive societies living in arctic regions virtually never included fruits or vegetables in their diet (they lived on fatty meat), but as far as I'm aware, they never had to deal with the health issues faced by modern western societies.

The older I get, the more long-standing health claims I see making headlines, as some research group decides to check them out, and lo and behold, they find that the claims don't hold up to careful scientific scrutiny. Sooner or later, that seems to be happening to virtually every such health claim ever made. So I no longer get excited about any of it. As Ant said, "Follow the money". It's always about money. :sigh:

No, I don't worry about antioxidants. I just make sure that I have plenty of meat and animal fat in my diet (incidentally, this is why the Eskimos get plenty of antioxidants in their diet). If you will compare the antioxidants in a serving of meat (or animal fat) to the antioxidants in any fruit or vegetable of your choice, you will see why I don't worry about antioxidants, and why the USDA and the medical community recommendations to limit intake of meat and animal fats is counterproductive for health.

http://antioxidants-nutrients.com/food/ ... grease.php

At 43 milligrams per serving, plain old bacon fat exactly matches the antioxidant level of a serving of cooked, drained, unsalted kale, for example. I'll grant you, some fruits and veggies have higher levels of antioxidants (spinach, for example), but many have much lower levels. Ground, cooked pork has 98 milligrams per serving. That leaves many fruits and vegetables in the dust. Beef does almost as well, and poultry meat is not too far behind.

As with most health issues, if you eat whole foods, regardless of the particular foods you choose, you will probably be OK (despite what the USDA and your doctor may think).

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This thread has been very interesting. When I read about fiber in Tex's book, it blew my mind. And to read about this latest study is getting me to think about my son's diet. He's one of those who doesn't go to the bathroom but once a week. Have upped the fiber, but it doesn't change things. Luckily he has no bloating, pains...nothing. Doctor just says that's just the way he is. I have upped his probiotics but that isn't working either. He has no issues when he goes and no pain, so I'm totally not worrying about it right now. And now maybe I don't need to worry about how much fiber he's getting. Maybe I should just ditch his fiber powder.

Okay....so craving some grits and bacon right now...lol!

@ Monique....cracking up over your comment about Ant. I need to get a pic up soon. Now, how many times have I said that.

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Okay, Tex, I learned something today. I definitely didn't realize bacon fat has so many antioxidants! I do believe we need as many as we can though because we live in a very toxic world ( much more so than our cave men ancestors and Eskimos). Even though I eat nitrite free bacon about 4 times a week and eat other meats for lunch and dinner, I still try consume as much antioxidants as I can ... hence my "green" drink" and I eat veggies because I can!. I don't fret any more though about my lack of fruit, but I do miss it :(

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Post by brandy »

Tex,

Thanks for sharing your diet regimen! I'm another 4 slice of uncured bacon a day gal!

Jean and Leah:

Love the kale chips and also sauteed greens!

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Brandy wrote:I'm another 4 slice of uncured bacon a day gal!
How decadent! :lol:

:thumbsup: It's gratifying to see that I'm not the only one with such "bad" dietary habits. :lol:

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