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Hello y'all,

WHAT? four slices of bacon a day? I think the last time I had a SLICE of bacon was 20 years ago! Remember, I have diabetes and THEY (you know who THEY are) tell me that that stuff will kill me dead!

I am reading Tex's regimen and I am starting to think that this life of deprivation that I have led has been for naught (and a pain in my French derriere). Now, I have added MORE deprivation to my life with MC...maybe what I need to do is throw all caution to the wind, return to my inherent carefree self, click my heels and do what Tex does --- pig out on pig! and live happily ever after or die trying :lol:

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I love this post. Tex, you crack me up! I have also been eating more and more bacon, which I had never done in past years. I'm a true believer in protein and fat since belonging to this forum, also, practically no fiber, however, I do still mix 1 Tablespoon of ground flax seed meal with, either, POM or tart Cherry juice concentrate, each day. POM is supposed to help decrease HBP and cherry juice is supposed to help with arthritis.

I have an off-the-wall question -- Metamucil is supposed to help with high cholesterol and bulk, and I started taking that every day, as it does give me bulk, and seems to be tolerable, at least so far. Does anyone take Metamucil and what are your thoughts...Tex... I've tried it in the past without much success, but would be interested if others have had success. And, does it actually lower cholesterol????

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Today I bought the first package of bacon in about ten years! I love the stuff and have denied myself for far too long. :grin:

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Bacon-lovers, unite!! I eat bacon and an egg for breakfast every morning.

Two mornings a week I pick my 3-year-old grandson up to take him to day care, and I always take him a slice of bacon and a morning glory muffin. Now that's the first thing he asks when he sees me, "Grandma, did you bring my bacon and muffin?"
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Hi Tex,

Your daily menu is not so very different from what I eat.

Before I got sick, I used to get constipated, thus ate lots of fiber, nuts and seeds believing it would help but colitis happened instead.
Today, I am wary of anything with fiber or roughage. "Crunchy" almond butter, sesame seeds, poppy seeds, stringy beans or celery....etc.
I am quite carnivorous now which my daughter finds humorous because I ate so much "rabbit food" all my life. Now for quick energy at work I eat a piece of beef jerky (the soft kind and I chew it a long time). I can't let myself get too hungry or I might succumb to something detrimental for my gut. Today for lunch I had homemade zucchini-parsnip soup -delicious!
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I just got back from the local grocery store, where I stocked up on bacon, just in case there's nation-wide run on bacon supplies, and they decide to start rationing it, in the interest of national food security. :lol:


Monique,

I certainly don't claim to know anything about treating diabetes, but from what I read, some of the current medical advice on diet recommendations for diabetics may be as misguided as the diet recommendations that most GI docs make for MC. Have you researched any of the information about people who have had better treatment success by following a low-carb diet? Doctor Briffa (a British doc who has an open mind) wrote an interesting article about this concept a couple of years ago:

Man With Type 1 Diabetes Lives for 90 Years

And FWIW, here are links to a couple of sites that offer bacon recipes that are supposedly diabetes-friendly.

http://www.diabetes-warrior.net/tag/bacon/

http://www.diabeticlivingonline.com/dia ... n-recipes/

Here's a more recent, more detailed, and more helpful (IMO) post about the problems with mainstream medical diabetes recommendations, by Dr. Briffa:

What’s wrong with the dietary advice Diabetes UK dishes out to diabetics?

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Garina,

There doesn't seem to be much published scientific research about the actual effects of fiber on cholesterol levels, though such claims are widely advertised on cereal labels and elsewhere. I found one research report that was published 14 years ago, that showed that soluble fiber can have a small effect on cholesterol
Conclusions: Various soluble fibers reduce total and LDL cholesterol by similar amounts. The effect is small within the practical range of intake. For example, 3 g soluble fiber from oats (3 servings of oatmeal, 28 g each) can decrease total and LDL cholesterol by <0.13 mmol/L. Increasing soluble fiber can make only a small contribution to dietary therapy to lower cholesterol.
The red emphasis is mine, of course. To convert those units to the units used in the U. S., 0.13 mmol/l is equal to 5.0 mg/dl.

Cholesterol-lowering effects of dietary fiber: a meta-analysis1,2

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Tex,

LOL...Sometimes you leave me in stitches! Maybe you should stock up on grits too, walmart has them in big cans of several pounds...

I read all the links you sent me. Thanks. This debate of high carb vs low carb has been going on as long as I have been a diabetic (40 years). Admittedly, my BS's run lower with low-carb but it is so boring eating so much protein. I feel like I am chocking on protein...Also, before Mc I was able to do it because I loaded up on low-carb vegies and some fruits. But now things have changed. I am not able to load up on vegies so I am eating more carbs than I used to (like rice). It's a conundrum---what's good for one condition isn't for the other. Some days I don't know if I am washing or hanging out :lol: and juggling all of that sometimes makes me completely crazy.

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I was thinking about you in the car Monique :)... and I thought "what about lactose? Your Enterolab for CASEIN came back normal, but many people can't digest the sugars/lactose in milk products. It might be another reason to take out the dairy for a while.

I tell most of my diabetics that they should be eating low carb ( no more than 25 g. at a time). Why would someone feed themselves something that their bodies have a hard time utilizing? It's an ongoing strain on their system. I do get though, that since fruits and veggies are hard on you, what else can you eat? There is no easy answer :(

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Beautiful, Marliss!

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Whenever I order grilled chicken breast (pretty tasteless) at my local, I ask for three strips of crispy bacon on top to give its some flavour!

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Interestingly, as if he's been reading this board (which I'm very sure he does not do), Dr. Briffa posted about this topic (processed red meat) in his blog today:
This study concentrated on a large group of men and women in the US [2]. The data was extracted from what is known as the NHANES III (National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey III). After adjusting for confounding factors, here’s what the researchers found:
…neither red and processed meat, nor white meat consumption were consistently associated with all-cause or cause-specific mortality.
In other words, eating more red and processed meat was not associated with an elevated risk of death. Incidentally, this newest study was performed by the same group of researchers in Switzerland that produced the earlier one which got the lion’s share of the press.
Why I’m not worried about the odd bit of bacon and occasional sausage in my diet

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Leah,

thanks for your post. Lactose wouldn't affect inflammation would it? Can it create it and keep it sustained? I don't know...You know I just started having dairy right AFTER I tested with enterolab about 3/4 months ago when my tests came back negative for dairy.

Well, I'll eliminate dairy and see if that helps my inflammation and if I can once and for all ELIMINATE mesalamine.

As for diabetes, I try to have no more than 20-25 gr of carbs. although it is difficult sometimes especially breakfast because cereals are all loaded. As you noted with my limitations on vegies and fruits, I am pretty much screwed :lol:

I am reading Tex and all the bacon lovers (who have found a platform in this post :lol: ) and wondering if I should try bacon and eggs in the morning...I can guarantee you that my A1C's would be better ..don't know about my arteries or cholesterol. THIS IS ALL SO DARN CONFUSING!
What other things can one eat for breakfast that's not loaded with carbs? Nothing! Unless you want to start your day with chicken or beef..

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Monique,

There is a lot of misinformation about cholesterol in the diet (and eggs in the diet) on the web, carried over from the dark ages, and posted by doctors who make assumptions without actually doing the research. For example, here's what one of the Mayo's "experts" says:
Chicken eggs are high in cholesterol, and a diet high in cholesterol can contribute to high blood cholesterol levels.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cholesterol/HQ00608

As far as I can tell, that's :BSFlag:

Please read the articles at the following links:
A Michigan State University analysis, reported a year later, analyzed the diets and blood-cholesterol data for more than 27,000 people—a representative cross-section of the U.S. population. It found that cholesterol was lower in people who ate more than four eggs per week than among people who eschewed eggs.
Reevaluating Eggs' Cholesterol Risks

And that article was written almost 7 years ago, so it's not like that research information hasn't been available to all the "experts" at the big medical institutions. Don't they ever read anything new related to health?

I'll grant you that the title of the following article may seem a bit chauvinistic at first glance, but that's because it's from a website that's targeted at men. LOL. I have a hunch that the information in this article is just as valid for women as it is for men.
Two new studies from the University of Connecticut recently presented at the Experimental Biology conference found that eating eggs actually improved cholesterol levels and reduced disease-producing inflammation in the body.
The Best Breakfast for Men

And from FitDay:
The yolk of the egg contains up to 5 grams of fat, as well as dietary cholesterol which led to eggs being vilified as increasing the risk of heart disease. However, this is a myth that comes from a misunderstanding of what actually raises cholesterol levels and the role fat plays in that process.
Food Myths Debunked: Eating Eggs Raises Your Cholesterol Level

I don't understand why so many institutional medical "experts" (to use the term loosely) are still parroting obsolete information that never was valid to begin with. :shrug:

I reckon my lack of understanding has something to do with me being an ignorant ol' country boy, who has to spend time researching a lot of things that I'm not familiar with, and them being highly-educated professionals who already know it all, and they're too educated to ever be wrong. :millianlaugh:

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