A Bit of an Update

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A Bit of an Update

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Well I thought it's time for an update. It's been a while since I have shared whats going on with MC and other issues. For the past few months I have pulled back from posting a bit as I have had a couple of 'irons in the fire' in relation to my health, but I have kept in touch with a few of you.

As I've talked about over the last few years I've been dealing with MC (CC) and Crohn's disease which has done pretty well since the surgery. Actually in just a few weeks is the 3 year anniversary from the Dx of these conditions. To treat the MC and Crohns I have been taking Imuran which is an immune suppressant which mildly supresses the immune response calming the disease process for the MC and Crohns, and so far has worked pretty well.

Since that time and for the last 3 years I have done fairly well with my diet and have been eating a 100% GF,DF SF, and have gotten quite used to cooking my own meals. Lately I have adopted a low carb diet to help deal with some of the side effects of one of the meds I'm on and that diet has been great. I'll actually write up a separate post about how that's going.

Late last summer I was diagnosed with Anklyosing Spondylitis (AS), spinal stenosis, degenerative disk disease, facet joint hypertrophy and osteoarthritis....which besides using up the whole alphabet to spell them, basically means that my spine wants to fuse itself together as the AS is an autoimmune disease affecting the bone and for the rest of it, it means my back just hurts a lot.

To treat the back issues I have initially been getting epidural steroid injections with a fairly high dose of steroids (equivelqnt to about 200mg of prednisone). The medicine they use is called Kenalog, which is an injectable "time released" steroid powdered suspension. While it works well for a while and has helped the back and leg pain somewhat, it has not worked exactly as intended. For whatever reason I'm one of the 17% that seems to absorb the whole dose in just a handful of days....I'll skip all of the details but it's not fun, a lot of mood swings and a lot of weight gain (more about this in a future post about a diet) I have had 5 of these procedures now and hopefully can start slowing down some.

Now for the fun part....

Just yesterday I was diagnosed with another autoimmune disease called Myasthenia Gravis (MG). MG is a muscular dystrophy disease that is a result of the immune system producing antibodies that block the signals from the brain to the muscles. What makes this dangerous is that includes things like breathing, over the years I've kind of grown fond of that habit :grin: Just a handful of years ago MG had a mortality rate between 30 to 40%. Thanks to new meds this number is now around 10%

The good news is I'm in the very early days of the disease and fortunately am already taking Imuran which is one of 3 main drugs they prescribe for this. In addition to the Imuran, depending on the disease activity, I will most likely be taking modest doses of prednisone and Imuran for the long term and a med called Mestinon which helps the transmission of the nerve impulses to the muscle. For most with MG, these meds become daily companions and depending on the course of their disease can do quite well.

Within about week after some blood test results come back, I will most likely have a CT or MRI scan of the chest to look at the thymus gland. The thymus gland while used while we are infants to develop our immune systems, later in life is supposed to go dormant, but in MG it plays a big role in confusing the immune system causing it to run amok. In adults the gland is located right near the heart in the chest cavity. If my blood work numbers are high enough and especially if the gland looks abnormal I will most likely be encouraged to have that removed. The 'fun' part, is that the thymus is in the chest cavity and basically that means opening the chest cavity like during open heart surgery.:shock: that would be an interesting scar to have to keep explaining. After removal though many see a significant improvement in their symptoms. I'll keep you up to date if this becomes a reality in the next few months.

The normal symptoms of this condition are problems with double vision, eye focus, leg, hip, hand and arm strength. So far I have experienced these symptoms but during a test of the medicine at the doctors office, I saw very quick relief. What I have noticed is that my legs get very weak by the end of day, to the point I can't move my leg up to tie my shoe and I'm tending to stumble a lot. Along with that I have had issues with my voice going out as that's related to the throat muscles....some have called that a real blessing!! :grin: I can't understand why....

The other symptoms that are common are facial muscle issues making it hard to smile and problems swollowing and finally problems breathing requiring hospitalization. I'm pretty confident that by getting on top of this early, I should be able to avoid the more problematic symptoms. The key is to be aggressive with good nutrition and the meds as soon as you can. Like multiple sclerosis once you have degraded its hard to get back to where you once were.

What I hope is that these symptoms improve and even go into remission, whats likely is that I will have good times and not so good times and that I need to learn how to pace myself, save my energies and listen to my body. For me its just another part of my journey and I just need to accept it as that. For those of you interested I found a really good website with all sorts of information on this topic. Here is a link to that site where several people who deal with this have shared their experiences....caution now these are Aussies :shock: you'll have to read their personal accounts with an accent :grin: :grin:

http://www.myasthenia.org.au/html/experiences.htm


Now given the run of 'luck' I have had these past few years I could easily get into a depressed, angry or self pitty mode, and I have done that a bit, but decided to choose what attitude I wanted to have.

What has helped tremendously these past months are some really wonderful and very patient friends. I would like to personally extend a very special thank you to Gabes and Polly for your friendship, council and simply putting up with me these last few months, it has made all of the difference....Thank you.

Of course I would be remiss in not saying how much each one of you have helped these past few years. Your posts, notes of encouragement reading about your journeys have meant the world to me.

Thanks to Tex for providing such a wonderful place as this, we all are truly fortunate.


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Wow, Joe, so sorry to hear about the MG. I've also got a disease with 10% mortality, but I'm quickly learning those figures may be outdated. I'm amazed by how many people live with these diseases for 10, 20, 40 decades. I am very hopeful that researchers are on the precipice of major discoveries regarding autoimmunity, and I am confident I will be a beneficiary of their research in my lifetime. Thanks for the update.
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Wow Joe. You certainly have more than your share to deal with. I hope nurse Nestle has been close by. Are you aware of Dr Terry Wahls? She has MS and used primarily a nutritional approach to not only control her disease but also to significantly reverse it. Perhaps her approach will be helpful for your condition. Here's her website:

http://www.terrywahls.com/

She eats a lot more fiber than most of us could deal with but her success is both impressive and inspirational. I've been eating a low carb diet for a long time. I will be interested in hearing about yours and, of course, how you are doing.

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Great resource Jean, thanks! She's as close to the diet we strive for as any celebrity doc (GF/DF/SF first, then paleo)
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Joe,

I'm really sorry that you now have another AI issue to deal with. I have a local friend whose wife has been dealing with MG for years, and she seems to be doing better now than she did several years ago, so apparently treatment methods are improving. I don't know if you are aware of this, but MG is one of the first AI diseases that was recognized as being associated with MC soon after MC was first described.

For anyone who is not familiar with the function of the thymus, it's possibly the most important organ in the body, as far as autoimmune issues are concerned (IMO). To offer a brief oversight of what it does to justify it's existence, here's what I say about it in my book:
The critical role played by the thymus
To prevent the immune system from attacking the body’s own cells, immune cells are trained to recognize self. The thymus is a very specialized organ in charge of producing and selecting T lymphocytes, (T cells). In the thymus, progenitor cells known as thymocytes are converted into T cells, and by a random generation process, they are each designed to attack a unique antigen. This conversion and training process is known as thymopoiesis.

In order to preserve recognition of self, epithelial cells in the thymus produce major proteins that mimic proteins from various organs from all over the body and the new T cells are exposed to these proteins. Any T cells that are found to attack the body’s own proteins, are eliminated in the thymus, by means of a programmed method of cell death (apoptosis).

It’s known that the function of the thymus peaks about the time of puberty, and as we age, its function continues to diminish and the organ tends to lose robustness. Research has shown that in conjunction with ageing, and particularly in conjunction with stress, various neuropeptides, hormones, and growth factors can influence the process of thymopoeisis.20
And here is reference 20:

20. Patel, K., & Taub, D. D. (2009). Role of neuropeptides, hormones, and growth factors in regulating thymopoiesis in middle to old age. F1000 Biology Reports, 1(1), 42. doi:10.3410/B1-42

Which can be found here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2924688/

So here is my point: Could corrupt functioning of the thymus be the cause of some/most/all autoimmune disease? I assume that for most people, as age increases, the thymus tends to simply produce progressively smaller quantities of T cells (but presumably those T cells function normally). But what if instead of simply producing fewer T cells, it fails to reject corrupt T cells (T cells that attack self)? That's the recipe for autoimmune disease.

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Joe, I am so sorry for all you're having to deal with. My hope and prayers that remission and cures are in your future. Deb
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Hi Zizzle, it is amazing whats happening in the area of autoimmune research. Dropping the mortality rate by 66% -75% is great! I do look forward to the results of the ongoing research. How long until you can get off of the prednisone?

Hello Jean how are you and Theo doing?? I will take a look at this doctors success story. Thanks for posting this. I will put together a separate post about the diet. Nurse Nestlé continues to live up to her name. I'm not sure how I would get by witout her.

Tex, great links and I will check out the full text article tommorow and post the results here.

Tex did your friend go through the thymectomy surgery?? I will have to admit going through surgery to have the gland removed is causing me some concern!! If so did the surgery help her?

My neurologist and I discussed the surgery yesterday and she is a proponent of it if the antibody levels are too high

Hi Deb how are you doing?? I'm sure all will work out in my world in the end, but I will say I'm getting tired of doctors pills and diagnosis....while at the same time am ever thankful that I have them all on my side!

This is one heck of a journey though.
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Wow, Joe, you seem to have won the AI lottery, and not in a good way. To add to Tex's comments about his friends wife who has MG, a friend has MG and she is doing well. There are ups and downs but she is significantly better than she was a few years ago. She had been an excellent tennis player and is able to play casually these days. This lady handles her MG with pragmatism and with a positive attitude.

You have a great sense of humor, Joe, and deal with your various AI issues intelligently. I wish you well and thank you for sharing so honestly with Potty family.

Wishing you the best and praying for good results,

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Joe wrote:Tex did your friend go through the thymectomy surgery?? I will have to admit going through essentally open heart surgery to have the gland removed is causing me some concern!! If so did the surgery help her?
Not that I'm aware of. As far as I'm aware, she has only taken drug treatments.

I have a Natural Resources Conservation Service district board meeting one week from tonight. He's also on the board, and he should be there, so I'll try to get more details about her treatment, and her current status.

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Joe, you are amazing! I am in awe of your positive approach to everything that has challenged you. Your outlook I'm sure is one of the main reasons you seem to be able to conquer and cope with such adversity. Thank you for sharing your journey with us and inspiring us to cope with life in such a strong, positive way. There are some special people in my life that seem to have more than their share to deal with. I believe you are one of those special people that teach and inspire the rest of us. You're in my thoughts and prayers. May you have the blessings and guidance you need to make the tough decisions ahead of you. I'm sure you will continue to amaze us all with your tenacity, courage, and good humor as you find your way to healing. Love JoAnn
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Hi Joe,

It's ironic that you decided to check in today as well. I am discouraged for you regarding your new diagnoses. It seems once the autoimmune system goes awry, one is susceptible to a variety of other conditions. I am glad you are on top of them though. AS can be a rough one. I know several people with it. Please take care of yourself. You always have such an upbeat attitude, Joe, and I have always admired that about you - especially in the face of adversity.

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Yow Joe. You are being hammered.. don't know what to day (a rare thing for me).

You're amazing. Your attitude. Your humor. I am in awe of you.

I am going to throw something at you without knowing if it's right or not. Have you thought of LDN? It's an immune system modulator. You need to read their website and see if it helps your conditions. I am almost certain you already did this...

lowdosenaltrexone.org

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Joe, you really do have the best attitude, and are an inspiration to all of us. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers, and hope that you will choose the best paths for healing.

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I have to mirror what everyone else is saying. Your attitude is incredible. I don't know if I could be as strong as you seem.
Please let us know of your progress. I will be thinking of you :)

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Joe,
What can I say that others haven't already said? You seem to be trying to collect as many diagnoses as you can. You are educating all of us in how to deal with them as gracefully as humanly possible. Amazing!
I would love to meet you because you are fast becoming one of my heroes.
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