research results - immune system attacking good gut bacteria

[tex]

Thanks for the suggestion to do a search, and yes, there are plenty of hits. But while I can find "tons" of "pseudoscience" articles written by individuals who promote an anti-GMO agenda, so far I haven't been able to locate a single validated (peer-reviewed) scientific research article to verify any transfer of DNA material from GMO food products to gut bacteria, such as is mentioned in that quote above. The internet is loaded with individuals who have formed organizations that have official-sounding names, that can be used as a front to promote their agenda (and to garner donations form naive supporters), but where's the legitimate science to back them up? Many of them throw around catchy phrases such as "horizontal gene transfer" in connection with GMO, as if it/they were a reality, but where are the data to back up those claims?

Horizontal gene transfer has always existed, probably since the beginning of time, but that has nothing to do with GMO processes.

http://www.yvm.net/vme/hgt/AnnuRevGenVo ... yr1994.PDF

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18591983

I did find a legitimate research article that verified that GMO characteristics are not transferred to soil bacteria found in soil used for
growing GMO corn. If it doesn't even affect soil bacteria that are in integral contact with the plant for the entire growing season, why would it affect gut bacteria?

Our study suggests that the nptII gene was relatively rare in the soil bacterial populations and there was no evidence of gene transfer from a GM corn plant to soil bacteria based on the data from total soil bacterial communities.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21722080

I'm not a fan of GMO either, but if I'm going to "dis" it, I'd like to at least do so on the basis of legitimate facts, rather than using fabricated claims based on assumptions and falsehoods.

Tex

[Zizzle]

Illegal Round-up resistant GM wheat found in Oregon field. Could GM wheat be sneaking into our food supply too?

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/inde ... eat_f.html

[tex]

Could GM wheat be sneaking into our food supply too?

Essentially, "No". Soft wheat isn't suitable for baking bread or other baked goods (it doesn't contain enough gluten), so the relatively small amount of soft wheat consumed in this country is basically used as a feed grain, for livestock rations. The lion's share of it is exported. If a grain elevator or a grain inspector catches a farmer with any white wheat in a load of hard wheat, the load is rejected, and the farmer is in trouble, because white wheat has a much lower market value than hard wheat.

And it certainly couldn't be sneaking into the food supply of most of us here, because we don't eat wheat. Remember? Any member here who does eat wheat, has worse problems than GMO concerns.

Tex

[Deb]

And it certainly couldn't be sneaking into the food supply of most of us here, because we don't eat wheat. Remember? Any member here who does eat wheat, has worse problems than GMO concerns.

However, I have family members that are still eating wheat and I worry about them.

[tex]

However, I have family members that are still eating wheat and I worry about them.

So do I, but the odds of them eating any soft wheat are slim to none.

Tex

[Deb]

I used to buy soft white wheat flour to use when I wanted a more tender product (cake, pie crust)etc. Also I wonder about all that is exported. I used to also enjoy Japanese noodles (soba and udon) and though soba is mainly buckwheat some wheat is often added. I even wonder about ramen noodles.
???

[tex]

Deb,

I understand what you're saying, but IMO (and this is indeed only my opinion) you're overlooking the forest because you are only seeing the trees. The point is that wheat is a "food" (at least many people think of it as food) that is extremely hazardous to long-term health, for virtually everyone, not just those who show clinical symptoms when they eat it. Dr. Fasano's research shows that when wheat gluten is ingested, the tight junctions in the intestines widen for everyone (not just those thought to be sensitive to gluten), and with continuing exposure, over time, the junctions tend to open wider.

The addition of wheat to the human diet coincides with the origins of cancer and many other "modern" diseases that have been the bane of the human race ever since.

So my point is that for anyone who chooses to eat wheat, GMO is the least of their problems. It's a moot point (as far as wheat is concerned).

I do feel that GMO may be a valid concern for many other foods, but not for wheat, because wheat has shown long-term toxicity for human health from the first day that it was "created". Remember that wheat was originally created by a crude version of a GMO process — wheat is a hybrid, and in order to create it, not just one, but two crosses were necessary.

Tex

[Deb]

Gotcha!

[Eric]

Bumping this thread in the hopes of getting Eric's attention. Did you ever try FMT?

Sorry, been away from the board for a while. To be clear, my spouse has MC and I've wanted to try this procedure as the donor. We've considered it for some time but have been hesitant as most doctors don't recommend it. Even Dr. Khoruts, one of the GIs commonly seen, along with Dr. Borody and others, in recent literature, told us not to do it unless we had a positive C diff diagnosis. Well, my wife now has C diff so we are pressing forward with the support of the medical community. My samples have been sent off and as soon as they come back, assuming they're clean, we will give it a try. We don't know if she had C diff all along or if this is something new that popped up. I think it was her eighth C diff test. But since her MC popped up after 30 weeks of antibiotic use, many suspected C diff as the culprit.

There is a GI in town who now advertises his services for this procedure so we have an appt scheduled with him as well. My wife's main doc wants the GI to do it so he can implant the stool at the terminal ileum and through the large intestine. We'll probably start on our own and still have the GI do it since we can't get in to see him for a few weeks.

We'll keep everyone posted.