Diet Coke

Deb · Post by **Deb** » Wed May 22, 2013 11:57 am

Shar, years ago when I quit drinking soda I drank sparkling waters that had a touch of fruit flavor in them. It seemed to help that craving for the fizz. It didn't take too long after that to make the transition to regular water. My daily treat now is kombucha tea.

Post by **tex** » Wed May 22, 2013 9:10 pm

Linda,

Please be aware that not all of us are as fortunate as Zizzle's daughter. We have a number of members who have been unable to achieve remission because of one or more foods in their diet that contained soy lecithin (chocolate is a common problem, for example). After they substituted a version that was free of soy lecithin, they promptly went into remission. That also applies to soy oil, even the small amounts found in vitamin supplements, for example.

Also, remember that Zizzle is being treated with prednisone to control her dermatomyositis, and that treatment should easily mast minor exposures to most food sensitivities.

Tex

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Wed May 22, 2013 10:02 pm

Sorry, don't mean to send everyone out on a soy binge. I'm actually having food reactions again, as I'm down to 8 mgs of prednisone (the replacement dose is 5 mg). Gluten cross-contamination reactions are the same as I remember them (bloating and frothy, malodorous D for less than a day). No regular D yet, mostly normans, although my abdomen is larger now then when I was on higher doses of pred. I assume that means my colon may be inflamed again? I've been lax on the GF irritants - too much fruit, salad, raw veggies, and GF bread.

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Thu May 23, 2013 12:01 pm

Analysis of green tea...don't get chinese green tea and don't eat the leaves! They may contain lead!

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/2 ... green-tea/

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:22 pm

Comparing Teavana gyokoro with Lipton and Bigelow is like comparing a Yugo with a Mercedes. Teavana also sells Chinese looseleaf teas that would be as select as gyokoro, one of the most expensive Japanese teas. In other words another badly designed study from which no broad generalizations can be made.

Jean

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Wed May 29, 2013 2:19 pm

In case you need even more reasons to stop the soda habit. It corrodes your teeth as badly as crystal meth!!

http://www.wtop.com/267/3339990/Diet-so ... tudy-finds

Christine. · Post by **Christine.** » Wed May 29, 2013 6:53 pm

Interesting....I never buy products that contain soy oil or lecithin, but I know I eat it occasionally in salad dressings and other foods and I don't react to it. Nonetheless, I wonder if the lack of reaction means it is ok to eat or could it be doing damage, since I know soy is a big no no for me.
Chris

Sheila · Post by **Sheila** » Wed May 29, 2013 7:54 pm

Thanks for posting that question, Chris. I have the same issue. I know I occasionally consume soy and/or soy lecithin when eating out. There doesn't seem to be any reaction and I attribute that to the 3 mg of budesinide I take every other day. Am I doing damage when I occasionally eat a small amount of soy or dairy or plain eggs?

Sheila W

Post by **tex** » Wed May 29, 2013 8:58 pm

Research shows that in mice at least, tolerance as indicated by a lack of clinical symptoms does not rule out intestinal damage. OIT stands for "oral immunotherapy".

CONCLUSION: Our mouse model would be useful to investigate inflammatory and regulatory mechanisms in food-induced intestinal allergies. Our results suggest potential gastrointestinal inflammation in patients undergoing OIT as continuous administration of allergenic foods, even though the therapy may induce clinical tolerance.

Oral tolerance induction does not resolve gastrointestinal inflammation in a mouse model of food allergy.

I take that to imply that if we produce antibodies to a food, then a lack of clinical symptoms does not rule out intestinal damage, if we continue to eat it.

Tex

Christine. · Post by **Christine.** » Wed May 29, 2013 9:31 pm

I would be willing to bet that there are many people who have sensitivities to foods but since they have never had clinical symptoms they have never been tested. If this is true, and If they do not suffer from mc or other related diseases, and if they continue to ingest the foods that produce antibodies, would they do damage to their intestines over time? Or is it only we lucky ones that risk intentional damage?

Post by **tex** » Wed May 29, 2013 10:02 pm

Chris,

I believe that you are quite correct, and those are tough questions, but I have a hunch that we are not the only ones who are accumulating hidden damage. I stopped eating all dairy products a little over a year ago, because I discovered that I produce antibodies to casein (even though I couldn't detect any clinical symptoms).

Hidden damage of this type (in otherwise normal people) is bound to generate inflammation, which sets the stage for the possible development of autoimmune-type diseases, later in life.

Tex

Sheila · Post by **Sheila** » Thu May 30, 2013 7:44 am

It would resemble a chain collision. One intolerance or allergy not perceived causes inflammation that triggers yet another intolerance and so on and so on. We have all of these genes lying in wait to pounce when their particular trigger is activated. As we get older, these genes begin to activate and we end up with all sorts of autoimmune issues. Thanks, Tex. That was a little light bulb moment for me.

Sheila W

Post by **tex** » Thu May 30, 2013 11:30 am

Hi Sheila,

When I was a kid (back when they were still trying to figure out if dinosaurs were actually extinct, or just candidates for the endangered species list

, I mostly assumed that I was invincible, and I never wasted any time worrying about the dangers of taking risks. I didn't take any ridiculously dangerous chances, of course, but I don't recall the hazards of long-term health risks ever crossing my mind, back in those halcyon days of youth.

As we get older, it eventually dawns on us that the old Dutch saying that most of us heard at one time or another when we were growing up, “Ve get too soon oldt, und too late schmart!”, is right on target. When I was a kid, I thought it was just a joke.

You're most welcome,
Tex

Deb · Post by **Deb** » Thu May 30, 2013 3:50 pm

LOL.

“Ve get too soon oldt, und too late schmart!”, is right on target. When I was a kid, I thought it was just a joke.

We had a copy of that at my house as a youngster. I always thought it was from my Norwegian grandpa!

Christine. · Post by **Christine.** » Thu May 30, 2013 4:51 pm

Holy cow. You know I feel oddly lucky to know just a little bit (thanks to this forum) about how gut health has an impact on overall health. Is there so much money to be made in processed, additive- infused foods that research in this area is not moving ahead at lightening speed? How many people over 40 (and under) must develop autoimmune responses before we see widespread acceptance of diet modification?

On another personal note, it is good to get back to the potty people. Although I feel lucky to be in remission I am now spending half a year in Missouri at Lake of the Ozarks. (Very different for a So. Cal. born and bred girl). The grocery stores have more gluten free foods than at home....no problems cooking. But just try to go out....EVERYTHING is battered and fried in "vegetable " oil. There are quite a few people that have Celiac Disease that I have met without trying. I think years of the catfish and hush puppies regimen have taken their toll in this area.
Chris