Histamines/meat

[robinc2525]

I am trying to figure out if histamines are an issue for me. I am confused about meat and cooking it and when to freeze, etc. So, if I cook some turkey burgers for example, how long do I have to eat them before they need to be frozen? Like if I had one for lunch could I put one in the fridge for dinner on that same day?

Also, is the meat (raw in the fridge) okay until it is cooked and then that it when it is important that it goes in the freezer? Or do I need to come home from the grocery store and put all meat immediately in the freezer? I am so confused!

[Leah]

I know what you mean. I am trying to do the same thing. Right now, I am concentrating on meat that is already cooked. Once it is cooked ( which brings the internal temperature up), it should be frozen. i have not been freezing fresh meat because i much prefer cooking it from the fresh state. However, when it comes to burgers, you can form all your patties, wrap individually, and freeze them. i cook them right from the frozen state on lower heat. it takes about ten minutes longer then a fresh one.

Are you also watching all the other high histamine foods?

I am also taking Histame ( DAO) to help my body rid itself of the histamines.

let us know how it goes.

leah

[tex]

Robin C.,

Here is my theory on histamine generation in food:

According to my theory, virtually all histamines in food are by-products of the growth of molds and fungi. Mold and fungus spores are ubiquitous, so all food is exposed to them. The best that we can hope to do is to limit the propagation of molds and fungi on our food, because we will never be able to avoid them completely.

All fresh foods (especially meats) have a very high moisture content that is very favorable for the propagation of molds and fungi. That growth is modulated by ambient temperature and moisture, and in general, the higher the temp and surface moisture levels, the faster the molds/fungi will grow. Therefore, refrigeration will retard the growth of these organisms, but temps below zero Fahrenheit are necessary to effectively arrest additional growth. That's why storage in the refrigerator for more than a few hours is problematic for many of us who are sensitive to histamines, and/or have mast cell issues. And that's why dried fruits are so high in histamines — they all mold as they are drying. Freeze-drying would probably significantly reduce the problem.

Tex

[robinc2525]

Thank you for your explanation Tex. That makes sense. You are so helpful.

Leah, so do you keep your uncooked meat in the fridge, cook it for meals as needed, then freeze leftovers after they are cooked?

In response to your question about other histamine foods...I am only eating a few foods right now that I shouldn't react to and it literally just dawned on me this morning that maybe histamines are an issue for me. When I started looking into the histamine issue, I noticed fish is a big one. I had been noticing that I would have reactions or go "downhill" after eating scallops or tuna steaks. I couldn't figure out why! As I was reading about histamines I was thinking of how I cook so much meat (usually turkey/chicken) at once in advance so I have breakfast/lunches for 3-4 days at a time. I am very curious to try this out and see if this is what is keeping me from feeling better. If you don't mind me asking, what is the histamine supplement you are taking and where do you get it? Thank you :)

[Leah]

I do keep my uncooked meat in the fridge. i try not to cook too much at once. Any left overs I let my daughter and husband have over the next couple of days.

i first bought the DAO ( histamine) supplement on line from Swanson (DAOsin). 14.99 plus shipping for 30. it went fast since when I first tried it, I was trying to feel better quickly and took it with each meal. Then i ordered "Seeking Health histamine block" from Amazon. it has a higher concentration, so I am taking less of it, but it was 52.95 for 60. No shipping. i'm feeling better and i think a bonus to all of this is that my thyroid is functioning better. My temperature is now consistently higher ( almost normal).

Good luck
leah

[robinc2525]

Thank you Leah!

[ldubois7]

Leah...if pork was a moderate reaction on Enterolab testing, would you try a DAO supplement (it's made from pig)?

I always have low temperature, too and never was diagnosed with a thyroid issue (my mom does have this issue, though).

[Gloria]

Robin,
I don't keep any meat in the refrigerator. It goes into the freezer as soon as I buy it. I thaw it when I'm ready to cook it and then freeze the leftovers right after I'm done eating. I don't eat any fish because I tested high on most of it on the MRT test.

Gloria

[Leah]

I just don't know Linda. Are you not eating pork right now? Maybe you should try to eat pork and see if you react first. If you are fine, then you might be ok with the DAO.

leah

[wmonique2]

Tex,

You know I eliminated all dried fruits from my diet for months until recently. You know that list of histamine foods that Jean posted (the best one yet)? To my surprise and shock, raisins and dates are 0, prunes are 1 (this on a scale of 0-3, 3 being the highest level of histamine and should be avoided completely).

So, I reinstituted the zeros...


Monique

[ldubois7]

Lucky you, Monique! I have so many recipes that sweeten with dates! Dates are high in salicylic acid, and I have to avoid that!
What is a histamine liberator? It is L on the list?

Leah... I have not been eating pork :( Not sure if I should give it a whirl or not?

[tex]

So, I reinstituted the zeros...

Cool!

What is a histamine liberator? It is L on the list?

That's a food that triggers the release of histamines in the body. IOW, it promotes the inappropriate degranulation of mast cells.

Tex

[ldubois7]

So, liberators are not good. Stay clear of the liberators. Ugh.