I have eliminated Gluten Jan 6th
Rice July 20th
As far as Gluten although I cut it out of my diet I know I had some due to cross contamination. Its amazing like some foods Hersey bar in regular size has no Gluten, but miniatures they due. I have been very careful over the past month to get no Gluten
Something has really bother me over the past few weeks. I had stomach aches off and on, but had one for four days straight last week. I don't have d or c, just stomach issues
Test results
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 10 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 5 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 4 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Food toward which you displayed most immunologic reactivity: Rice
Food for which there was no significant immunologic reactivity: Chicken, Tuna, Oat, Corn, Pork, Walnut, Beef, White potato, Cashew, Almond
Here are all the things I have eaten over the past month
BF
Corn chex with Almond milk protein shake with Metrix protein GF
GF pancake mix (no rice) Lite aunt Jemima syrup web sites states GL protein shake with Metrix
Eggs with cheddar cheese
GF oatmeal (red mill)
Yogurt
Lunch
Chicken for lunch with GF Tostitos corn chips
Chick Fila grilled chicken no bun. and GF fried French fries Heinz ketchup GF per web site
7 ounce hamburger
Dinner
chick with a slice of cheese on it baked potato or oven baked French fries.
Boston Market chicken
Hamburger no bun with a slice of cheese
Pork tenderloin
I believe that one or more than one of the following are the issue (to much sugar?)
Have a 12 ounce sprite or gator aide on most days helps add calories as I have lost too much weight.
Possibly too much cheese or dairy although I was ok with Casein
GF chocolate (piece of chocolate or Nutella spread) hard candy or tootsie roll
GF Kettle corn popcorn (one of my favorite)
Possible issue with too fatty meats like sausage or beacon with my eggs.
I read that sugar are poorly absorbed in the small intestine bacteria ferment them.
Can I be ok with Casein, but the sugar from Lactose be a problem.
Any thoughts would ne appreciated as my stomach has made my life pretty miserable.
Thankyou
Diet issues any help appricated
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Hi Doug,
Yes, even though you might not be sensitive to casein, if your intestine is inflamed, then you will automatically be lactose intolerant until the inflammation subsides.
2 Possibilities to explain your dilemma come to mind:
1. There's a bug going around that can cause a belly ache, with no other significant symptoms (such as nausea, D, etc.). At least it's been a problem around here, in Central Texas.
2. Looking at your test results, even though you scored a 10 on one test item, it's possible that you might have selective IgA deficiency. Have you ever been tested to see if you produce normal amounts of immunoglobulin A? You might be producing some, just not enough to show a normal response to ELISA tests for IgA antibodies. It's a simple blood test that your PCP can do. We have a number of members who have the problem. It's claimed that 1 in 300 people in the general population have selective IgA deficiency (or 1 in 500, depending on whose research you go by), but it seems to be more common among people who are sensitive to gluten.
Tex
Yes, even though you might not be sensitive to casein, if your intestine is inflamed, then you will automatically be lactose intolerant until the inflammation subsides.
2 Possibilities to explain your dilemma come to mind:
1. There's a bug going around that can cause a belly ache, with no other significant symptoms (such as nausea, D, etc.). At least it's been a problem around here, in Central Texas.
2. Looking at your test results, even though you scored a 10 on one test item, it's possible that you might have selective IgA deficiency. Have you ever been tested to see if you produce normal amounts of immunoglobulin A? You might be producing some, just not enough to show a normal response to ELISA tests for IgA antibodies. It's a simple blood test that your PCP can do. We have a number of members who have the problem. It's claimed that 1 in 300 people in the general population have selective IgA deficiency (or 1 in 500, depending on whose research you go by), but it seems to be more common among people who are sensitive to gluten.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex
Yes, I was tested and my results were normal for that. Immunoglobulin A 197 range is 81 -463
Is there anything in the foods that I have been having that could be a big problem
Also
If you already have MC which I do, would a proton prohibitor not be helpful if you have excess acid in your stomach? My stomach is really my only issue, a big one though
Yes, I was tested and my results were normal for that. Immunoglobulin A 197 range is 81 -463
Is there anything in the foods that I have been having that could be a big problem
Also
If you already have MC which I do, would a proton prohibitor not be helpful if you have excess acid in your stomach? My stomach is really my only issue, a big one though
Doug,
Your test results should be reliable, based on your IgA test level. Soft cheeses can contain a lot of lactose, but hard (aged) cheeses and yogurt should contain very little lactose, certainly not enough to cause any lactose intolerance problems. Unlike casein sensitivity, with lactose intolerance, you don't have to be concerned about small amounts, because virtually everyone who is lactose-intolerant still produces enough lactase enzyme to digest at least a cup or 2 of milk. It's large quantities that cause problems.
Exactly what type of stomach pain are you experiencing? Does the pain remind you of heartburn/indigestion, that seems to be worse following a meal, or is it more like a steady burning pain? How would you describe it?
Tex
Your test results should be reliable, based on your IgA test level. Soft cheeses can contain a lot of lactose, but hard (aged) cheeses and yogurt should contain very little lactose, certainly not enough to cause any lactose intolerance problems. Unlike casein sensitivity, with lactose intolerance, you don't have to be concerned about small amounts, because virtually everyone who is lactose-intolerant still produces enough lactase enzyme to digest at least a cup or 2 of milk. It's large quantities that cause problems.
Exactly what type of stomach pain are you experiencing? Does the pain remind you of heartburn/indigestion, that seems to be worse following a meal, or is it more like a steady burning pain? How would you describe it?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
three real symptoms that vary
I eat feeling good and then two hours later I feel really bloated. although aggravating feeling little pain.
Tightness or uncomfortable feeling behind my rib cage and I taste like a little mucus in my throat (not acidy but mucus) Possible indigestion gerd?
Third and by far the worst. I get stomach pains like a stomach ache from my belly button up to about three inches higher. I also have frequently urinate. and get chills some times or run a slight fever. Form what I have read on this board it could ne undigested sugar in my intestines.
I cant stress this enough that although diagnose with MC I do not get d or c (d like two times a year). Some times I think I must have a mild case of MC (based on limited entrolab results and no c or d) but have a some other issue that none of the doctors around hear can figure out.
any thoughts the stomach issues is pretty much ruining my life.
Doug
I eat feeling good and then two hours later I feel really bloated. although aggravating feeling little pain.
Tightness or uncomfortable feeling behind my rib cage and I taste like a little mucus in my throat (not acidy but mucus) Possible indigestion gerd?
Third and by far the worst. I get stomach pains like a stomach ache from my belly button up to about three inches higher. I also have frequently urinate. and get chills some times or run a slight fever. Form what I have read on this board it could ne undigested sugar in my intestines.
I cant stress this enough that although diagnose with MC I do not get d or c (d like two times a year). Some times I think I must have a mild case of MC (based on limited entrolab results and no c or d) but have a some other issue that none of the doctors around hear can figure out.
any thoughts the stomach issues is pretty much ruining my life.
Doug
Doug,
2 hours is approximately how long it takes for food in a moist warm environment to begin spoiling. Remember, I'm not a medical practitioner, so I can't offer medical advice, but if I were in your shoes, I would suspect that I might not be producing enough stomach acid to properly initiate the digestive process, and because of that, the food is mostly just sitting there and spoiling, rather than moving along at a normal rate from one digestive process to the next.
There's a low-priced OTC remedy available that will prompt the parietal cells in the stomach to produce more acid, so that digestion can proceed at a more normal rate. It's known as Betaine HCL. You could try it, to see if it helps, but if it causes a burning sensation instead, discontinue using it. For instructions on how to determine an optimum dose, please read the thread at the following link. I have a hunch this will remedy your digestive problems. The method for determining the proper dose is in post number 7 (by Marcia {mzh}), but some of the remarks in other posts may be helpful, also.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16957
When a patient sees a doctor with complaints about indigestion or heartburn, or reflux, the doctor almost always writes out a prescription for a proton pump inhibitor, to drastically reduce the ability of the stomach to produce acid. And for a while, at least, the patient usually feels better, because with virtually no acid in their stomach, if they have a reflux episode, there is no burning sensation in their throat, so they assume that is good. But actually, it's bad, because research shows that the greater the acidity level of the stomach, the tighter the lower esophageal sphincter (LES) will clinch, to prevent any backflow of stomach contents into the esophatus. And conversely, the less acidity available, the less-tightly the LES will clinch, and the more likely that reflux will occur (but it won't be painful, because of the low acidity).
As a result, PPIs make acid reflux problems worse, by weakening the LES over time, so that it slowly loses it's clamping strength. If a patient tries to stop using a PPI, they can't — because of the rebound effect caused by the PPI. Once a PPI is discontinued, the stomach will produce more acid than it did initially, and the LES will not be able to prevent backflow leakage, so the result is guaranteed GERD. IOW, PPIs cause the very issue that they are prescribed to prevent.
If I were in your shoes, I would experiment with Betaine HCL, to see if it will help to alleviate the discomfort you are having after eating.
The frequent urination problem is something that some of us with MC experience. I had the problem whenever I was having the most serious reaction flares. I have a hunch that it's MC-induced interstitial cystitis, because the inflammation of the bladder appears to follow the same pattern as the inflammation of the intestines, associated with MC. The fact that you have it suggests to me that your intestines are probably highly inflamed, despite the absence of D or C, because the bladder issue is typically only associated with more severe MC reactions (I'm only guessing, of course, based on my own experiences and the experiences of other members here, but there are no published medical research data on any of this).
This is just a thought, but if your bladder symptoms are always (or very frequently) present, rather than just occasionally (as was the case with me), treating the interstitial cystitis might be very beneficial for your GI (MC) symptoms. IOW, if the inflammation in your bladder never relents, this could be the primary driving force behind the inflammation in your intestines and stomach. It might be helpful to see what your doctor thinks about this issue (though I can virtually guarantee that no doctor is likely to be willing to admit that IC might be associated with MC, because there is no published research to substantiate such a claim).
Tex
2 hours is approximately how long it takes for food in a moist warm environment to begin spoiling. Remember, I'm not a medical practitioner, so I can't offer medical advice, but if I were in your shoes, I would suspect that I might not be producing enough stomach acid to properly initiate the digestive process, and because of that, the food is mostly just sitting there and spoiling, rather than moving along at a normal rate from one digestive process to the next.
There's a low-priced OTC remedy available that will prompt the parietal cells in the stomach to produce more acid, so that digestion can proceed at a more normal rate. It's known as Betaine HCL. You could try it, to see if it helps, but if it causes a burning sensation instead, discontinue using it. For instructions on how to determine an optimum dose, please read the thread at the following link. I have a hunch this will remedy your digestive problems. The method for determining the proper dose is in post number 7 (by Marcia {mzh}), but some of the remarks in other posts may be helpful, also.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16957
When a patient sees a doctor with complaints about indigestion or heartburn, or reflux, the doctor almost always writes out a prescription for a proton pump inhibitor, to drastically reduce the ability of the stomach to produce acid. And for a while, at least, the patient usually feels better, because with virtually no acid in their stomach, if they have a reflux episode, there is no burning sensation in their throat, so they assume that is good. But actually, it's bad, because research shows that the greater the acidity level of the stomach, the tighter the lower esophageal sphincter (LES) will clinch, to prevent any backflow of stomach contents into the esophatus. And conversely, the less acidity available, the less-tightly the LES will clinch, and the more likely that reflux will occur (but it won't be painful, because of the low acidity).
As a result, PPIs make acid reflux problems worse, by weakening the LES over time, so that it slowly loses it's clamping strength. If a patient tries to stop using a PPI, they can't — because of the rebound effect caused by the PPI. Once a PPI is discontinued, the stomach will produce more acid than it did initially, and the LES will not be able to prevent backflow leakage, so the result is guaranteed GERD. IOW, PPIs cause the very issue that they are prescribed to prevent.
If I were in your shoes, I would experiment with Betaine HCL, to see if it will help to alleviate the discomfort you are having after eating.
The frequent urination problem is something that some of us with MC experience. I had the problem whenever I was having the most serious reaction flares. I have a hunch that it's MC-induced interstitial cystitis, because the inflammation of the bladder appears to follow the same pattern as the inflammation of the intestines, associated with MC. The fact that you have it suggests to me that your intestines are probably highly inflamed, despite the absence of D or C, because the bladder issue is typically only associated with more severe MC reactions (I'm only guessing, of course, based on my own experiences and the experiences of other members here, but there are no published medical research data on any of this).
This is just a thought, but if your bladder symptoms are always (or very frequently) present, rather than just occasionally (as was the case with me), treating the interstitial cystitis might be very beneficial for your GI (MC) symptoms. IOW, if the inflammation in your bladder never relents, this could be the primary driving force behind the inflammation in your intestines and stomach. It might be helpful to see what your doctor thinks about this issue (though I can virtually guarantee that no doctor is likely to be willing to admit that IC might be associated with MC, because there is no published research to substantiate such a claim).
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Doug,
You probably don't want to hear this, but I would be suspicious of many of the fast food/processed foods that you are eating, and the amount of sugar, as you mentioned. You may tolerate the major proteins involved, but most have a dizzying array of other ingredients that you might react to, not to mention questionable frying oils. Have you looked at the ingredients in Chick-Fil-A's grilled chicken? It contains more chemicals than chicken! I would replace your Aunt Jemima syrup (highly processed corn syrup) with real maple syrup. Try buying organic corn chips instead of Tostitos, to see if GMO corn might be an issue for you. Standard corn chips give me a belly ache, organic ones don't, go figure. Try replacing that Sprite with a beverage containing less HFCS. Food dyes in Gatorade might be an issue for you too.
You probably don't want to hear this, but I would be suspicious of many of the fast food/processed foods that you are eating, and the amount of sugar, as you mentioned. You may tolerate the major proteins involved, but most have a dizzying array of other ingredients that you might react to, not to mention questionable frying oils. Have you looked at the ingredients in Chick-Fil-A's grilled chicken? It contains more chemicals than chicken! I would replace your Aunt Jemima syrup (highly processed corn syrup) with real maple syrup. Try buying organic corn chips instead of Tostitos, to see if GMO corn might be an issue for you. Standard corn chips give me a belly ache, organic ones don't, go figure. Try replacing that Sprite with a beverage containing less HFCS. Food dyes in Gatorade might be an issue for you too.
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Way too much sugar. Yogurt has lactose. Zizzle is right. You are taking a risk when you eat any fast food or processed food. First, I would SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your sugar ( like down to 15 gms. a day) and see if that helps. Then start looking at all the GF processed foods. They have a lot of ingredients.
Leah
Leah
Tex
I read up on Interstitial Crystitis and the Google article talked about it be a caused of IBS among other things, so that is a possibility. I have an apt with my doctor on Friday, I was also considering seeing a Urologist I figure it couldn't hurt. I have had a pain on my left center side just below my rib cage. Is that too high for a kidney issue or bladder?
Secondly-- I drank from a water bottle that I use when biking or after the gym. I have noticed a correlation between using this bottle and feeling bloated afterward, and this might be the cause of some of my stomach issues. Is sucking too much air consistent with stomach craps and bloating.
Third-- anyone every have a hydrogen test. Something a nurse friend mentioned to me.
Fourth-- too much sugar could be an issue. I may over stated the sugar I have. I only have a 12 ounce can of sprite like every third day, and gatoraid is only usually when I bike ride on longer rides 40 plus.
Giving up chick Fila would suck though I enjoy taking my kids there, it is about the only fun eating thing left.
Thanks for any thoughts.
I read up on Interstitial Crystitis and the Google article talked about it be a caused of IBS among other things, so that is a possibility. I have an apt with my doctor on Friday, I was also considering seeing a Urologist I figure it couldn't hurt. I have had a pain on my left center side just below my rib cage. Is that too high for a kidney issue or bladder?
Secondly-- I drank from a water bottle that I use when biking or after the gym. I have noticed a correlation between using this bottle and feeling bloated afterward, and this might be the cause of some of my stomach issues. Is sucking too much air consistent with stomach craps and bloating.
Third-- anyone every have a hydrogen test. Something a nurse friend mentioned to me.
Fourth-- too much sugar could be an issue. I may over stated the sugar I have. I only have a 12 ounce can of sprite like every third day, and gatoraid is only usually when I bike ride on longer rides 40 plus.
Giving up chick Fila would suck though I enjoy taking my kids there, it is about the only fun eating thing left.
Thanks for any thoughts.
That seems a bit out of range for a bladder problem, but it's in the ballpark area for a kidney problem. Do you know (from a colonoscopy exam pathology report) whether you might have any diverticula? Diverticulitis involves the same pattern of inflammation as LC (and interstitial cystitis). Diverticulitis usually causes D and intense pain, though.Doug wrote:I have had a pain on my left center side just below my rib cage. Is that too high for a kidney issue or bladder?
Yes, swallowing air while eating or drinking can cause bloating, because one of the problems with MC is that we often can't burp when we need to. Swallowing excess amounts of air doesn't necessarily cause cramps, but I suppose it's possible that it might.
I've never had a hydrogen breath test, but a fair number of members here have. Those tests were developed for people who eat a normal, western diet. Since those test results depend on the balance of bacteria in an otherwise normal, healthy gut, IMO the results are often confounded simply because with MC, we eat an abnormal diet, so our bacterial balance will automatically be altered because of our diet, thus skewing the results. Some people trust the results, though.
Sugar problems are dose-dependent, and we all probably have varying thresholds above which we may run into trouble. Fructose seems to be the worst problem for most of us. For example, when I was recovering I could drink a single coke during a day, without any problems. If I drank 2 though, it would cause D.
It's been over 10 years since I've eaten anything from Chick-Fil-A, so I'm not at all familiar with the ingredients in their food. I understand that a lot of it is GF (except for buns, of course), but I know nothing of the other ingredients.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Soda/ Pop Pancreatic Cancer Risk! (Dr. Oz show)
Drinking Soda Increases Pancreatic Cancer Risk
Dr. Sarah Thayer, Director of Pancreatic Cancer Research at Massachusetts General Hospital comes to the show to talk about the things that increase your risk for developing pancreatic cancer. She says drinking just two sodas a week can increase your chances of developing pancreatic cancer by 87%. If you drink soda more frequently than that, the risk goes up even more.
Sugar Content in Two Cans of Soda
Dr. Oz shows how the pancreas works to release insulin into the body, and then adds 78 grams of sugar (the amount found in two cans) to the mix. The pancreas cannot handle this influx, and goes into overdrive. He recommends cutting your soda intake to one per week, and to save it for special occasions. He cautions against drinking more than one alcoholic beverage per day, because increased alcohol consumption can also increase your risk for developing pancreatic cancer.
Dr. Sarah Thayer, Director of Pancreatic Cancer Research at Massachusetts General Hospital comes to the show to talk about the things that increase your risk for developing pancreatic cancer. She says drinking just two sodas a week can increase your chances of developing pancreatic cancer by 87%. If you drink soda more frequently than that, the risk goes up even more.
Sugar Content in Two Cans of Soda
Dr. Oz shows how the pancreas works to release insulin into the body, and then adds 78 grams of sugar (the amount found in two cans) to the mix. The pancreas cannot handle this influx, and goes into overdrive. He recommends cutting your soda intake to one per week, and to save it for special occasions. He cautions against drinking more than one alcoholic beverage per day, because increased alcohol consumption can also increase your risk for developing pancreatic cancer.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor and don't play one on TV.
LDN July 18, 2014
Joan
LDN July 18, 2014
Joan
Doug,
I spend a lot of time in front of a computer too. There's little doubt that it can cause vision problems and wrist problems (carpel tunnel), though I have managed to avoid those problems by taking a break now and then and using a wrist support. I find a comfortable chair to be important for preventing lower back pain and/or sciatic nerve pain, but I've never considered it to be a risk for stomach pain. Someone more knowledgeable about physiology than I would need to address that question.
Tex
I spend a lot of time in front of a computer too. There's little doubt that it can cause vision problems and wrist problems (carpel tunnel), though I have managed to avoid those problems by taking a break now and then and using a wrist support. I find a comfortable chair to be important for preventing lower back pain and/or sciatic nerve pain, but I've never considered it to be a risk for stomach pain. Someone more knowledgeable about physiology than I would need to address that question.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Doug. Ok, being a personal trainer and nutrition specialist, I just have to pipe in. All fast food should be banned. There is an article I just read from Mother Jones called "Happy Microbes, Skinny Jeans". There have been scientific reading ( Dr. Paresh Dandona) of what happens in our systems when we eat just one Mc Donalds Meal.... INFLAMMATION!.... Systemic inflammation shot up within minutes of eating the meal!
When it comes to reusable water bottles, if it's not the air you are swallowing, it could be that you have bacteria growing in the bottle. Give the bottle and lid a good bleaching and see if that helps.
When it comes to soda and gatorade, they both ( I believe) have not only too much sugar, but citric acid. Many of us here have problems with this additive and it's especially bad for bladder cystitis ( anything acid will irritate).
Think Twice before you eat or drink processed foods. they just aren't good for ANYONE AT ALL!
Leah
When it comes to reusable water bottles, if it's not the air you are swallowing, it could be that you have bacteria growing in the bottle. Give the bottle and lid a good bleaching and see if that helps.
When it comes to soda and gatorade, they both ( I believe) have not only too much sugar, but citric acid. Many of us here have problems with this additive and it's especially bad for bladder cystitis ( anything acid will irritate).
Think Twice before you eat or drink processed foods. they just aren't good for ANYONE AT ALL!
Leah