Yeast and MC

nancyl · Post by **nancyl** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:57 am

I am curious if anyone has been tested for any kind of yeast such as candida having a connection with MC. My nutritionist mentioned this to me last night. I mentioned it to my GI doc a while back and he just shrugged it off.

Nancy

irisheyes13 · Post by **irisheyes13** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:19 am

Nancy,

I believe Kari had a problem with Candida at one point so hopefully she will see your post and elaborate. I know it has been something that I had suspected and brought it up with a few doctors and they shrugged it off as well. From my experience the professionals who seem to acknowledge systemic candida are typically holistic. I'm not aware of any testing to confirm systemic yeast. There are strong antifungal drugs such as Nystatin that can be used for treatment but a yeast free diet is typically recommended.

I've been avoiding yeast and sugar for a few months now. Yeast showed up as an intolerance for me on Enterolab testing but I'm not sure how that correlates to candida overgrowth.

Joefnh · Post by **Joefnh** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:21 am

I also believe Gabes mentioned that she has been dealing with candida as well in an earlier post.

--Joe

Post by **tex** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:23 am

Kelly wrote:Yeast showed up as an intolerance for me on Enterolab testing but I'm not sure how that correlates to candida overgrowth.

IMO, empirical evidence suggests that a positive test result from Enterolab for yeast-sensitivity, correlates with a candida overgrowth. Experience among the members of this board indicates that once the symptoms of candida overgrowth, (and the symptoms of active MC), are resolved, yeast-sensitivity is no longer an issue, thus providing substantiating evidence that the theory is correct.

Tex

irisheyes13 · Post by **irisheyes13** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:47 am

Tex- You did mention that in my Enterolab results thread thus I have left all forms of yeast out of my diet and had avoided it even before the results because of my suspicions. Interestingly when I spoke with an Enterolab person, she had explained that the test performed had nothing to do with an excessive amount of yeast overgrowth in the gut but an actual intolerance to the protein itself and if an intolerance is detected you will always have it and it should be avoided permanently.

Your explanation makes perfect sense and it gives me hope that some day I will be able to tolerate yeast is some form if I choose. The experiences documented by members here seem to provide consistently accurate information and historical data that has yet to be studied or tapped into by mainstream medicine.

Kari · Post by **Kari** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:06 pm

Hi Nancy,

I also tested positive for yeast at Enterolab, and subsequently took a test (questionnaire), which confirmed candida for me. My dietitian said that the questionnaire was just as accurate as any other test. Like Kelly, I have been avoiding yeast and sugar, as well as any processed food, for quite a while, and I think my candida is starting to clear up. If you have any interest, I'll dig back and see if I can find the questionnaire and email it to you.

Interesting post Kelly - I tend to agree with you, and believe Tex and others here are correct about yeast. I base this solely on trust in them, along with wishful thinking on my behalf

. Because I'm feeling so well these days, I'm very tempted to try Udi's GF bread, but it also contains a couple of my other intolerances, so I will not "rock the boat" yet:(.

Love,
Kari

Gloria · Post by **Gloria** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:34 pm

I tested positive for yeast on the Enterolab tests. I avoided it for a few months, but then began eating it in bread. Ener-g makes a white rice bread that is yeast-free and I ate it for a while. It tasted like styrofoam, or cooked rice pressed into a bread pan and baked, but at least I could eat a sandwich.

I finally asked my GI to test for a yeast infection and his nurse said there wasn't any test for it. They ran all the usual stool tests again and said I didn't have a yeast problem. I decided to go on a candida yeast diet to try to eliminate it if I did have an infection. I've tried to continue to eat a low sugar (but not low-carbohydrate) diet since then. I eat bread once every one to two weeks without any problems.

Gloria

Post by **tex** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:16 pm

Kelly wrote:Interestingly when I spoke with an Enterolab person, she had explained that the test performed had nothing to do with an excessive amount of yeast overgrowth in the gut but an actual intolerance to the protein itself and if an intolerance is detected you will always have it and it should be avoided permanently.

Yes, I know that's what they say, but yeast seems to be the one and only exception to that claim of "permanent" sensitivity. While I agree that there are probably a few individuals who do indeed carry a permanent sensitivity to the primary protein in dietary yeast, I believe that it's a rare condition, and furthermore, I believe that the majority of their positive test results are false positive results, for this reason:

If you think about this, it's easy to see that when the body has a candida overgrowth, it is almost certainly going to produce antibodies to Candida. Right? I have no idea what the exact mechanism might be, but I have a hunch, (in fact, I'm convinced), that their test is mistakenly picking up these antibodies, either in lieu of antibodies to the primary protein in baker's yeast, or in addition to it. Whatever the case, I'm convinced that something else is going on here - something more than meets the eye. Consider the following quote, from a research project designed to compare the response of the human immune system to dietary yeast, (saccharomyces cerevisiae - which is what the Enterolab test is directed at), and candida albicans:

Our results suggest that both intact and heat-killed S. cerevisiae and C. albicans induce cytokine responses of neutrophils in the intestine, and stimulate host immune function.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19966493

Now, clearly, that is not directly applicable to the test that Enterolab uses, (they test for IgA antibodies, not cytokines), but it certainly raises a red flag that some sort of sympathetic, (or mimic), reaction might be involved.

The bottom line is, to the best of my knowledge, to date at least, no member of this board who has received a positive result to Enterolab's yeast test, has had yeast-sensitivity symptoms that persisted after their MC symptoms were resolved. IOW, we have seen many positive yeast test results, but so far, 100% of them appear to not be a permanent sensitivity.

Remember, though, this is only my opinion, and it has not been tested with any random, double-blind trials, so it's just a theory based on empirical evidence.

Tex

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:32 am

After being 100% gluten free for about 4 weeks, the next thing that i reacted badly to was Yeast....

I was having bad symptoms of itchiness 'down there' which was the prompter for me to go and have allergy testing which was turned out to be the bio impedance.
I had suspected it could hvae been candida, and sure enough it was, it was identified as the main issue at that time.

klhale · Post by **klhale** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:31 pm

I had a serious yeast infection with thrush, from taking prednisone. Then I had to take Diflucan for a year to get rid of it completely. That was 10 years ago and I have not had it since.

barbiem · Post by **barbiem** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:04 pm

klhale - how often did you have to take diflucan? daily? once weekly??? how did that affect your liver??

thxs - I am smack in the midst of a bad yeast overgrowth down below and coated tongue. only been on entocort for 2 months and was getting sooo good but too many bananas or entocort - won't ever know I guess! Now I am taking the diflucan orally once a week and nystatin mouth wash and cream for down below. question: hw long on prednisone with the diflucan? did the 2 together clear up and put you in remission ?thxs