Great article on histamines

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:34 am

http://peelingbacktheonionlayers.com/co ... ve-health/

Has anyone tried Allerase or Quercetin?

Post by **tex** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:01 am

Linda,

FWIW I agree with the author's comments about amylase (and it's connection with histamines). Bear in mind though, that amylose is found not only in grains, but in virtually all sources of starch. That's why I recommend waxy potatoes (amylopectin starch — high in sugar, low in starch) over mealy potatoes (amylose — low in sugar, high in starch) whenever digestion is compromised.

Thanks for the link.

Tex

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:01 am

Tex,

So, is amylase found in tapioca, too? I tried yellow and red potatoes, and did fine the first day or two, but then had a harsh reaction to them....and they are 1+ on Enterolab!

I just made and tried a roll I made out of tapioca to eat with dinner since I can't seem to do veggies right now. It's Ok...but I miss a veggie!

The article references Dr. Theoharides, who I believe studied with Dr. Castells in Boston, are very informative information. It is very complicated to figure it all out! :)

gluten · Post by **gluten** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:10 am

Hi, I found the site very interesting. Since, I have a methylation problem caused by a toxic protein. Jon

Post by **tex** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:48 pm

Hi Linda,

Tapioca has about 15–18 % amylose, which is slightly better than rice and/or potatoes (which run around 20 % amylose), and significantly better than corn and wheat (which run around 25 % amylose). Waxy rice, waxy corn, and waxy potatoes though, typically run around 2 % amylose or less (IOW, 98 % amylopectin or better).

Some of us have problems with taoioca, while others seem to do OK with it.

Tex

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:13 pm

Tex,

Is a starch a starch? I did have some tummy pain the last two nights after I tried tapioca rolls. Might I find a different result from arrowroot because potato starch is out, too.

Post by **tex** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:22 pm

Every starch has it's own unique characteristics, determined by the plant it comes from. I don't recall ever hearing from anyone complaining about not being able to tolerate arrowroot, so hopefully that one will work for you.

Tex

Gloria · Post by **Gloria** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:42 pm

too much bone broth and too many fermented foods can actually cause digestive issues!

I'm familiar with the fermented food advisory, but bone broth?? I always thought soup was good for the gut.

I'm wondering because I've just started making bone broth out of lamb chop bones leftover from dinner. I freeze them as soon as I'm done eating and make the broth after I've accumulated enough. The broth tastes great and I thought it was very calming to my gut. I was going to make more tomorrow and can it....maybe not.

I also make broth out of turkey bones and can it. It doesn't have as much gelatin consistency as lamb broth, but it does have some.

Gloria

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:08 am

Gloria...I wouldn't worry about it if you're feeling fine. I think the key words there are..."too much". But, home made broth has not been good for me. Since the day I started the D, I can't tolerate broth very well. I do better with just veggie broth now, but not bone broth. :( And fermented food have always given me issues. :(

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:55 am

I have bone broth nearly every day. I make it either from lamb bones, pork bones or turkey drumsticks and wings. It is supposed to be good for you, full of minerals, but like everything else if its a problem then it isn't good for you. I've never had a problem with it.

Jean

Post by **Rosie** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:46 am

Since the day I started the D, I can't tolerate broth very well. I do better with just veggie broth now, but not bone broth.

Me too! Both beef and chicken/turkey stocks and bone broths still upset my stomach after 3 years of healing. The veggie broth doesn't, so I use that when I make soups for better flavor. And probably for the same reason meat stews that are cooked for long periods of time don't sit well either, although I can eat those same meats prepared other ways, like grilled or fried, with no problem. I wonder if it's the higher levels of fats, since with grilling the fats drip out, while with stocks and stews the fats are retained. Maybe some of us can't handle the higher levels of fat.........

Rosie

Gloria · Post by **Gloria** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:18 am

After I wrote my post above, I remembered reading somewhere (I can't remember where) that bone stock shouldn't be simmered for many hours, only a few. I recall that the longer time resulted in higher histamines. That explanation makes sense to me, but I can't say definitively if I'm affected one way or another by broth.

The lamb broth has seemed to be soothing, but I'm starting to have problems. I don't know the reason yet. It hasn't happened long enough nor consistently enough to see a pattern. The last two nights I've had gurgling, and that hasn't happened for a long time. I've also had watery D a couple of days, and that hasn't happened, either. Neither seem to be directly related to the lamb broth, but mast cell issues don't always manifest quickly and certainly don't resolve quickly.

Gloria

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:28 pm

Rosie,

I can't handle the higher fat either, and eat mostly lean cuts of turkey, venison, & haddock. I have never been able to digest fat.

Gloria,

I never tried making bone broth for a short period of time. I've always let is simmer all day. Maybe when I'm better healed I'll try it again.
I'm sorry fro your gurgling! I just experienced that last week with yellow potato! It is aggravating.

Jean,

You are lucky you eat the bone broth. It is so very good for you! :)

Post by **tex** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:20 pm

Gloria,

I don't know the status of pollen density in Illinois, but this is the first week of the fall that I've needed to take an antihistamine to control the symptoms of pollen allergy. Of course, our ragweed crop was dying because of the drought, and a 3-inch rain on the 20th of September revived any ragweed plants that weren't completely dead.

IOW, considering the timing, I would be suspicious of pollen influences and/or cross-reactivity of some sort.

Tex

Gloria · Post by **Gloria** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:29 pm

Hmmm. I didn't consider the pollen aspect. I was going to start taking Zyrtec in the evening, but I found this article in the Chicago Tribune: "Zyrtec withdrawl can involve horrible itching," http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/sc ... 4267.story

Zyrtec was the second antihistamine that I took at bedtime when I had the awful itching last year at this same time. I need to look at my food/symptoms diary to see if there is any connection. I slowly reduced the Zyrtec as the rash subsided. It hasn't come back, knock on wood.

I guess I should at my food/symptoms diary to see what reaction I had, if any, with Benadryl, for use as a backup antihistamine. That's going back two years. I still have all the diaries from the past six and one-half years.

Just to be on the safe side, I'm not going to eat/make any lamb broth for a couple of weeks. We're going to DD's in Utah next week, so it will be a good time to see if omitting the broth and/or being in a different region makes a difference.

Gloria