What About Chiropractors, Functional Medicine, Etc.?
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What About Chiropractors, Functional Medicine, Etc.?
Hi All,
In another thread, the subject of chiropractors who are claiming to be qualified as nutritionists, food sensitivity experts, neurology experts, functional medicine docs, etc., came up. I've often wondered if they were actually qualified, as they claim. Maybe it's time to explore this a bit.
Most of us can remember when chiropractors were actually chiropractors (and nothing more). When (and why) did they decide to reinvent themselves as something else? Apparently, sometime during the last decade or two, they made the decision that they would be better off if they transformed themselves from chiropractors into food/nutrition experts, neurologists, and/or so-called functional medicine doctors.
My take on this is — if they didn't actually want to be chiropractors, why did they choose that profession? Why didn't they choose to pursue an MD degree? Why did they choose to reinvent the profession, instead? My guess is that as always, it's all about money. (After all, that's what capitalism is all about). They just decided that since so many of their clients complained of dietary and digestive issues that their current MDs didn't appear to be capable of adequately addressing, then maybe it was time to broaden their horizons to take advantage of an apparent opportunity.
And realistically, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do a better job of dealing with digestive system issues than about 99.9 % of the MDs out there (provided that they are willing to spend the extra time learning whatever they need to know in order to pursue this field. Because as we all know, MDs are obviously not willing to devote any significant amount of time to learning about nutrition and digestive system health in general.
Instead of learning how to properly diagnose and treat health problems of this sort, MDs choose to throw prescription drugs at it, pretending that (as always) drugs are the answer, regardless of the question. IMO, MDs have really dropped the ball on this issue, because it's definitely a biggie, and it will continue to be increasingly important in future health decisions of the public. By failing to properly educate themselves about food sensitivities, diet, etc., MDs are writing themselves out of the future treatment programs of many of their patients, IMO.
So are chiropractors qualified to deal with diet and digestive issues? Believe it or not, the educational requirements for a DC (Doctor of Chiropractic) degree are more extensive than the requirements for an MD degree, except in the fields of pathology, neurology, psychiatry/psychology, and gynecology/obstetrics. By contrast, chiropractors receive much more extensive training in anatomy, chemistry, diagnosis, and items such as x-ray and orthopedics (in those last 2 items, MDs receive only a token amount of training). In all, they receive, on the average, approximately 20 % more hours of training before qualifying for a DC degree.
Of course, there's a big caveat here. And that's the fact that like most other doctors, on the average, regardless of what they might claim, chiropractors do not understand microscopic colitis. But at least they are beginning to understand food sensitivities, and I suspect that they are more likely to recognize that the body is a complex assembly of sophisticated systems, all of which can influence the overall performance, rather than trying to pretend that treating individual organs without regard to the rest of the body is appropriate (the typical approach used by virtually all MD specialists).
I'm sure that as is the case with MDs, some chiropractors/functional medicine doctors are/will be much better qualified than others to treat patients who have diet/digestive issues, but at least they seem to be headed in a good direction.
I'm not sure that the chiropractic branch of medicine is the best format for this development, but since all the mainstream docs have made it pretty clear that they're not interested in taking on the educational requirements involved, that leaves a huge slot open that was begging to be filled. So it was probably inevitable that someone would take advantage of the opportunity.
That said, would I ever go to a chiropractor for dietary advice/treatment? Probably not, because too many of them (virtually all of them) are claiming that they can give a patient a series of adjustments/treatments, and "cure" their IBD, or whatever else ails them. A chiropractor used to be one of my food corn customers (his hobby was going to farm shows and small town annual reunions/celebrations and grinding corn meal on the spot, using an old antique stone mill). I got to know him pretty well over the years, and I had told him of my digestive system issues, and how I had resolved them by making specific diet changes. He was a pre-conversion (conventional) chiropractor back in those days.
After chiropractors had reinvented the profession, one day he told me how he had "cured" the infertility problems of a young woman who came to him for treatment, by giving her a series of weekly "adjustments". And he also told me how he regularly "cured" patients who had food sensitivity issues such as mine, again by giving them a series of regular spinal adjustments. Really? I don't think so.
I would really like to believe that they are headed in the right direction, and that someday they will prove to be a great resource for people who have dietary and food sensitivity problems, but in they meantime, why can't they just be truthful? Few things shake my faith in someone faster than mendacity.
Tex
In another thread, the subject of chiropractors who are claiming to be qualified as nutritionists, food sensitivity experts, neurology experts, functional medicine docs, etc., came up. I've often wondered if they were actually qualified, as they claim. Maybe it's time to explore this a bit.
Most of us can remember when chiropractors were actually chiropractors (and nothing more). When (and why) did they decide to reinvent themselves as something else? Apparently, sometime during the last decade or two, they made the decision that they would be better off if they transformed themselves from chiropractors into food/nutrition experts, neurologists, and/or so-called functional medicine doctors.
My take on this is — if they didn't actually want to be chiropractors, why did they choose that profession? Why didn't they choose to pursue an MD degree? Why did they choose to reinvent the profession, instead? My guess is that as always, it's all about money. (After all, that's what capitalism is all about). They just decided that since so many of their clients complained of dietary and digestive issues that their current MDs didn't appear to be capable of adequately addressing, then maybe it was time to broaden their horizons to take advantage of an apparent opportunity.
And realistically, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do a better job of dealing with digestive system issues than about 99.9 % of the MDs out there (provided that they are willing to spend the extra time learning whatever they need to know in order to pursue this field. Because as we all know, MDs are obviously not willing to devote any significant amount of time to learning about nutrition and digestive system health in general.
Instead of learning how to properly diagnose and treat health problems of this sort, MDs choose to throw prescription drugs at it, pretending that (as always) drugs are the answer, regardless of the question. IMO, MDs have really dropped the ball on this issue, because it's definitely a biggie, and it will continue to be increasingly important in future health decisions of the public. By failing to properly educate themselves about food sensitivities, diet, etc., MDs are writing themselves out of the future treatment programs of many of their patients, IMO.
So are chiropractors qualified to deal with diet and digestive issues? Believe it or not, the educational requirements for a DC (Doctor of Chiropractic) degree are more extensive than the requirements for an MD degree, except in the fields of pathology, neurology, psychiatry/psychology, and gynecology/obstetrics. By contrast, chiropractors receive much more extensive training in anatomy, chemistry, diagnosis, and items such as x-ray and orthopedics (in those last 2 items, MDs receive only a token amount of training). In all, they receive, on the average, approximately 20 % more hours of training before qualifying for a DC degree.
Of course, there's a big caveat here. And that's the fact that like most other doctors, on the average, regardless of what they might claim, chiropractors do not understand microscopic colitis. But at least they are beginning to understand food sensitivities, and I suspect that they are more likely to recognize that the body is a complex assembly of sophisticated systems, all of which can influence the overall performance, rather than trying to pretend that treating individual organs without regard to the rest of the body is appropriate (the typical approach used by virtually all MD specialists).
I'm sure that as is the case with MDs, some chiropractors/functional medicine doctors are/will be much better qualified than others to treat patients who have diet/digestive issues, but at least they seem to be headed in a good direction.
I'm not sure that the chiropractic branch of medicine is the best format for this development, but since all the mainstream docs have made it pretty clear that they're not interested in taking on the educational requirements involved, that leaves a huge slot open that was begging to be filled. So it was probably inevitable that someone would take advantage of the opportunity.
That said, would I ever go to a chiropractor for dietary advice/treatment? Probably not, because too many of them (virtually all of them) are claiming that they can give a patient a series of adjustments/treatments, and "cure" their IBD, or whatever else ails them. A chiropractor used to be one of my food corn customers (his hobby was going to farm shows and small town annual reunions/celebrations and grinding corn meal on the spot, using an old antique stone mill). I got to know him pretty well over the years, and I had told him of my digestive system issues, and how I had resolved them by making specific diet changes. He was a pre-conversion (conventional) chiropractor back in those days.
After chiropractors had reinvented the profession, one day he told me how he had "cured" the infertility problems of a young woman who came to him for treatment, by giving her a series of weekly "adjustments". And he also told me how he regularly "cured" patients who had food sensitivity issues such as mine, again by giving them a series of regular spinal adjustments. Really? I don't think so.
I would really like to believe that they are headed in the right direction, and that someday they will prove to be a great resource for people who have dietary and food sensitivity problems, but in they meantime, why can't they just be truthful? Few things shake my faith in someone faster than mendacity.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
All very good points Tex. In their defense, I heard one interview where a chiropractor mentioned their training and education is roughly the same as it's been since the advent of the field back when more folks worked on farms, in factories and other physically demanding jobs. Changes in society have changed the types of stress that our bodies face. A lot of people today have physical pain (typically in the back and neck) that may be rooted in physical alignment issues, but are just as likely rooted in stress, emotions, toxins, allergies, etc. People go to the chiro when their back hurts but if chiros are going to be successful they're going to have to change their treatment methods to address these more modern agents. Most are probably somewhere in the middle; genuinely intersted in helping their patients and not against expanding their client base either.
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Tex,
The current health system means that there are very few 'doctors' who treat wholisticaly
Everything is silo'd into the nominated specialities, and medications are prescribed for the symptoms, again within those silo's
Good on practitioners for adopting a functional medicine wholistic approach.
They see the need for that role to support wellness.
Mindful that most functional medicine, and wholistic therapists do more study of nutrition than the average doctor (with their one semester early in their uni learning years)
Some'ones, job title or degree does not tell you that they have good knowledge or not
I am on awe of you(tex), and the vast amount of knowledge you have about the body, the organs, the cells, and tests etc etc etc.
The current health system means that there are very few 'doctors' who treat wholisticaly
Everything is silo'd into the nominated specialities, and medications are prescribed for the symptoms, again within those silo's
Good on practitioners for adopting a functional medicine wholistic approach.
They see the need for that role to support wellness.
Mindful that most functional medicine, and wholistic therapists do more study of nutrition than the average doctor (with their one semester early in their uni learning years)
Some'ones, job title or degree does not tell you that they have good knowledge or not
I am on awe of you(tex), and the vast amount of knowledge you have about the body, the organs, the cells, and tests etc etc etc.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
I agree with Gabe's last statement.
My chiropractor/functional medicine doc is a good guy and interested in helping with gut issues but is MC clueless. But also more open minded. I haven't seen him in years because it became a drain on my pocket book and I found this site was all I needed. Wish Leslie would have emailed me years ago because it was years and thousands of dollars down the crapper before I was enlightened. Seriously though, I'm being truthful. But there is no money in telling someone they can do it on their own if they can dedicate themselves to keeping damaging foods out of the mouth.
I was thinking about going back for an adjustment though. Haven't done it in years and it is such a great feeling. I'm more with a maintenance visit because otherwise I'd be scheduled for the whole year. Haha.
My chiropractor/functional medicine doc is a good guy and interested in helping with gut issues but is MC clueless. But also more open minded. I haven't seen him in years because it became a drain on my pocket book and I found this site was all I needed. Wish Leslie would have emailed me years ago because it was years and thousands of dollars down the crapper before I was enlightened. Seriously though, I'm being truthful. But there is no money in telling someone they can do it on their own if they can dedicate themselves to keeping damaging foods out of the mouth.
I was thinking about going back for an adjustment though. Haven't done it in years and it is such a great feeling. I'm more with a maintenance visit because otherwise I'd be scheduled for the whole year. Haha.
Deb
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Chiropractors scare the poop out of me. I have been to a chiropractor a couple of times, and even knew a couple of them pretty well some years ago. But today I would not go to a functional doctor who was also a chiropractor. Now you know one of my irrational fears.
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Dum spiro, spero -- While I breathe, I hope
Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
Tex,
My husband is a chiropractor. I had never been to one until we started dating. He has always been very interested in nutrition, and uses homeopathy & whole food supplements. Basically, he believes that our body has the ability to heal itself in many (not all) cases. He is a walking example of that.
I, on the other hand, am somewhere in the middle. I do better, in many respects, with a weekly adjustment. But, my genetic make up is different, and the MC journey has enlightened us to the variants in each individual. It is never too late to learn something new.
I was a reading teacher for many years, and I found I could never generalize about a child's ability to put all the skills taught together and read for understanding. Each little brain is a bit different, and we have to take all of that into account.
One size doesn't fit all for most people. I think that's a problem with our society. Just as some chiropractors are calling themselves experts in certain fields, is no different than doctors advising patients in areas that are not their expertise, but it happens all the time.
The key is to get to know your patient, and then dig into research to find ways to help that person. That's not what I find with the medical profession. They want to give you a prescription, and send you on your way....they have a quota of patients to see in a day, you know.
I guess what I'm saying is that it's all about the PERSON that you find to entrust with your health, and how much you are willing to research your issues to help yourself, too. It's about taking charge of your life and changing things to get a different result....over and over again until the desired result is achieved, or close to it.
If the chiropractic community can help with a shift, in our country, away from treating symptoms and finding the root cause of physical issues, then let them try to help. The time of medical doctors being treated as 'Gods' is rapidly ending, and humility in the medical profession will be a good thing.
I don't mean to sound as though I'm down on the medical establishment as their jobs are awfully complicated, too....but chiropractics does do more for overall heath then just making your back or neck feel better.
I think, Tex, that your issue may be with some of the extremists in the field, that have gone too far to make a buck at our expense....but is that not the American way? We can be our own worst enemy sometimes.
I guess I ranted....but I have found benefits in chiropractics. My children haven't had to take an antibiotic in 15 years (since I married my husband and they started getting adjusted), and I do attribute keeping the spine in alignment and allowing the bodies natural healing abilities to work, as one main reason why.
So, I guess I'm back to one size doesn't fit all, and beware of anyone who calls themselves an expert at anything unless you see their qualifications and data supporting their cause.
My husband is a chiropractor. I had never been to one until we started dating. He has always been very interested in nutrition, and uses homeopathy & whole food supplements. Basically, he believes that our body has the ability to heal itself in many (not all) cases. He is a walking example of that.
I, on the other hand, am somewhere in the middle. I do better, in many respects, with a weekly adjustment. But, my genetic make up is different, and the MC journey has enlightened us to the variants in each individual. It is never too late to learn something new.
I was a reading teacher for many years, and I found I could never generalize about a child's ability to put all the skills taught together and read for understanding. Each little brain is a bit different, and we have to take all of that into account.
One size doesn't fit all for most people. I think that's a problem with our society. Just as some chiropractors are calling themselves experts in certain fields, is no different than doctors advising patients in areas that are not their expertise, but it happens all the time.
The key is to get to know your patient, and then dig into research to find ways to help that person. That's not what I find with the medical profession. They want to give you a prescription, and send you on your way....they have a quota of patients to see in a day, you know.
I guess what I'm saying is that it's all about the PERSON that you find to entrust with your health, and how much you are willing to research your issues to help yourself, too. It's about taking charge of your life and changing things to get a different result....over and over again until the desired result is achieved, or close to it.
If the chiropractic community can help with a shift, in our country, away from treating symptoms and finding the root cause of physical issues, then let them try to help. The time of medical doctors being treated as 'Gods' is rapidly ending, and humility in the medical profession will be a good thing.
I don't mean to sound as though I'm down on the medical establishment as their jobs are awfully complicated, too....but chiropractics does do more for overall heath then just making your back or neck feel better.
I think, Tex, that your issue may be with some of the extremists in the field, that have gone too far to make a buck at our expense....but is that not the American way? We can be our own worst enemy sometimes.
I guess I ranted....but I have found benefits in chiropractics. My children haven't had to take an antibiotic in 15 years (since I married my husband and they started getting adjusted), and I do attribute keeping the spine in alignment and allowing the bodies natural healing abilities to work, as one main reason why.
So, I guess I'm back to one size doesn't fit all, and beware of anyone who calls themselves an expert at anything unless you see their qualifications and data supporting their cause.
Linda :)
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MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
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MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
I'm a fan of chiropractic, but I have yet to consult one for GI or autoimmune issues.
While we are on the subject of medical turf expansion, check out what the good-for-nothing allergists are planning! Dabbling into rheumatology and gastroenterology, realizing that "Immunology" part of their title should mean something, while of course, cashing in on the epidemic of autoimmune disease and food sensitivities. It's not all about IgE anymore!
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/ACAAI/42755?
While we are on the subject of medical turf expansion, check out what the good-for-nothing allergists are planning! Dabbling into rheumatology and gastroenterology, realizing that "Immunology" part of their title should mean something, while of course, cashing in on the epidemic of autoimmune disease and food sensitivities. It's not all about IgE anymore!
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/ACAAI/42755?
1987 Mononucleosis (EBV)
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
That would be great if they actually knew what they were doing, but unlike chiropractors, who clearly have physiology and orthopedics mastered, are allergists actually the masters of anything? IMO, they need to master their own domain before they attempt to encroach on some other discipline's turf.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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what about chiropractors...
Hi everybody,
I'll chime in---here's what I found out. If you go to a chiropractor, he'll tell you that your ailment is related directly to your alignment (or the lack of it).
If you go to an acupuncturist for the same ailment, he'll tell you that it is related to your Chi not being balanced.
If you go to a nutritionist, he'll tell you that it is related to what you eat.
If you go to an allergist, he'll tell you you have allergies to certain things or substances.
If you go to an herbalist, you'll walk out with a million herbal and tinctures bottles.
If you go to a GI doc, he'll just pull out his pad and write you an RX.
What I am trying to say is that every profession takes ownership because they are looking at it from the LIMITED prism of their training and knowledge. What we have all learned in this forum is that we are our own researchers, advocates and guinea pigs in solving this thing that has brought us all to this place. There is much to learn in this never ending search.
Monique
I'll chime in---here's what I found out. If you go to a chiropractor, he'll tell you that your ailment is related directly to your alignment (or the lack of it).
If you go to an acupuncturist for the same ailment, he'll tell you that it is related to your Chi not being balanced.
If you go to a nutritionist, he'll tell you that it is related to what you eat.
If you go to an allergist, he'll tell you you have allergies to certain things or substances.
If you go to an herbalist, you'll walk out with a million herbal and tinctures bottles.
If you go to a GI doc, he'll just pull out his pad and write you an RX.
What I am trying to say is that every profession takes ownership because they are looking at it from the LIMITED prism of their training and knowledge. What we have all learned in this forum is that we are our own researchers, advocates and guinea pigs in solving this thing that has brought us all to this place. There is much to learn in this never ending search.
Monique
Diagnosed 2011 with LC. Currently on Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)
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