Has anyone used any of their recipes?
http://www.health-bent.com/blog/book-re ... mond-flour
Enterolab declared me sensitive to almonds. After not touching them for 2 1/2 years I put some in baked goods. Didn't seem to make too much difference. However, what I have read about them lately has given me even more pause.
I went to Barnes and Noble to have a look at the book. It's very nice looking and attractively laid out, but it costs $50. I wanted to see the recipes for the baked stuff given what they said about almonds. They use a coconut flour and tapioca mix extensively.
I am fine with coconut flour, and MRT says I am OK with tapioca. There seems to be some argument about tapioca, whether it is paleo. Most say go for it.
However they use butter exclusively in their baked goods, and it's definitely NOT paleo, although some like to argue that it is. Seems that you can argue for just about everything if you want to eat it.
They do not give any substitutions for butter, which, again, gives me pause since I would mostly want it for the baked stuff. I know how to cook most other stuff, and can use the foods I eat advantageously. I have tried and thrown out too much to want to do it any more. NO energy for any more cooking.
I ordered it from the library so I can read it and figure out whether any of it suits me.
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Hi Leslie,
The reason you see so many variants on the paleo idea is that people are working from the basic assumptions, (eat real food like humans were designed to, and no factory food) and playing around the edges in trying to optimise it from there. You need to eat what works for you, which may not match your guru of choice.
How can tapioca not be paleo? Sugary baked treats made with any flour aren't really paleo, but tapioca itself isn't the issue there.
Personally, I have added a little dairy back in, now that I find I can tolerate it. Dairy is the best source of K2 mark4, (Natto is the other, and it sounds gross). So I figure it is probably a good thing to have some of, if it is tolerated.
If you want to, try how you go with ghee. That has both the casein and lactose removed, so is safer from an intolerance perspective.
I find my need for snacks is reducing vastly at the moment, but that is because I have been doing the resistant starch thing. Surprising how well it works for that.
Lyn
The reason you see so many variants on the paleo idea is that people are working from the basic assumptions, (eat real food like humans were designed to, and no factory food) and playing around the edges in trying to optimise it from there. You need to eat what works for you, which may not match your guru of choice.
How can tapioca not be paleo? Sugary baked treats made with any flour aren't really paleo, but tapioca itself isn't the issue there.
Personally, I have added a little dairy back in, now that I find I can tolerate it. Dairy is the best source of K2 mark4, (Natto is the other, and it sounds gross). So I figure it is probably a good thing to have some of, if it is tolerated.
If you want to, try how you go with ghee. That has both the casein and lactose removed, so is safer from an intolerance perspective.
I find my need for snacks is reducing vastly at the moment, but that is because I have been doing the resistant starch thing. Surprising how well it works for that.
Lyn
There are some who argue that tapioca is a refined starch that s not strictly paleo.
I use ghee a lot, but it is not good in baked goods because it requires the casein to allow it to cream with sugar efficiently. Still, I don't really use sugar. I use a few dates, a little honey or coconut sugar to sweeten.
They have a bread recipe using butter, and I would really like to know if I can substitute coconut oil.
I use ghee a lot, but it is not good in baked goods because it requires the casein to allow it to cream with sugar efficiently. Still, I don't really use sugar. I use a few dates, a little honey or coconut sugar to sweeten.
They have a bread recipe using butter, and I would really like to know if I can substitute coconut oil.
Hi Polly,
I was hoping you would chime in!
http://elenaselivan.com/2013/04/25/nuts ... -are-they/
http://chriskresser.com/another-reason- ... ts-on-nuts
http://www.md-health.com/Eating-Too-Many-Almonds.html
I am buying a dehydrator. I got a gift card at Amazon for my birthday. Then I can soak and dry nuts (pecans, and walnuts, but the latter are also not good for using too many) and seeds, and make them safer.
Do you have any thoughts about this?
I was hoping you would chime in!
From the site about the book.many nuts contain large amounts of omega-6 and phytic acid
http://elenaselivan.com/2013/04/25/nuts ... -are-they/
http://chriskresser.com/another-reason- ... ts-on-nuts
http://www.md-health.com/Eating-Too-Many-Almonds.html
I am buying a dehydrator. I got a gift card at Amazon for my birthday. Then I can soak and dry nuts (pecans, and walnuts, but the latter are also not good for using too many) and seeds, and make them safer.
Do you have any thoughts about this?
Good Morning!
Lesley, those are very informative articles. Thanks for sharing them. It's amazing, isn't it, that almost nothing is safe to eat??!! I have been aware of the omega 6 concern for a while now. Apparently the omega 6:omega 3 ratio was 1:1 in paleo days, and now it is 15-50 to one. That's a MAJOR dietary change, especially knowing that omega 6 oils are pro-inflammatory. Recently I have begun eating mainly macadamia nuts - either as snacks or ground up to make a coating on chicken/fish. But they are SOOO expensive (I guess most nuts are). I see that chestnuts are one of the "better" nuts.....haven't you baked with chestnut flour? Or am I imagining that?
I have a number of paleo cookbooks, but I have always felt a little uncomfortable with recipes that simply use paleo foods to try to create goodies that are part of the typical American diet. I have always wondered about the exposure to large numbers of nuts in the nut flours. I even wonder about juices - it seems to make better sense to me to eat a single piece of fruit (or a vegetable) rather than eating many squeezed into juice. That's so much more exposure to all of those natural plant "toxins", etc. I'm sure the "juicers" would have a fit hearing this, but for someone like me with such a sensitive gut, it is an important consideration.
I had to laugh at your comment above about how "they make a point that you shouldn't change any ingredient in their baked goods, especially the bread." Baked goods? Bread? Definitely not paleo!!! We need to remind the authors that if you are truly paleo, you can't have your cake and eat it too, IMHO. Tee Hee!
LYN, what is K2, mark4? I am clueless! I am envious that you have been able to add a little dairy back in. Someday I hope to enjoy a little cheese again. But it has been 14 years since I got MC, and I still can't tolerate it. Sigh.
Love,
Polly
Lesley, those are very informative articles. Thanks for sharing them. It's amazing, isn't it, that almost nothing is safe to eat??!! I have been aware of the omega 6 concern for a while now. Apparently the omega 6:omega 3 ratio was 1:1 in paleo days, and now it is 15-50 to one. That's a MAJOR dietary change, especially knowing that omega 6 oils are pro-inflammatory. Recently I have begun eating mainly macadamia nuts - either as snacks or ground up to make a coating on chicken/fish. But they are SOOO expensive (I guess most nuts are). I see that chestnuts are one of the "better" nuts.....haven't you baked with chestnut flour? Or am I imagining that?
I have a number of paleo cookbooks, but I have always felt a little uncomfortable with recipes that simply use paleo foods to try to create goodies that are part of the typical American diet. I have always wondered about the exposure to large numbers of nuts in the nut flours. I even wonder about juices - it seems to make better sense to me to eat a single piece of fruit (or a vegetable) rather than eating many squeezed into juice. That's so much more exposure to all of those natural plant "toxins", etc. I'm sure the "juicers" would have a fit hearing this, but for someone like me with such a sensitive gut, it is an important consideration.
I had to laugh at your comment above about how "they make a point that you shouldn't change any ingredient in their baked goods, especially the bread." Baked goods? Bread? Definitely not paleo!!! We need to remind the authors that if you are truly paleo, you can't have your cake and eat it too, IMHO. Tee Hee!
LYN, what is K2, mark4? I am clueless! I am envious that you have been able to add a little dairy back in. Someday I hope to enjoy a little cheese again. But it has been 14 years since I got MC, and I still can't tolerate it. Sigh.
Love,
Polly
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Polly wrote:I'm sure the "juicers" would have a fit hearing this, but for someone like me with such a sensitive gut, it is an important consideration.
Juicers probably would have a fit, alright, but you can bet that the paleo people didn't make juicing a part of their regular daily routine (can you picture a paleo juice bar? ), any more than they ate certain types of nuts every day. They ate animals, birds, and fish, and in between kills or catches, they ate fruits, berries, seeds, nuts, roots, tubers, etc. And when they couldn't find any animals, birds, or fish, they made do with those alternate foods, or anything else they could find that was a reasonable facsimile for food, to allow them to survive until they could sink their teeth into some meat again. OK, here's a serious question:
You indicate that you would love to be able to eat cheese again, if you could only tolerate it. Assuming that someday you might be able to tolerate it, would you eat it and never look back? Would you try it and then test for antibodies? If you preferred to not know whether you produce antibodies, how would you explain/justify that? If you did test for antibodies, and the result was positive, would you stop eating it?
As you are aware, I can tolerate all dairy products, but I produce antibodies to casein, so I avoid all dairy products. So clearly my question is more related to my own situation, than to yours. But the big question is, "Am I being unreasonable or irrational by avoiding all dairy products just because I produce antibodies to casein (even though I'm asymptomatic to it)?"
I realize that this is a tough question (with no clear-cut answer), so please don't feel obligated to respond to it. I'm just curious what your thoughts are on this topic.
Love,
Tex
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You can't have your cake AT ALL!if you are truly paleo, you can't have your cake and eat it too
OK, I admit. I am not and will not be truly paleo with that definition. I also don't want to sink my teeth into raw meat and gnaw on a bone.
But we live in and age when we are able to extract and grind and mix foods that do comply with the paleo definitions in their pure form. But when we use them we cook them. And we do know about the developments of the last 20,000 years or so, and are tantalized by smells of bread, and of cheese, and all those goodies. Also, we have access to all the foods paleo man from every region could get hold of at any time or in any season. Like coconuts, which were not available to European paleo man. So we have more choices.
If I can have something baked and good using those foods I can tolerate and fit with, at least, modified paleo (seeing I do eat oats), I will do so. Asparagus was on sale last week, so I made a great cream of asparagus soup, using a couple of tablespoons of oats to make it creamy and thick. It was delicious and I will repeat it when asparagus is cheap again.
Paleo man didn't have a blender, or anything to cook it on. Neither did he have the wherewithal to make banana ice cream. I like our "improvements".
Yes - I have baked with chestnut flour. I have actually ground roasted chestnuts and used them successfully. I think I must run some down and use it again. The roasted chestnuts are only around at Christmas.
Macadamias are very expensive. We have to find a cheaper source. Chestnuts are not cheap either. But they are good, and it's nice to know that the are one of the better ones.
I just wish eating wasn't such a chore. So much work.
What can I tolerate? As I said, for the time being I am just trying to keep afloat. I am in a continual flare. Not with WD, and not with C continually, but no N, and with gut pain and constant exhaustion. Part of this could be attributed to pain and stress since my back is bad in spite of a caudal epidural, and Adam continues to be unemployed.
I just don't know what else to do right now.