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Crock Pot Cooking And Histamine Issues :shock:

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Hi All,

Histamine issues can be very insidious. They can sneak up on us before we even realize that they are setting a trap to ambush us. And sometimes we wonder why we're having problems, when we believe that we are doing everything right.

Take slow cooking in a crock pot, for example. While we're all aware that slow thawing can cause histamine problems, how about slow cooking? Well, apparently it can carry the same risks. Just think about it . . . it takes a long time for a crock pot to get the food up to a temperature at which bacteria and or yeasts cannot function. And all that while, histamine development is optimal, due to the warm, moist conditions in the crock pot. :yikes:

You may recall that almost a month ago, I posted in another thread (post number 10 in the thread at the following link), about an apparent histamine reaction to some chicken soup that had been stored in the refrigerator for a few days. At the time, I blamed the reaction on several days of storage at refrigerator temperatures. It didn't dawn on me until today that the real problem was probably due to the fact that the chicken soup was cooked in a crock pot, thus setting up the soup for optimal histamine propagation.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19404

The soup was an accident waiting to happen, because it was inadvertently designed to optimize the potential for histamine development. The reason why heating time is so important can be found in the fact that once histamine is created, it cannot be destroyed (by ordinary cooking temperatures). Therefore, if we generate histamine before the food gets up to a safe cooking temperature, the histamine will all still be there after cooking is completed. Nothing that we can safely do to the food later, can remove it. And since the process is cumulative, whenever more histamine is created, it's added to the total, but none of it can ever be removed. Any engineers in the group will recognize this as an analogue of entropy — entropy is always increasing.

But we learn by making mistakes, and the bigger the mistake, the easier it is to see where we went wrong. Since I don't normally have histamine problems due to eating leftovers, something about this scenario didn't smell right, and today the reason finally dawned on me. Crock pot cooking and treating histamine sensitivity are incongruent.

A search of the internet turned up someone who apparently agrees with me. I found the thread at the following link on a discussion board that's apparently frequented by people who have systemic mastocytosis. Systemic mastocytosis is the ultimate mast cell/histamine problem. Go down to post number 6 (response number 5 to the question):

Does crockpot cooking increase histamines?

This may also explain why many of us seem to have problems with bone broths. Apparently bone broth is a high histamine food.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/111707/ ... u-eat.html

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Hey Tex,

Well, another reason why I love my pressure cooker. Can't live without it. Soups in half an hour, any tough meat and chicken in 30 minutes..vegies in minutes, rice in 11 minutes...and it tastes wonderful because it retains all of the juices and nutrients.

Europeans all use pressure cookers. In the U.S women have not learned how to use them for everyday cooking. I have two of them. Americans use them for canning only. What a shame! Especially for working women who are always in a hurry. You can put a whole meal in there. Chicken with entire red potatoes etc..

Tex, maybe you get yourself one? During the xmas season you can find them for as little as $20 but they are usually more expensive than that but they last for eons since they are made of stainless.


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Monique,

I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the tip.

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Tex,

I make amazing cream soups in there: carrots, butternut, yams...I don't care for regular soups but I do love cream soups. Once done, I stick an immersion blender in there and puree it. I used to make all kinds of bean soups in there for my late husband (I can't eat them) and they use to come up so tender. Just some ideas for you to consider :-)

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Hi Y'all!

I have wondered about crockpots too, so I often use the high temp. for a few hours before reducing to low. Roughly 1 hour of high temp equals 2 hours on low temp.

My grandmother, who was considered to be an excellent cook, used the pressure cooker for almost everything. But I remember people back then worrying about it exploding. Monique, is that really an issue?

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Polly,

I remember when I was a kid, there were issues with exploding but that is long gone...They make them better than they used to. Never heard of them exploding in eons.

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My mom used one to speed up meal preparation when she was working. Great way to cook potatoes. She still has the pot minus the sealed lid. She wore it out!
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Monique,

Hmmmmm. I reckon I need to learn something about creme soups.


Polly,

I always use the high setting, but it still seems to take a loooooooooooonnnnnnnnng time to get a full pot up to temperature.

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I LOVE cream soups. Just made a cream of asparagus. Wonderful. I just had a bowl. Nearly done. What will I make next? Maybe mushroom? I need to get some squash to make a squash soup. Red pepper?

How do you make bone broths, the very nature of which is long, slow cooking in a PC? I need to find a decent one cheap.
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Lesley,

You can make any broth you want in a PC. Except faster and more nutritious. The longer you cook something the more nutrition you lose.

If you buy one, buy a stainless steel one. They are more expensive than the aluminum ones although they work just as well.

I love spinach soup, broccoli, mushroom. I just made one with carrots and red potatoes with ginger and curry + onions and garlic (I don't care what MRT says, but I am NOT getting rid of onions) in chicken stock. Then I pureed and added coconut milk. Yum!

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When it comes to bone broth it's not true that the longer you cook it the less nutritious it is. Long cooking times help leech the maximum amount of minerals from the bone. Of course if the histamine in the broth is a problem this won't work but that's a different issue.

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I sear my meat & heat up the broth I'm adding to the crockpot so its hot when I put it on. I also turn the crock on high and get it hot while I cut the veggies. I usually cook everything on high & maybe low for only a couple hours at the end.

My husband got me a pressure cooker for Christmas in 2012, & I haven't removed it from the box yet! It is intimidating. I guess I need to give it a try!

I just made turkey broth & simmered it on the stove for 12 hours....I froze it in ice cube trays with the intention of heating a few cubes a day to sip.....now I'm not so sure......
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I've used a pressure cooker for years, even wore one out after years of use. I've never had one explode. The one I have has a rubber disc in the lid. If the pressure valve should get clogged for some reason, the rubber disc will probably go shooting out of there and the pressure would be relieved. You'd have a mess but it's not an explosion in the way our grandmothers would describe a canning 'explosion'. My new pressure cooker sits on the counter top and even has a timer on it. I can set it to start at a certain time (but it's so fast I usually don't use that feature).

My crock pot boils on the high setting, but I'll be more selective using in the future. Thanks Tex for the article.

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