What We Need To Understand About Vitamin D

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What We Need To Understand About Vitamin D

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Hi All,

What we need to understand about vitamin D is basically that there is a lot more to vitamin D than meets the eye. I'll attempt to explore and explain some of the reasons behind that statement, in this post. But this discussion probably barely scratches the surface, because this is a rather complex issue, where many factors depend on many other factors, and many of them are not well-defined.

We all know that IBDs tend to deplete vitamin D levels, and we also know that a vitamin D deficiency predisposes to the development of IBDs and other autoimmune diseases. What we don't know is how much Vitamin D is ideal, and how to determine whether we are taking the right amount of vitamin D supplement. The fact that we have an IBD, means that most of the information published about vitamin D testing and supplementation probably is not valid for us.

Chris Kresser brings up some interesting facts in a blog that he wrote back in 2010, concerning the effects of vitamin D with regard to autoimmune disorders, and much of the info in this post is based on information in that blog. But most of the interpretations (of how that information relates to us, as IBD patients) is mine, so please don't blame Chris if you dispute any of this information.

In the article he acknowledges that people who have an inflamed small intestine, or a leaky gut, have a limited ability to absorb vitamin D from their food and oral supplements. And he points out how both stress and corticosteroid medications, raise cortisol levels, which depletes the body's cholesterol supply. Since cholesterol is the feedstock for vitamin D production in the skin (together with exposure to sunlight), lower cholesterol equals lower vitamin D production by natural means.

Being overweight can tie up vitamin D, because it tends to be taken up by fat cells. And since vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin, obviously the lower fat diet recommended by most GI docs for MC patients, further reduces the likelihood that vitamin D will be adequately absorbed by the bloodstream. But more than that, anyone who has an IBD, has a fat malabsorption problem as part of the symptom set, and this drastically reduces our ability to absorb vitamin D. Also, as we get older, we become less capable of producing vitamin D from sunlight. And as our inflammation level increases, our body's ability to utilize vitamin D becomes increasingly compromised.

But before the vitamin D that we already have available can provide any benefits, it must activate nuclear hormone receptors for vitamin D3 , also known as vitamin D receptors (VDR). Unfortunately, autoimmune diseases tend to be associated with a genetic issue (known as polymorphism) that compromises the expression and activation of VDR, so that problem significantly reduces the potential activation of vitamin D. As he points out in the article, a high percentage of patients who have Hashimoto's disease, for example, have VDR polymorphism.

So according to Chris Kresser's interpretation, if we have a VDR polymorphism (which is often associated with Hashimoto's and possibly other autoimmune issues), then we can't necessarily rely on a normal vitamin D blood test result that shows that we have plenty of vitamin D in our bloodstream (because we may not be able to utilize the vitamin D, if we have a VDR polymorphism). This implies that our vitamin D level would have to be much higher than "normal", in order to provide us with enough vitamin D for normal daily functioning, due to our compromised ability to utilize vitamin D. IOW, we might be functioning on the same level as someone who is vitamin D deficient, even though our vitamin D test result showed that we have plenty of vitamin D in circulation.

Obviously there's no simple way to approach this issue, because (as usual) we are all different. :sigh: And to add insult to injury, there's the effect of stress, which is always a wild card with anyone who has an IBD. By actual measurement, one of our members, Gabes, found that during an extremely stressful period of only approximately 3 months, her blood level of vitamin D dropped from 116 ng/mL to 56 ng/mL (290 to 140 nmol/L, in international units). That's a drop of 60 ng/mL in approximately 90 days. What makes this truly incredible is the fact that she continued to take 3,500–5,000 IU per day, of sublingual vitamin D3, during that 3-month period. Clearly, when we are subjected to severe chronic stress, our body is capable of consuming vitamin D at almost unbelievable rates.

And while most studies do show that a 35 ng/mL level of vitamin D, based on a 25(OH)D blood test, is adequate, issues such as these illustrate why Dr. Cannell (of the Vitamin D Council) recommends a minimum level of 50 ng/mL (in direct contradiction to most other "authorities").

But to complicate the issue, some recent studies have shown that higher isn’t necessarily better when it comes to vitamin D, because having too much D3 in circulation can be harmful, also. Chris mentions a study published in the American Journal of Medicine that established that maximum bone density occurs at 25(OH)D levels between 32-40 ng/mL for most people, and when the levels are increased to above 45 ng/mL, bone density starts to decrease. Along a similar line, a study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology showed that residents of Southern India who had 25(OH)D levels above 89 ng/mL were approximately three times more likely to have cardiovascular disease.

But . . . did the subjects involved in those studies have an IBD or any other autoimmune disease (IOW, could they have had VDR polymorphism)? You can bet that they did not, because most carefully controlled medical research studies are designed to rule out people who do not meet the criteria of a profile that is considered to be "normal" for that particular study. So it is highly likely that the conclusions of that study do not apply to us, since we would almost surely not meet the subject profile requirements of those studies.

To further complicate the matter, research by Chris Masterjohn indicates that a deficiency in vitamins A and K2 apparently play a role in higher-level vitamin D toxicity. IOW, if vitamins A and K2 are deficient, then the potential toxicity of high levels of vitamin D can be amplified. Since this effect has been confirmed by other researchers, we need to be aware that if we choose to maintain higher levels of vitamin D3, then we need to be sure that our vitamin A and K2 levels are not in the deficient range. Even so, there doesn't appear to be any valid research that confirms that higher levels of vitamin D3 are safe when levels of vitamin A and K2 are sufficient, so these are pretty much uncharted waters until appropriate research is done.

But here again, the odds are extremely high that we would be exceptions to the accepted subject profile qualifications that were used in those studies, so the results may not/probably do not apply to us. But we don't know that for a fact — we can only guess, due to the lack of available data. We have to always remember that we will never fit into a "normal" profile, from a medical viewpoint, unless the subject being discussed is "normal" MC patients.

So how do we know if we're taking too much vitamin D, and thereby possibly increasing our risk of damaging our cardiovascular system, or even risking triggering an adverse cardiovascular event? According to Chris Kresser, our serum calcium level can tell us when we've gone too far. If blood calcium levels are up in the 11–12 mg/dL range, our vitamin D level is dangerously high, and we're risking cardiovascular damage. At least he claims to use this gauge in his own practice.

Actually, the cardiovascular risk is more likely to be due to the elevated calcium level, rather than due to the vitamin D level per se, but theoretically, in this situation, lowering the vitamin D supplementation should lower the blood calcium level, if too much vitamin D is the reason why calcium is elevated in the first place. Of course again, this is unsubstantiated by carefully-controlled medical studies, so we can only hope that this assessment of the relationship between calcium and vitamin D levels is valid. My lab uses a normal range for calcium of 8.6–10.1 mg/dL, and I would assume that's probably reasonably representative for the industry, but individual labs may use slightly different numbers for the "normal" range. In International units, a calcium level of 2.8-3 mmol/L would be indicative of vitamin D toxicity.

My last CBC was done last October, and it showed a calcium level of 8.8 mg/mL. My last vitamin D test was done 6 months prior to that (in April), and at that point my 25(OH)D level was 55 ng/mL. I've increased my vitamin D supplement rate since October, so I need to order a test one of these days, to check my current level. All in all, though, there's a heck of a lot more to this vitamin D thing than meets the eye, that's for sure.

The Role of Vitamin D Deficiency in Thyroid Disorders

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Thanks tex for well thought out 'pondering'

I was surprised how quickly my level dropped in the 4 month 'stressful' period, it is the first time in the last 4 years that I had a doctor that agrees that it should be checked every 3-6 months.

As I have said to many before, if money is tight, bang for your buck, good quality Vit D3 supplementation will assist multiple issues and reduce quite a few symptoms.
If there is inflammation/leaky gut, spend the bit extra and get sublingual, even if you only use it until good healing has occurred, the rely on foods/tablet absorption.

In my opinion, if the Vit d 3 level in the blood/cells is not at good level, everything else you do is less efficient (borderline not useful and waste of money)
This is not just for MC, it applies to any issue, namely where inflammation is involved.
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Gabes,

Thanks for reminding me. Your post about the vitamin D/stress connection was what inspired me to write that post in the first place, and then I got so wrapped up in it that I clean forgot to even mention that effect. :lol: I think I'll go back and add that a little later — I need to run an errand first.

Yes, your experience was a very impressive demonstration of just how intricately and powerfully these issues are connected and intertwined — far beyond the comprehension of the current mainstream medicine data base.

Thanks for mentioning that experience in your original post.

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Thanks Tex. My doctor is not very good at understanding the vitamin D connection and rarely approves testing for me. :(

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Leah,

Many of us are in the same boat, including me, so I order the tests myself, as do several others here.

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After the years of discussions and articles etc on this sight, if you have to outlay for the Vit d3 test I would do it, Vit D3 levels are at the core of so much of our wellness and cell health.

If money is tight, I would ask family and friends for Xmas, or birthday etc to gift me money to go towards the test rather than outlay $5 on the card
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I am fortunate in that my primary orders my Vit D3 levels with each blood test. Recently, I've gone to a few specialists to find answers to ongoing issues I believe to be from being hypothyroid. None of the doctors will diagnose me as such. (So frustrating!) But, each has complimented me on my Vit D3 level of 85. It seems the medical community is better understanding the role of Vit D3. This does makes me think about how quickly my level can change! Kathy
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I have been getting my levels checked for a number of years at this research site. http://grassrootshealth.net/ I think the last time was around $65. When Mayo checked it, it cost around $250. Deb
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Deb wrote:I have been getting my levels checked for a number of years at this research site. http://grassrootshealth.net/ I think the last time was around $65. When Mayo checked it, it cost around $250. Deb
I get mine tested there also as have a number of other people on the forum.

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Ditto

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Post by Leah »

Thanks Deb.
Tex, I have a question. You have said many times that people with IBDs don't absorb vitamin D as well as healthy gut people. Is it because we have D or is it because of some other thing happening in the gut? When you have gotten a good amount of healing under your belt, do you then absorb it better? I take my D in a pill form. Does that mean I am wasting my money and will continue to do so since I will always "have" an IBD?

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Leah,

The vitamin D absorption problem is mostly due to the fact that vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin, meaning that it can only be absorbed into the bloodstream if it is first absorbed by the fat coursing through our small intestine. The problem is that one of the primary digestive issues of MC is that we are unable to absorb fat from the fecal stream. Therefore, most of the vitamin D gets carried on through the intestines without a chance of it being utilized.

After we begin to heal, and the malabsorption problem begins to resolve, our ability to absorb fat will improve, and as a result, our ability to absorb vitamin D will eventually be restored — maybe not quite back to original specs, but usually close enoough for all practical purposes.

Even when we are in a severe flair, we will still usually be able to absorb small percentages of vitamin D oral supplements. It's just that the amount is inadequate when conditions are so adverse. As we heal, absorptivity increases. Even "normal" people don't absorb all of their vitamin supplements. The percentage absorbed depends on the form of the supplement, and on the absorptive status of the small intestine. For some vitamins, for example, the doses are quite high, because the amount normally absorbed is relatively low, no matter how well the gut might be working.

In general, if you can absorb a reasonable amount of fat in your diet, then you can absorb vitamin D in the form of conventional supplements.

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Thank You!
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