Gluten digesting bacteria and enzymes: is that what we lack?

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:40 pm

http://experiencelife.com/article/good- ... a-welcome/

Post by **tex** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:27 pm

nerdhume wrote:isn't having the colon removed the absolute cure for MC?

That's what the medical experts claim, including the GI specialists at the hospital rated as number 1 for digestive system diseases, the Mayo Clinic.

They don't understand the disease, and they're confused about many aspects of it. Their problem is that they think that MC is a disease of the colon. Actually it's a disease of the entire GI tract.

Several years ago we had a member who's GI doc talked her into agreeing to an ileostomy, because she had refractive MC. They guaranteed her that the procedure would "cure" her. We tried to talk her out of it, but she trusted her doctors, and went through with it anyway. After the surgery, in addition to still having all of her original MC symptoms, she also had severe abdominal pains that she didn't have previously. I spoke with her on the phone a couple of times, later, and she was considering having the procedure reversed, but I haven't heard from her in a long time, so I don't know what she decided to do.

So no, a colectomy does not cure MC. There is no cure for MC. If you happened to read my book, the futility of that surgical procedure is discussed on pages 50–51. The close association between celiac disease and MC (they both affect both the small intestine and the colon, contrary to the medical descriptions of both diseases), is discussed in chapters 9 and 16, and many medical research references are cited in those chapters, to support my claims.

Tex

gluten · Post by **gluten** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:34 am

Hi Tex, Thank you for your response. I agree with you that MC effects the entire G.I. tract. IMO it definitely effects the absorption in the small intestines. I have the proof of that statement. Jon

carolm · Post by **carolm** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:15 am

And when we are talking the entire GI tract I feel like I had more inflammation in the upper GI tract than lower when I had my first big flare. The nausea and GERD were much longer lasting and more intensely problematic than any active lower GI symptoms. Now those are resolved and I'm left with motility issues, but for me the upper GI inflammation was apparent.

Carol

UkuleleLady · Post by **UkuleleLady** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:40 pm

carolm wrote:And when we are talking the entire GI tract I feel like I had more inflammation in the upper GI tract than lower when I had my first big flare. The nausea and GERD were much longer lasting and more intensely problematic than any active lower GI symptoms. Now those are resolved and I'm left with motility issues, but for me the upper GI inflammation was apparent.

Carol

Hi y'all, haven't been around for a while but wanted to chime in here. I am with Carol, in that, my upper GI tract was affected for years with GERD. Instead of a GF diet suggestion, my docs told me the only cure was to use PPIs and antacids. Only when I started having MC and chronic diarrhea did I come here and learn some useful things about diet. Now I'm about a year into a GF/DF (SF, etc) diet and have no upper GI symptoms.

In an online discussion, Dr. Marsh, one of the preeminent Celiac researchers, stated that Celiac can affect the entire digestive tract. It's the same with MC in my opinion.

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:50 am

A nice article explaining the various functions of bacteria in our GI tract. Yes, it appears they do produce vitamins for us, and neurotransmitters, among other things.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/7-things ... z2zjircxop

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:32 am

Thanks for the link very interesting....

When gut bacteria consume substrates, they produce various metabolites, the most famous of which are the short chain fatty acids butyrate, acetate, and propionate. But they also produce vitamins in the process, particularly vitamin K and the B-vitamins. According to Dr. Art Ayers, an optimally-outfitted human gut biome given sufficient dietary substrates can manufacture all the vitamins a person requires.

That would be much better than taking supplements!

Post by **tex** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:35 am

Zizzle wrote:Yes, it appears they do produce vitamins for us, and neurotransmitters, among other things.

Yep, when food rots, the decomposition produces all of those things. And that feature is actually useful to plants, when it occurs in the soil. Unfortunately, since most of the fermentation due to bacteria in the human GI tract occurs in the colon, that feature is worthless to us, because we are incapable of absorbing anything other than water and electrolytes from the contents of the colon.

IOW, our feces are loaded with nutrients (ask any plant that has been exposed to it). But that doesn't provide any direct benefits to our own health, unless we recycle the feces.

Tex