Study claiming non-celiac gluten sensitivity doesn't exist

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Study claiming non-celiac gluten sensitivity doesn't exist

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A scientist friend of mine just sent me this article. Sigh. Is he suggesting my husband and I have imagined our gluten intolerance?? I think the research was poorly done, but what are your thoughts? They blame FODMAPS (of which wheat is one).

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/20 ... exist.html

Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity May Not Exist
Subjects would be provided with every single meal for the duration of the trial. Any and all potential dietary triggers for gastrointestinal symptoms would be removed, including lactose (from milk products), certain preservatives like benzoates, propionate, sulfites, and nitrites, and fermentable, poorly absorbed short-chain carbohydrates, also known as FODMAPs. And last, but not least, nine days worth of urine and fecal matter would be collected. With this new study, Gibson wasn't messing around.

37 subjects took part, all with self-reported gluten sensitivity who were confirmed to not have celiac's disease. They were first fed a diet low in FODMAPs for two weeks, then were given one of three diets for a week with either 16 grams per day of added gluten (high-gluten), 2 grams of gluten and 14 grams of whey protein isolate (low-gluten), or 16 grams of whey protein isolate (placebo). Each subject shuffled through every single diet so that they could serve as their own controls, and none ever knew what specific diet he or she was eating. After the main experiment, a second was conducted to ensure that the whey protein placebo was suitable. In this one, 22 of the original subjects shuffled through three different diets -- 16 grams of added gluten, 16 grams of added whey protein isolate, or the baseline diet -- for three days each.

Analyzing the data, Gibson found that each treatment diet, whether it included gluten or not, prompted subjects to report a worsening of gastrointestinal symptoms to similar degrees. Reported pain, bloating, nausea, and gas all increased over the baseline low-FODMAP diet. Even in the second experiment, when the placebo diet was identical to the baseline diet, subjects reported a worsening of symptoms! The data clearly indicated that a nocebo effect, the same reaction that prompts some people to get sick from wind turbines and wireless internet, was at work here. Patients reported gastrointestinal distress without any apparent physical cause. Gluten wasn't the culprit; the cause was likely psychological. Participants expected the diets to make them sick, and so they did.

I, of course, would have been equally sick on the placebo diet which included whey protein. They claimed their placebo was lactose free, but I understand whey protein to be relatively high in lactose too. And shifting the diet every 3 days, or even weekly, would not be enough to calm the symptoms caused by the original gluten insult (for me). I'm not sure whether they used pure gluten, or whole wheat, but perhaps people with some forms of NCGS are reacting to the wheat germ agglutenin or other wheat proteins and not the gluten?

What's a good rebuttal for this research?
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Personally, I know I'm just claiming to not have the ability to eat just about EVERYTHING because I find it so trendy and love all the attention I get because I'm so different. :roll:

If only they experienced what we do..........
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Zizzle wrote:Analyzing the data, Gibson found that each treatment diet, whether it included gluten or not, prompted subjects to report a worsening of gastrointestinal symptoms to similar degrees.
Zizzle wrote:I, of course, would have been equally sick on the placebo diet which included whey protein. They claimed their placebo was lactose free, but I understand whey protein to be relatively high in lactose too. And shifting the diet every 3 days, or even weekly, would not be enough to calm the symptoms caused by the original gluten insult (for me). I'm not sure whether they used pure gluten, or whole wheat, but perhaps people with some forms of NCGS are reacting to the wheat germ agglutenin or other wheat proteins and not the gluten?
You're right on target. The half-life of anti-gliadin antibodies is 120 days. Because of that fact, a high anti-gliadin antibody level can dominate one's digestive processes for a year or more. And I'm talking about IgA antibody levels in stools. Those who design their tests based on blood levels of IgA antibodies (or IgE or IgG antivbodies) simply don't know what they're doing, because anti-gliadin antibodies do not even reach detectable levels in the blood until the damage in the small intestine reaches at least a Marsh 3 level.

I learned early on that I was unable to make any sense of my food/reaction diary when testing for various food sensitivities. I reacted randomly, and for no obvious reason. IOW, a high gluten antibody level confounds all short-term food trial tests. Many months after I cut gluten out of my diet, I was eventually able to begin to make sense of my reaction patterns, because as my anti-gliadin level began to decline, then the other secondary reactions were no longer obscured by the long-term gluten reaction.

The problem with the research you quoted is that the people who design such studies don't even know enough about gluten sensitivity to intelligently design a trial program that will provide valid results. They think in terms of short-term reactions, and gluten causes a long-term reaction.

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I have to agree, before getting tested I couldn't tell any difference in my WD no matter what I ate. I also would have been just as sick from the dairy and the last time I tried a little bit of something I was sick for 3 days so changing the diet every 3 days would show nothing.
I realize I am fairly new to this world but it makes me irate that they are insinuating we make this stuff up.
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Nerdhume wrote:I realize I am fairly new to this world but it makes me irate that they are insinuating we make this stuff up.
Well, they think they're smarter than all of us in this situation (because they have no firsthand experience with it, and because they're "experts"). The problem is that they're so ignorant that they are unable to properly define the problem, and anyone who cannot properly define a problem will never be able to find a valid solution to that problem. That's true in mathematics, physics, engineering, or whatever, and it's certainly also true in the medical world. But where they really jump the track is when they assume that their invalid solution (or invalid research) is actually a valid solution (with a valid conclusion). There's nothing wrong with being ignorant — we're all ignorant in one respect or another. But there's never a valid excuse for stupidity, especially regarding a scientific or medical claim. There's a name for such behavior — it's called "incompetence".

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I sure wish "they" could walk in our shoes just one day while eating gluten and the other intolerances.

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It drives me bonkers. Would I really want to limit myself to where/what/how I can eat and drink IF I had any choice in it? They want to see how much I'm making it up when I'm layed in agony with stomach cramps with my wife winding me like a baby to get out all the trapped gas. And then the 2 days that follow when I'm practically a zombie.

I'm actually OK here in Ecuador as practically no-one knows what gluten is let alone has an opinion on it
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Chris Kresser (solid researcher), posted a great analysis of this study looking at a number of details. I've already posted it to my Facebook page as I get so discouraged by the eye rolls and then the numerous "see I thought so" responses to this current study showing (or implying) no evidence of non-celiac gluten sensitivity.

http://chriskresser.com/is-gluten-sensitivity-real
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