Gabes,
How much of the magnesium, Vit C and Zinc do you take to help with the histamine symptoms?
Thanks,
How long before Pepto works?
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Donna,
The amounts and types of magnesium are back in a thread on page 2, halfway down.
(Marliss was the last to comment) reducing inflammation.
If you are concerned about high magnesium consumption via the gut, using sprays, using creams, soaking feet in Epsom salts are good ways to increase magnesium in the body.
The good thing about the magnesium powder I am using, I can have small amount 4 -5 times a day, rather than larger doses 2 times a day.
The amounts and types of magnesium are back in a thread on page 2, halfway down.
(Marliss was the last to comment) reducing inflammation.
If you are concerned about high magnesium consumption via the gut, using sprays, using creams, soaking feet in Epsom salts are good ways to increase magnesium in the body.
The good thing about the magnesium powder I am using, I can have small amount 4 -5 times a day, rather than larger doses 2 times a day.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Donna,
I think this is the thread that Gabes is referring to, but there are several detailed posts on page 1, rather than page 2 (unless this is the wrong thread):
Reducing Inflammation - increasing wellness
Tex
I think this is the thread that Gabes is referring to, but there are several detailed posts on page 1, rather than page 2 (unless this is the wrong thread):
Reducing Inflammation - increasing wellness
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Ah-ha! So that's what I missed. Obviously I haven't quite mastered the dialect, but I was close.Gabes wrote:(very scary that you can understand gabe speak, the page 2 reference was for page 2 of the main message board topics...
Thanks.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
pepto thread
Hi Leah and everyone who've been replying to Leah's questions.Pat N from Portland here. Newcomer to the forum as of last month. Using primarily diet to sort out the LC so far but did give Pepto a go per doc's suggestion initially. Completed a 2 week course of 9 per day just over a month ago. Didn't seem to help at that time. I then jumped into the elimination diet with both feet and started taking antihistamines. That reduced urgency and trips to the bathroom. I'm giving Pepto another go round now that the inflammation is lessened. I was intrigued by Zizzie's comment:
"think I'm about to give Pepto another try, after reading interesting info about Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowrth (SIBO). It appears SIBO that results in diarrhea is caused by hydrogen-producing bacteria overgrowing in the small intestine. Methane-producing bugs in SIBO cause constipation by decreasing motility. Anyway, I've had a total elimination of odor when I take Pepto, which should mean I am hydrogen-dominant, since the Bismuth soaks up the hydrogen. Apparently the bismuth in Pepto can even KILL these bacteria. I never took 8 pills a day . I usually took 4. It's very effiicient for me, even at low doses."
As with Zizzie I notice a vast improvement, in fact, elimination of the odor when taking Pepto. I think it also allows reduced trips to the bathroom. I may be hydrogen dominant also. I'd consider a SIBO test at some point. But first Enterolab. So spendy for the Enterolab testing but it would be helpful to have a more definitive answer on food sensitivities. Is there anyone on the forum who've gotten the tests paid for by insurance?
Again, so grateful for this forum! --Pat N
"think I'm about to give Pepto another try, after reading interesting info about Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowrth (SIBO). It appears SIBO that results in diarrhea is caused by hydrogen-producing bacteria overgrowing in the small intestine. Methane-producing bugs in SIBO cause constipation by decreasing motility. Anyway, I've had a total elimination of odor when I take Pepto, which should mean I am hydrogen-dominant, since the Bismuth soaks up the hydrogen. Apparently the bismuth in Pepto can even KILL these bacteria. I never took 8 pills a day . I usually took 4. It's very effiicient for me, even at low doses."
As with Zizzie I notice a vast improvement, in fact, elimination of the odor when taking Pepto. I think it also allows reduced trips to the bathroom. I may be hydrogen dominant also. I'd consider a SIBO test at some point. But first Enterolab. So spendy for the Enterolab testing but it would be helpful to have a more definitive answer on food sensitivities. Is there anyone on the forum who've gotten the tests paid for by insurance?
Again, so grateful for this forum! --Pat N
LC diagnosis on 3/31/2014
Pat,
Your insurance should pay for SIBO testing which is done in a gastroenterologist's office. I had it back in 2009 when I was first diagnosed, and my result was borderline, so she didn't diagnose me with SIBO. Now I've learned that having active D can result in a false negative, because there is too much movement to allow the hydrogen gas to build up to detectable levels in the breath. I've always enjoyed MC remission while on antibiotics, which is more evidence, in my opinion, that SIBO plays a role for me.
Your insurance should pay for SIBO testing which is done in a gastroenterologist's office. I had it back in 2009 when I was first diagnosed, and my result was borderline, so she didn't diagnose me with SIBO. Now I've learned that having active D can result in a false negative, because there is too much movement to allow the hydrogen gas to build up to detectable levels in the breath. I've always enjoyed MC remission while on antibiotics, which is more evidence, in my opinion, that SIBO plays a role for me.
1987 Mononucleosis (EBV)
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
It's great to see that you're having such good results this time around. IMO, elimination of odor is proof that bacteria are either being killed or incapacitated, because the odor is the result of bacteria fermenting partially-digested food.Pat wrote:As with Zizzie I notice a vast improvement, in fact, elimination of the odor when taking Pepto.
To answer your question about insurance: Yes, a minority of members here have been able to have their EnteroLab tests covered (or mostly paid) by their insurance company. It appears that a few more insurance companies are beginning to cover those tests, but progress is slow. Most insurance companies require that the tests be ordered by a doctor, which is a huge obstacle, since most doctors still don't recognize that food sensitivities are associated with IBDs, so they are unwilling to order the tests.
I believe that even in the absence of doctor cooperation, a handful of members have been able to receive reimbursement from their insurance companies directly. In order to do that, they called or emailed EnteroLab, to get the insurance codes for the tests, and then called their insurance company to inquire about their coverage (or lack thereof) for those particular test codes.
Best of luck with your continued recovery.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
More info on SIBO here:
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-11020/10 ... -sibo.html
I didn't realize the urine test I had showed yeast and bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. I thought it was just general. So that seals it...I have SIBO.
It has to be something, as I'm getting belly aches with every meal on the very restrictive autoimmune paleo diet!! D is usually only once a day, watery but without undigested food, and hideous orange and horrible odor. I know it's about bacterial imbalance.
I'm going to talk to my doc again about re-starting the Nystatin, with the Vancomycin this time, which should stop any D. The trick will be finding a probiotic I can tolerate afterwards. There's always Culturelle, S. Boullardi and water kefir. Hope that's enough.
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-11020/10 ... -sibo.html
I didn't realize the urine test I had showed yeast and bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. I thought it was just general. So that seals it...I have SIBO.
It has to be something, as I'm getting belly aches with every meal on the very restrictive autoimmune paleo diet!! D is usually only once a day, watery but without undigested food, and hideous orange and horrible odor. I know it's about bacterial imbalance.
I'm going to talk to my doc again about re-starting the Nystatin, with the Vancomycin this time, which should stop any D. The trick will be finding a probiotic I can tolerate afterwards. There's always Culturelle, S. Boullardi and water kefir. Hope that's enough.
1987 Mononucleosis (EBV)
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
Bile? Hmmm, that's interesting Tex, considering at least two of the Ds I had before the watery orange arrived were very shiny...fat malabsorption? Tonight I had my first brown, not so watery D in a week. Phew! What might cause a sudden inability to produce bile? The Nystatin experiment from 2 weeks ago? I've been very careful about diet, although still eating salads on occasion.
1987 Mononucleosis (EBV)
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
That's usually due to an obstruction in the bile duct, but apparently if that was the problem, it was only temporary, and it took care of itself.Zizzle wrote:What might cause a sudden inability to produce bile?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi, sorry for the late reply but I haven't been online for a while. The Pepto worked for me after a few days. I took 6 tablets a day for 8 weeks. At the time I began taking it I was having 6/7 explosive episodes a day. I cut back to 4/day after a few weeks when I became constipated. I also eliminated gluten & dairy when I began the Pepto so I'm sure that helped as well. Good luck to you. I know it seems like it will never end, hang in there!