Zizzle

Pat · Post by **Pat** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:03 pm

Recently on a post that I cannot find now you said that when you were drinking water kefir you had normal BM's. My question is why are you not continuing to drink it? and what is the recipe that you use? I went to our local hfs and they do not have the crystals to make it and there are endless recipes on the internet. Where did you get your starter crystals?

Pat

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:00 pm

Hi Pat,
Here is my original thread about my water kefir journey. I ordered my grains from Keysands.com. The normans started within weeks and promptly disappeared about 7 days after I stopped drinking it. I stopped because I was going to NIH for a 3-day research study and didn't want to skew any results. I also had a urine test that suggested SIBO, and I have to be off probiotics for a few weeks to get an accurate test result. I should have completed the darn test by now, but it requires you to be on a virtually fiber-free diet for 36 hours before the test, and I'm enjoying too much fruit and summer vegetables! I've started my 36 hours today and will be getting my kefir grains of out hibernation in the fridge this week. I also may supplement with fermented saurkraut too.

Keep in mind I was on 10 mgs prednisone when I started, which probably masked any histamine reactions to the fermented sugar water. I'm on 5 mgs now, which is considered a replacement cortisol dose, so we'll see how I react the second time around.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18947

Pat · Post by **Pat** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:09 pm

Thanks, Zizzle. Hope it works again for you.

Pat

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:12 am

Thanks for the link Zizzle, I had not read that thread before.
I swear by VSL #3 probiotics and water kefir. I squeeze a lemon in mine and have lemonade.
I have noticed NO odor from normans. This makes me think most of the 'bad' bacteria have been replaced with 'good'.
I read that 60% of the bm is made up of bacteria!
I currently feel better than I have in many years. Off all meds except 50 MG Nortriptyline at bedtime.

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:57 pm

The new doctor I saw last week, where healing leaky gut is key to so many health issues, said that single strain pre-biotic, pro-biotic, digest enzyme worked far far better than the products with multi strains.
Staged approached over long period of time.

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:29 pm

Gabes, which single strain of probiotic is recommended?

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:37 pm

Pro-biotic -Sb boulardi
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN60801 ... 4776.shtml

This is the first pro biotic I have been able to use since my mc Dx 4.5years ago.
I have tried many, tried quarter and half doses at various times no luck.

Most the practitioners focussing on healing leaky gut are using this form.

In my case the higher doses of magnesium and Vit C was working their magic on the histamine inflammation when I started the sb boulardi

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:40 pm

FYI, S. boulardi is a yeast, not a bacteria. I tolerate it well too.

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:25 am

Here's a link to the different strains in the 'medical food' I take.
http://www.vsl3.com/discover.asp

This link is to the info from my GI.
http://nacgiconsultants.com/category-view.php?id=57

Here's a list of what may be in water kefir:

Bacteria
Species Lactobacillus
L. acidophilus
L. alactosus
L. brevis
L. bulgaricus
L. casei subsp. casei
L. casei subsp. pseudoplantarum
L. casei subsp. rhamnosus
L. casei subsp. tolerans
L. coryneformis subsp. torquens
L. fructosus
L. hilgardii
L. homohiochi
L. plantarum
L. psuedoplantarum
L. reuterietc
L. yamanashiensis

Species Streptococcus
S. agalactiae
Sr. bovis
S. cremeris
S. faecalis
S. lactis
S. mutans
S. pneumoniae
S. pyogenes
S. salivarius
S. sanguinis
S. suis
S. viridans

Species Pediococcus
P. damnosus

Species Leuconostoc
L. mesenteroides

Species Bacillus
B. subtilis
B. graveolus

Yeast
Species Saccharomyces
S. bayanus
S. boullardii
S. cerevisiae
S. florentinus
S. pretoriensis
S. uvarum

Species Kloeckera
K. apiculata

Species Hansenula
H. yalbensis

Species Candida
C. gueretana
C. lamica
C. valida

Species Torulopsis
T. insconspicna

dfpowell · Post by **dfpowell** » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:34 pm

Theresa,

Where do you get your water kefir?

Thanks,

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:46 am

Donna,
This is a link to a previous discussion:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ht=#157737

I bought my grains in April from KefirLife on ebay. I have given away grains several times, they keep multiplying!
http://www.kefirlife.com/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1CUP-LIVE-ACTIV ... OC:US:3160

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:21 am

Interesting blog post:

http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com ... unity.html