Something very interesting.....
Since starting my higher doses of magnesium, I decided to stop Vit D3 supplementation and then see what happens to the Vit D3 level in the next test.
The protocol of high dose of magnesium, Vit C has vastly reduced inflammation, for the first time in 2 years I am not taking any antihistamines. my poop, ( colour, smell, consistency, gas, pain, motility) is the best it has been in over 6 years.
The symptoms of the fibromyalgia are also improved from the magnesium.
I have not supplemented the Vit D3 at all for over 9 weeks.
A blood test last week, my level increased, yep INCREASED!!!
From 56 to 64.
Keep in mind that in the period of high stress, high inflammation, my level halved!
(Nov 2013-Mar 2014 went from 116 to 56 )
IMO it highlights the importance of minimising inflammation, and minimising nutrient deficiencies occurring.
Very Interesting Vit D3 /magnesium.
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Gabes-Apg
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Very Interesting Vit D3 /magnesium.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Did you know that vitamin D deficiency is often misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia? I have a hunch that may also apply to magnesium deficiency.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have a friend dx with MS and after all the tests they determined it was Vitamin D deficiency.
IMO drs just use 'fibromyalgia' when they don't know what else to do. I had that dx a few years back and my PCP just kept giving me stronger and stronger pain meds. I have to be thankful that I finally was dx MC & UC and found this group. Otherwise I know I would still be on all the meds for arthritis and fibro that in my case was no doubt caused by food intolerance. Within a few days of going GF, DF, EF & SF all that stopped and I haven't taken anything for pain other than an occasional Tylenol in 3 months now.
I can tell when I have had a small amount of gluten because the aching will start again.
I have also started taking Vitamin D3 & magnesium so those might have helped as well. I took vitamin d before, but it also had soy so probably wasn't very helpful to me.
At lunch today I had a slice of tomato!!!!! Never thought I would get that excited about it. Our farmer's market on the square has wonderful produce. I finally got the nerve to try raw tomato....so far so good...fingers crossed.
IMO drs just use 'fibromyalgia' when they don't know what else to do. I had that dx a few years back and my PCP just kept giving me stronger and stronger pain meds. I have to be thankful that I finally was dx MC & UC and found this group. Otherwise I know I would still be on all the meds for arthritis and fibro that in my case was no doubt caused by food intolerance. Within a few days of going GF, DF, EF & SF all that stopped and I haven't taken anything for pain other than an occasional Tylenol in 3 months now.
I can tell when I have had a small amount of gluten because the aching will start again.
I have also started taking Vitamin D3 & magnesium so those might have helped as well. I took vitamin d before, but it also had soy so probably wasn't very helpful to me.
At lunch today I had a slice of tomato!!!!! Never thought I would get that excited about it. Our farmer's market on the square has wonderful produce. I finally got the nerve to try raw tomato....so far so good...fingers crossed.
Theresa
MC and UC 2014
in remission since June 1, 2014
We must all suffer one of two things: the pain of discipline or the pain of regret. ~Jim Rohn
MC and UC 2014
in remission since June 1, 2014
We must all suffer one of two things: the pain of discipline or the pain of regret. ~Jim Rohn
Theresa wrote:IMO drs just use 'fibromyalgia' when they don't know what else to do.
Fibromyalgia is the "IBS" of body aches and pains.Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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and the fatigue and lethargy called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
I agree with both of you and it is sad to see the health system in its current state and the impact on so many people and their wellness.
in the mean time I will keep being a Magnesium Activist! and encourage people to take good doses of lingual Vit D3.
I agree with both of you and it is sad to see the health system in its current state and the impact on so many people and their wellness.
in the mean time I will keep being a Magnesium Activist! and encourage people to take good doses of lingual Vit D3.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Very interesting Gabes.
I really haven't been on here in a while...just one post a few weeks ago. But I didn't think we could tolerate Magnesium. My cardiologist wants me to take it but I'm too scared to as it can cause D. What kind do you take and how much? I really need to be on some for my heart rate but totally terrified. I already take a good Vit.D3 supplement from Lanolin not soy.
Thanks,
Terri
I really haven't been on here in a while...just one post a few weeks ago. But I didn't think we could tolerate Magnesium. My cardiologist wants me to take it but I'm too scared to as it can cause D. What kind do you take and how much? I really need to be on some for my heart rate but totally terrified. I already take a good Vit.D3 supplement from Lanolin not soy.
Thanks,
Terri
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis in July, 2012 then with Celiac in November, 2012.
HEY TERRI! There was a lengthy thread about magnesium here a couple weeks back. I'm sure Tex can find it for you. I can't orally take it either, but I recently bought a lotion with magnesium in it and I just put it on my body every day. I think it is making a difference :) Hope everything is good with you
Leah
Leah
I think this list includes most of the most recent threads about magnesium:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19919
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19962
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19968
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19948
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19963
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20041
Tex
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19919
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19962
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19968
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19948
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19963
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20041
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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This one shows the value for money for using the mag oil.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19980
For d dominate MC'ers, derma application should not cause any change to BM.
You may be able to take small amount of mag orally, make sure you do small amounts 3-4 times a day.
Throughout the posts with the info straight from the book, magnesium miracle; - and various discussions over the years on this forum, we know that everyone is different.
there are many different forms of magnesium, each form/type of magnesium is absorbed differently, used by the body differently.
I am using high doses of magnesium & Vit C as a balance for histamine/mast cell. Since taking the high dose of these I have not used any anti-histamines.
The powder and tablets I am taking, have different types of magnesium, so those coupled with the spray and Epsom salt soaks, I am having 5-6 different types of magnesium.
Good luck!!!
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19980
For d dominate MC'ers, derma application should not cause any change to BM.
You may be able to take small amount of mag orally, make sure you do small amounts 3-4 times a day.
Throughout the posts with the info straight from the book, magnesium miracle; - and various discussions over the years on this forum, we know that everyone is different.
there are many different forms of magnesium, each form/type of magnesium is absorbed differently, used by the body differently.
I am using high doses of magnesium & Vit C as a balance for histamine/mast cell. Since taking the high dose of these I have not used any anti-histamines.
The powder and tablets I am taking, have different types of magnesium, so those coupled with the spray and Epsom salt soaks, I am having 5-6 different types of magnesium.
Good luck!!!
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
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Terre
If I was D dominate and worried about the mag loosening the stools;
I would use the spray 3 times per day, if working, put some in a small travel bottle and put it on my arms and legs through the day. Aim to get 7-9ml on the body through the day.
And take Small amount of good quality tablet, take small dose am and pm.
The tablets I take are avail in the USA, easy to halve/quarter.
I would start with 1/4 tablet once a day, after 4 days do 1/4 tab am and pm.
4 days later, If the poop is ok, have 1/2 tablet pm, 1/4 tablet am.
4 days later if poop is still ok, have 1/2 tablet am and pm.
If I was D dominate and worried about the mag loosening the stools;
I would use the spray 3 times per day, if working, put some in a small travel bottle and put it on my arms and legs through the day. Aim to get 7-9ml on the body through the day.
And take Small amount of good quality tablet, take small dose am and pm.
The tablets I take are avail in the USA, easy to halve/quarter.
I would start with 1/4 tablet once a day, after 4 days do 1/4 tab am and pm.
4 days later, If the poop is ok, have 1/2 tablet pm, 1/4 tablet am.
4 days later if poop is still ok, have 1/2 tablet am and pm.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
OH wow..I have a lot to read over..lol!
Gabes, that's quite amazing that you are off the anti-histamines...great news. I will try the spray if I can find it anywhere. And take your advice on the tablet regimen if I chose to go that route. I didn't realize it helped with inflammation. I'm fixing to start a multi-vitamin as well as I know I'm not getting enough Vit C. And now I hear about how well it can protect the heart so I'm going to try a mulit-vitamin...a gummy one that someone mentioned...MultiVites.
Leah...I'm doing well thank you! Hope you are too! I did a no no last week and had too much hummus dip...got nauseous. Going on my "Do Not Eat" list.
Tex...thanks for all the links.
Terri
Gabes, that's quite amazing that you are off the anti-histamines...great news. I will try the spray if I can find it anywhere. And take your advice on the tablet regimen if I chose to go that route. I didn't realize it helped with inflammation. I'm fixing to start a multi-vitamin as well as I know I'm not getting enough Vit C. And now I hear about how well it can protect the heart so I'm going to try a mulit-vitamin...a gummy one that someone mentioned...MultiVites.
Leah...I'm doing well thank you! Hope you are too! I did a no no last week and had too much hummus dip...got nauseous. Going on my "Do Not Eat" list.
Tex...thanks for all the links.
Terri
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis in July, 2012 then with Celiac in November, 2012.
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Terri
the spray is available on line, you can buy it direct from the manufacturer
http://www.ancient-minerals.com/
I am sure it would be available online from multiple resellers.
The inflammation/histamine benefits is why i typed up all the informative posts. If you have the inflammation managed, then proper healing and cell regeneration can occur (zinc and Vit C are crucial for cell rebuild) leaky gut heals, all the digestive organs improve, with optimised digestion nutritional absorption is optimised + nutritional deficiencies reduced
My doctor and nutritionist are very confident that with Pyrrole correction, optimised digestion, no excess inflammation, I can get off the heart/hypertension meds within 2 years.
There is a post about magnesium and heart from the book.
The other awesome item that is good for heart, adrenal, immune system is CoQ10.
Its not cheap, compared to the Vit C and Magnesium, albeit it has multiple benefits.
I use a soy free Lingual lozenge (taking it this way helps gums and teeth as well)
If your budget is tight, stick with the Magnesium, Vit C, Zinc and Vit D3.
Something of note, in the past week I had to chaperon my sister for her followup appointment with 'guru specialist' - he is immunologist/allergist/general med surgeon. He has a 4 month waiting list, initial appointments are $600, 15 min follow ups are $200
People all over the state travel to see him when no other doctor or specialist can diagnose issues
in a quick 5 min chat about me, my genes and my current health stuff, he was impressed with the protocol i was doing and the results thus far. my approach of 'informed self management' collaborated with the nutritionist and a general practitioner with pyrrole experience, I was achieving the same outcomes for 1/4 of the cost!!
Thus far, most of these practitioners the first step is Gluten and Dairy Free, low inflammation eating plan. Fix the digestion, heal the leaky gut, help the adrenals and immune system, then delve further for other issues.
until the inflammation is 'managed/balanced' there is minimal improvement in other areas. Doing the supplements/nutrients for the other issues is almost a waste until digestion is improved.
the spray is available on line, you can buy it direct from the manufacturer
http://www.ancient-minerals.com/
I am sure it would be available online from multiple resellers.
The inflammation/histamine benefits is why i typed up all the informative posts. If you have the inflammation managed, then proper healing and cell regeneration can occur (zinc and Vit C are crucial for cell rebuild) leaky gut heals, all the digestive organs improve, with optimised digestion nutritional absorption is optimised + nutritional deficiencies reduced
My doctor and nutritionist are very confident that with Pyrrole correction, optimised digestion, no excess inflammation, I can get off the heart/hypertension meds within 2 years.
There is a post about magnesium and heart from the book.
The other awesome item that is good for heart, adrenal, immune system is CoQ10.
Its not cheap, compared to the Vit C and Magnesium, albeit it has multiple benefits.
I use a soy free Lingual lozenge (taking it this way helps gums and teeth as well)
If your budget is tight, stick with the Magnesium, Vit C, Zinc and Vit D3.
Something of note, in the past week I had to chaperon my sister for her followup appointment with 'guru specialist' - he is immunologist/allergist/general med surgeon. He has a 4 month waiting list, initial appointments are $600, 15 min follow ups are $200
People all over the state travel to see him when no other doctor or specialist can diagnose issues
in a quick 5 min chat about me, my genes and my current health stuff, he was impressed with the protocol i was doing and the results thus far. my approach of 'informed self management' collaborated with the nutritionist and a general practitioner with pyrrole experience, I was achieving the same outcomes for 1/4 of the cost!!
Thus far, most of these practitioners the first step is Gluten and Dairy Free, low inflammation eating plan. Fix the digestion, heal the leaky gut, help the adrenals and immune system, then delve further for other issues.
until the inflammation is 'managed/balanced' there is minimal improvement in other areas. Doing the supplements/nutrients for the other issues is almost a waste until digestion is improved.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Unless you're taking a statin (Terri), in which case you should definitely take CoQ10, because the depletion of CoQ10 by statins is the reason why many people develop severe muscle problems while taking a statin (and remember that the heart is a muscle).Gabes wrote:If your budget is tight, stick with the Magnesium, Vit C, Zinc and Vit D3.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thank you Gabes for the link to the spray! I will look into it. I've been healing I guess for 2 years....adding a lot more foods and doing well. Still think there is some inflammation tho but don't know for sure. My digestion seems to be very good so I'm ready for some vitamins. I'm like low normal with the potassium...that much I know for sure. Been drinking apple cider vinegar every other day 1 1/2 tsp and really like it and tolerate it well. Seems to help my fluttering heart. Thanks for all your knowledge. I'll look for a multi with zinc in it too.
Tex, yes I read about that. Even told my parents. Luckily I'm not on statins...I seem to do okay with my diet changes but can't seem to get my LDL down below 100 ...it's at 120. Everything else is awesome. But no way I will let doctor put me on a statin with the numbers I have: HDL - 74, LDL - 120, Trigs - 128. I will refuse them. I've been wanting to try the CoQ10 as well but will start one at a time and see how I do.
Gabes: What is the name of the coQ10 lozenge you use? My vitamin levels seem to be pretty good especially my B12 after taking the chewables. It's just the potassium that I'd like to get up. As for Magnesium, my doctor doesn't check me for that. I also wonder why they don't check my cortisol levels either. Something to ask my doctor in 6 months when I go back.
Thanks again,
Terri
Tex, yes I read about that. Even told my parents. Luckily I'm not on statins...I seem to do okay with my diet changes but can't seem to get my LDL down below 100 ...it's at 120. Everything else is awesome. But no way I will let doctor put me on a statin with the numbers I have: HDL - 74, LDL - 120, Trigs - 128. I will refuse them. I've been wanting to try the CoQ10 as well but will start one at a time and see how I do.
Gabes: What is the name of the coQ10 lozenge you use? My vitamin levels seem to be pretty good especially my B12 after taking the chewables. It's just the potassium that I'd like to get up. As for Magnesium, my doctor doesn't check me for that. I also wonder why they don't check my cortisol levels either. Something to ask my doctor in 6 months when I go back.
Thanks again,
Terri
Diagnosed with Lymphocytic Colitis in July, 2012 then with Celiac in November, 2012.
Terri,
It's almost impossible to get a doctor to check magnesium correctly. Most of them will insist on a blood test, but the blood test is worthless because the body keeps the serum magnesium level within the normal range as long as there is any magnesium left anywhere in your body, so by the time the blood test shows magnesium to be low, it is dangerously low.
The correct way to test for magnesium is to do a tissue test.
Tex
It's almost impossible to get a doctor to check magnesium correctly. Most of them will insist on a blood test, but the blood test is worthless because the body keeps the serum magnesium level within the normal range as long as there is any magnesium left anywhere in your body, so by the time the blood test shows magnesium to be low, it is dangerously low.
The correct way to test for magnesium is to do a tissue test.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.