Diagnosed with H. Pyroli Infection

[nsaidcolitis]

Hey guys I was wondering what is your opinion on treatment for H. Pyroli Infection?

I have had too many stomach problems the past few months despite having almost no symptoms in the colon(other than the chronic pain) from MC. But I had an endoscopy and it showed moderate to severe gastritis + the biopsy showed H. Pyroli infection and you can already guess what I have been prescribed : antibiotics + PPI. I haven't said anything to the doctor or commented on it yet but I was wondering what is you guys intake on this. I've had gastritis since last year I think before the pain in the colon started but it seemed to have gone away for 8 months now its back full vengeance so I'm not sure if these are two separate issues or the same and if I should follow the doctor's advice...I think I will because I still need to get rid of H. Pyroli as it has some controversial complications later on.

Any info on this will help if you can thanks :).

I'm scared of the PPIs....more than the antibiotics btw.

[Gabes-Apg]

if you can, dont take the PPI's

A great alternative to the PPI's is high doses of Vit D3, Magnesium, Potassium.

quick google search brought up this result
http://www.smart-publications.com/artic ... rom-ulcers

one mentioned in this article is Curcumin, there are some fantastic Theracurmin products available. Alot of practitioners are using this for people with IBD's leaky gut.

another item mentioned in the article is Ginger, this is a ginger based product I have used;
http://biohawk.com.au/wellness-digeste.html
the liquid is not available to go overseas, but there is a powder form that can be purchased and sent to USA

good luck

[nsaidcolitis]

Hi thanks for your advice. I've been taking magnesium for a while now 400mg daily also recently taking high dose vitamin D3 but will add potassium didn't know that. Magnesium has helped me go to the bathroom better but some brands caused me terrible stomach pains all over and had to find the right brand which may have contributed to the gastritis flare up.


I'm thinking of taking antibiotics and zantac....I was on PPIs in high doses last year and large doses of NSAIDs for another condition I had and I'm sure that caused all my mystery to this date .

I am playing russian roulette right now

[tex]

I'm scared of the PPIs....more than the antibiotics btw.

Unfortunately, the combination of a couple of antibiotics and a PPI are SOP for treating H. pylori, and the treatment is much more successful than earlier treatments (prior to 1989) when PPIs were not available. With any luck at all, it should be only a 1-week treatment. Anyway, the point is, I doubt that your doctor (or any doctor) would endorse a treatment program without a PPI. Of course I could be wrong, so it shouldn't hurt to ask.

Some researchers claim that H. pylori are protective of GERD, Barrett's Esophagus, and esophageal cancer, which is certainly possible, but personally I believe that the increase in diagnoses of those issues following the eradication of H. pylori is due primarily to the rebound effect (of acid production) caused by the discontinuation of PPIs. The discontinuation of PPI treatments has been documented by research to cause a significantly-increased risk of developing acid reflux. IOW, IMO, it's not the eradication of H. pylori that causes the acid reflux problem, it's the use and then discontinuation of PPIs.

So IMO, it would be a very good idea to be aware of the acid reflux risk following treatment, and it would be prudent to follow procedures known to minimize the risk of acid reflux for a couple of months or so following the treatment. IOW, don't eat foods associated with increased reflux risk, and don't eat for several hours prior to bedtime. And most importantly, don't sleep on your right side, at least for several months following discontinuation of PPI treatment. This is strictly my opinion, and as far as I know, it's not endorsed by any medical professionals (although it certainly should be, IMO).

You might find it helpful to read what Wikipedia has to say about H. pylori, just for general information.

Helicobacter pylori

Tex

[Gabes-Apg]

If you can get the magnesium up to 800mg or more.
A very cost effective way to do high dose magnesium is using the Spray, this will allow you to take high doses and not risk any D issues.
you could even spray it on the stomach chest area to optimise absorption where needed.
mg of Magnesium per dollar it is half the cost of good quality tablets/powders
Info is here: http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19980

I needed the Vit D3 at 5000iu per day minimum when there was GERD/hiaitus hernia issues, if you can increase the magnesium to 800mg or more, then the Vit D3 will be more effective. (this past fortnight I have had bronchitis and I am doing 10,000iu per day of the Vit D3, and over 1200mg of the Magnesium per day to help the body cope with the inflammation)

If there are ulcer/major inflammation issues in the lower esophagus area, cofactors and B absorption may also be affected

[nsaidcolitis]

Thanks for your advice guys. This is a new GI btw. If I up to 600mg orally I get diarrhea, 400mg is nice for me. but magnesium in spray may work too :) didn't think about that one !



Yeah tex I kind of knew he wouldn't agree with the zantac thats why I didn't say a word. I just left quietly to think about it hard.

Also don't worry guys I know you are not doctors(but some of you should be IMO ) I just asked to have a very good and balanced information before pulling the trigger you know and you guys are helping with that :).



Is it a good idea to take probiotics with the antibiotics or right after or none at all? btw? Anybody knows?

PS:Oh yeah forgot to say this, in case someone doesn't believe her it is true the vit D3 did help with the burping like crazy I was having and the full stomach feeling, i started to see a huge decrease didn't know why but as she told me to make a journal i found out i took the vit d3 the same day my stomach started to feel empty and i actually felt hungry (the gastritis or w/e it was made me full all the time and bloated). I also decreased all starches(except white rice) for a few months so that might have helped a bit with it too.
Also if you read my other posts i was intolerant to rice but I think I'm growing tolerance to it who knows :S, which is good cuz my weight actually went up quite quickly instead of going down 1lb/week after adding it(just 1 pound btw . , yeah this is huge for me)

[Gabes-Apg]

Experience thus far with probiotics, my opinion, they dont work while there is inflammation.
reduce/minimise the inflammation first and a single strain type prebiotic or probiotic can work.

I have had good results with SB boullardi

Understand about the D and magnesium, that is why derma application is awesome for MC'ers
If you have a spare 10 mins, read the sticky that contains info about Magnesium. Alot of health issues (especially those with inflammation) are linked to Mag deficiency.

In 8 weeks of taking high doses Magnesium/Vit C/Zinc, I no longer have to take antihistamines daily, and I have halved the amount of pain killers for the FMS.
I have more energy, less brain fog. My poop is the best it has been in over 6-8 years!!!!

[tex]

Is it a good idea to take probiotics with the antibiotics or right after or none at all? btw? Anybody knows?

While a handful of members here have posted that probiotics seem to be helpful for them, as Gabes mentioned, the vast majority of us find that they either do nothing at all, or make our symptoms much worse (IOW some of us react adversely to many probiotic products). That said, the probiotics that seem to be the least likely to cause us to react are typically the natural forms, such as the bacteria available in sauerkraut, water keifer, Kimchi, kombucha tea, pickles, etc.

After we are in remission, and our gut has had some time to heal, then we can usually tolerate additional types of probiotic products much more readily, but while we are reacting, probiotics usually won't work for most of us. YMMV.

However, to address your specific question, when taking an antibiotic regimen, especially if it includes an antibiotic as commonly-associated with causing C. diff as amoxicillin (which is often prescribed for treating an H. phlori infection), it's usually a good idea to take a high-bacteria count probiotic (such as VSL#3) for a couple of weeks, starting the same day that the antibiotic treatment is completed, in order to prevent any surviving C. diff bacteria from establishing a population in your gut before more benign species can become re-established. For all I know, the S. boullardi that Gabes mentioned might work just as well for this purpose, but the higher the population count the better, because most of them won't survive the trip through the stomach (stomach acid kills most bacteria), unless you continue to take a PPI.

Bear in mind that PPIs continue to suppress stomach acid production for at least 3 days after they are discontinued, so for the first few days after the antibiotics are stopped, a good probiotic may be extremely important, because if there happen to be any C. diff bacteria in any of your food (or your environment), they would have a free pass through your stomach for at least 3 days after you stop using the PPI.

Since you mentioned a "full stomach feeling", I should mention that this symptom is typically associated with gastroparesis (delayed stomach emptying). Gastroparesis is a common (and serious) problem sometimes associated with diabetes, but it can occur for other reasons as well, and one of those reasons is MC. Gastroparesis is a major cause of nausea/vomiting for some of us, associated with MC. If you ask a GI doc, she or he will tell you that nausea is not a symptom of MC, but I'm here to tell you that they are dead wrong on that assumption (and it is nothing more than an assumption on their part, because no one has ever done the research to rule out nausea as a symptom of MC — doctors just assume that there's no association, because nausea was not mentioned in the original description of MC). I had major nausea/vomiting issues whenever I was reacting, and that is also true for many other members here.

Anyway, my point here is that research shows that vitamin D also helps to minimize gastroparesis problems, so that's why taking vitamin D helped to relieve your "full stomach feeling". And of course, with gastroparesis, the food stuck in the stomach provides no nutrition, because it spoils (ferments) and does little more than feed the bacteria. The fermenting food produces gas, which causes excess burping, of course.

Vitamin D status and delayed gastric emptying: An unknown relationship?

Tex