Most Probiotic Products Are Worthless

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Most Probiotic Products Are Worthless

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Hi All,

As most of you are aware, I have long maintained that most products promoted and sold as beneficial to health by virtue of the "probiotics" they contain, are pretty much worthless for treating MC. Note that I do not claim that all probiotics are worthless, just most of them. In some circumstances I believe that the correct probiotic mix might be very beneficial — the problem is that we will never be able to buy that product from a manufacturer, because we each require our own special formulation, and the manufacturers are incapable of responding to that need. Therefore, if we happen to accidentally discover a probiotic that actually works for us, we are the exception, not the rule, and we can consider ourselves to be lucky.

But the subject of this post is not probiotics in general, it's about probiotic drinks and supplements that are currently flooding the grocery stores. These products have become so popular that some manufacturers are even considering adding probiotics to various food items such as bread, energy bars, snack foods, and anything else they can think of that might benefit from the advertising hype that gullible, probiotic-craving consumers fall for. If they have their way, eventually we might not be able to buy any processed foods that do not contain the very thing that we try to maintain sanitary conditions in order to avoid, namely bacteria. :roll: The problem of course is that most of these products are worthless, as far as probiotic benefits are concerned.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that as difficult as it can be to keep the bacteria in dedicated probiotic supplements alive and active, and then get them past the acidic environment in the stomach (designed to kill bacteria) in sufficient quantities to actually have any beneficial effect, the odds of them surviving in various mainstream food products, without any special handling restrictions, are rather slim. And finally, someone has done a study that reveals the obvious. A study at the University College London shows that 7 out of 8 such products simply don't deliver what they claim. Needless to say, that's an extremely disappointing performance level, but anyone who is surprised at that revelation hasn't been paying attention. According to the article at the link below:
Probiotic drinks and supplements are likely to have no health benefits, according to a study.

Six in 10 British households buy probiotics regularly. Their use has grown significantly in recent years, led by brands such as Yakult and Actimel.

The products claim to introduce “good” bacteria to the gut to help with a range of conditions. But scientists at University College London put eight probiotic products through three tests and found only one passed all of them.
Why claims for good bacteria drinks may be difficult to stomach

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Yes, Tex, it is so weird that so many are paying for supplements in general that we wouldn't need if there weren't so many toxins in today's food and so many 'dead' (that is what Jon Gabriel - The Gabriel Method - calls processed food) foods.
I do take some acidophilus, I've been doing it for so long, I think an alternative doctor got me on to it decades ago. She also loved zinc if I recall.
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Tex,

Couldn't agree with you more.......especially your comment that a probiotic would have to be tailored to an individual's gut bacterial makeup to be effective. Thanks for posting.

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Oops! :oops: I noticed a bad typo in my post. It wasn't 1 out of 8 products that failed to deliver what the label claimed — it was 7 out of 8. :lol:

I edited the post so that it now shows the correct numbers. Sorry about that.

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Tex,
I know the paleo community recommend that you eat things like sauerkraut, kefir, kombucha. Is that something you think could benefit someone who has MC? I know that histamine could be an issue with sauerkraut.
Chris Kresser recommend SBO’s like Prescript-Assist Probiotic, what is your opinion on that kind of Probiotic?
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Jonas wrote:Tex,
I know the paleo community recommend that you eat things like sauerkraut, kefir, kombucha. Is that something you think could benefit someone who has MC? I know that histamine could be an issue with sauerkraut.
Chris Kresser recommend SBO’s like Prescript-Assist Probiotic, what is your opinion on that kind of Probiotic?
I've always wondered why they feel obligated to recommend things like that. Does anyone really believe that the paleo people actually ate foods such as that? They lived off wildlife first, and plants second. And if they were starving, they would eat almost anything. Sure, they often ate offal whenever they made a kill (which often contained fermented plant matter, and some tribes considered it to be a delicacy, but that's not quite the same as the fermented items that are listed. Since the paleo people didn't have gardens, why would they make sauerkraut?

That said, I occasionally ate sauerkraut while I was recovering, but that was after I had been in remission for quite a while. For most of us, the blander we keep our diet, the faster we recover, but in certain special cases, I will concede that it's not impossible that something of that sort might possibly be helpful (or at least not harmful). We're all different.

I know nothing about "Prescript-Assist Probiotic", unfortunately. I had never heard of it before you mentioned it. I'm a big Chris Kressor fan, but I'm always suspicious of doctors or other "authorities" who sell the very products that they recommend:

http://store.chriskresser.com/products/ ... -probiotic

That said, if he recommends it, I doubt that it would hurt you, but I would be very surprised if it would actually provide any significant benefits. But my guess is probably worth about 2 cents. :lol:

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I have had good outcome from using SB Boullardi. As have some other MC'ers.
A lot of practitioners in Aus are using it for anyone with leaky gut and are achieving great results.

I only took it for 4 months. In 6 months time we will do a gut permeability test and see if I need it again.
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I have been taking Saccharomyces Boulardii + MOS for several years. I am not sure if it's doing anything significant or not. What do you think?

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Hi Nancy,

The type of product that you are taking was not involved in the study that I posted about. S. boulardii is a yeast (not a bacterium), and research shows that unlike the type of products involved in the study, S. boullardii is capable of surviving the trip through the stomach (IOW, stomach acid does not kill it), so it is actually capable of doing what it is sold to do.

It's difficult to tell whether or not it may be providing any benefits for you, because it's almost impossible to tell whether it might have prevented something from developing. Many studies have been done that show that S. boulardii can be helpful in preventing many GI disorders in some cases. It's considered to be generally safe, except that a risk may exist for immunocompromised patients. Here is a summary of some of the research:

Efficacy and safety of the probiotic Saccharomyces boulardii for the prevention and therapy of gastrointestinal disorders

IMO, taking S. boulardii is a lot less likely to cause problems for someone who has MC than any of the bacterium-based probiotic products, but I'm just going by the information available online, and the experiences of members here. I've never used any commercial probiotic product.

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Of course, as we always say, we are all different.

Way back when I first sent a stool sample off to enterolab, they were offering a free test for sensitivity to S. boulardii at that time. You guessed it! My test was positive for antibodies to it. Thus, I have avoided it all these years.

I am also one who has always felt worse whenever trying a probiotic, and I have tried quite a variety of them. Sigh.

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I have a hunch that the vast majority of us are much better off without any probiotics, and we tend to recover faster and more reliably without them, but some of us seem to be able to take them and still recover (in spite of them :lol: )

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Thank you Tex for that article.

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