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Tex,
Food info seems hard to come by for processed foods rather than whole foods. Have you considered taking a supplement? Thorne makes a vitaminD3/k2 liquid supplement. Iherb carries it. Most K2 is derived from soy but this is soy free. You could, of course, juice greens if you felt so inclined.
Jean
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Tex:
I think trying K2 is an excellent idea. K2 is yet another nutrient requred to incorporate calcium into bone instead of other places. It could be PTH, so I am glad you are having those levels tested. Since we are speculating, let me suggest yet another angle to consider. It could be due to the clopidogrel. I am aware that hypercalcemia is not listed as one of its side effects but blood thinners do affect calcium metabolism. Also, paradoxically, high blood calcium levels can actually indicate a deficiency. The body tries to compensate by pulling calcium from the bones into the blood for its other many functions.
Dr. Ann
I think trying K2 is an excellent idea. K2 is yet another nutrient requred to incorporate calcium into bone instead of other places. It could be PTH, so I am glad you are having those levels tested. Since we are speculating, let me suggest yet another angle to consider. It could be due to the clopidogrel. I am aware that hypercalcemia is not listed as one of its side effects but blood thinners do affect calcium metabolism. Also, paradoxically, high blood calcium levels can actually indicate a deficiency. The body tries to compensate by pulling calcium from the bones into the blood for its other many functions.
Dr. Ann
Hi Jean,
I may go the supplement route. I just thought that juice would be better than a pill. Of course making my own would be best, but the choice of fresh veggies on a year-round basis from the stores in the small towns around here would be limited at best. Basically I would be looking at carrots, celery, and tomatoes, most of the time.
And it's usually difficult to overdose on vitamins from food, whereas it can easily happen with certain vitamin supplements. I'm not sure how this applies to vitamin K, but since it's a blood-thinner, I have to try to err on the side of caution.
I'll certainly consider the Thorne product though. Thanks for the suggestion. That will save me from having to track down a safe source.
Tex
I may go the supplement route. I just thought that juice would be better than a pill. Of course making my own would be best, but the choice of fresh veggies on a year-round basis from the stores in the small towns around here would be limited at best. Basically I would be looking at carrots, celery, and tomatoes, most of the time.
And it's usually difficult to overdose on vitamins from food, whereas it can easily happen with certain vitamin supplements. I'm not sure how this applies to vitamin K, but since it's a blood-thinner, I have to try to err on the side of caution.
I'll certainly consider the Thorne product though. Thanks for the suggestion. That will save me from having to track down a safe source.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Ann,
Well, my PTH checked out OK at 17 pg/ml (normal range 12–65 pg/ml), so that's a relief, since if the result were high the remedy would have presumably required surgery.
That's an interesting observation about the clopidogrel. I can find research articles describing interactions between clopidogrel, calcium channel antagonists, and statins, but while I'm taking lisinopril (10 mg — also as part of a stroke-risk control program), those shouldn't apply to me. I wonder though if there might be an undocumented issue with plavix in this situation. Also, considering the minimal lisinopril dosage, my BP is surprisingly low for someone who has atherosclerois (100/57 this morning, for example).
I suppose you're correct that an increased calcium level might indicate a response to an increased need above and beyond available supplies (because an elevated level of the active form of vitamin D is often associated with a deficiency of the inactive form), but I can't figure out why there would be an increased need/demand for calcium. Surely the body didn't do that just so it would have more calcium available to form kidney stones.
Tex
Well, my PTH checked out OK at 17 pg/ml (normal range 12–65 pg/ml), so that's a relief, since if the result were high the remedy would have presumably required surgery.
That's an interesting observation about the clopidogrel. I can find research articles describing interactions between clopidogrel, calcium channel antagonists, and statins, but while I'm taking lisinopril (10 mg — also as part of a stroke-risk control program), those shouldn't apply to me. I wonder though if there might be an undocumented issue with plavix in this situation. Also, considering the minimal lisinopril dosage, my BP is surprisingly low for someone who has atherosclerois (100/57 this morning, for example).
I suppose you're correct that an increased calcium level might indicate a response to an increased need above and beyond available supplies (because an elevated level of the active form of vitamin D is often associated with a deficiency of the inactive form), but I can't figure out why there would be an increased need/demand for calcium. Surely the body didn't do that just so it would have more calcium available to form kidney stones.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Tex,
I guess I'm pretty lucky to live somewhere that has local greens available year round. A few small farms have greenhouses that grow greens in the winter and I can buy them at my food coop, which is really a small grocery store. More expensive in the winter than in other months of the year, but still available. It didn't occur to me that others are not so lucky.
Jean
I guess I'm pretty lucky to live somewhere that has local greens available year round. A few small farms have greenhouses that grow greens in the winter and I can buy them at my food coop, which is really a small grocery store. More expensive in the winter than in other months of the year, but still available. It didn't occur to me that others are not so lucky.
Jean
Jean,
Well of course I could go to a bigger city to do my shopping, or put up a greenhouse and grow my own, but as you are probably aware, similar to the old analogies of the doctor's kids always being the sickest on the block, and the mechanic's car always needing repair, my middle name is lazy when it comes to growing my own food. It certainly wasn't that way half a century ago, but these days, now that it takes thousands of acres of crops to make a decent living, a half-acre garden seems incongruent. 
Tex
Well of course I could go to a bigger city to do my shopping, or put up a greenhouse and grow my own, but as you are probably aware, similar to the old analogies of the doctor's kids always being the sickest on the block, and the mechanic's car always needing repair, my middle name is lazy when it comes to growing my own food.
It certainly wasn't that way half a century ago, but these days, now that it takes thousands of acres of crops to make a decent living, a half-acre garden seems incongruent. Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.