What do you guys think of this?
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Hi Lesley,
It's a cruel hoax, strictly BS, designed to separate uninformed consumers from their money. The body automatically regulates pH, and if you were actually able to change it (long-term), that would probably have very undesirable consequences. The fact of the matter is, as the Quackwatch article at the second link below correctly points out:
Your Urine is Not a Window to Your Body: pH Balancing – A Failed Hypothesis
Or you can read about it on Quackwatch, if you prefer:
Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense
Tex
It's a cruel hoax, strictly BS, designed to separate uninformed consumers from their money. The body automatically regulates pH, and if you were actually able to change it (long-term), that would probably have very undesirable consequences. The fact of the matter is, as the Quackwatch article at the second link below correctly points out:
Here's a good article on the topic:Your stomach is so acidic that no food can change its acidity. Citrus fruits, vinegar, and vitamins such as ascorbic acid or folic acid do not change the acidity of your stomach or your bloodstream. An entire bottle of calcium pills or antacids would not change the acidity of your stomach for more than a few minutes.
All foods that leave your stomach are acidic. Then they enter your intestines where secretions from your pancreas neutralize the stomach acids. So no matter what you eat, the food in stomach is acidic and the food in the intestines is alkaline.
Dietary modification cannot change the acidity of any part of your body except your urine. Your bloodstream and organs control acidity in a very narrow range. Anything that changed acidity in your body would make you very sick and could even kill you. Promoters of these products claim that cancer cells cannot live in an alkaline environment and that is true, but neither can any of the other cells in your body.
Your Urine is Not a Window to Your Body: pH Balancing – A Failed Hypothesis
Or you can read about it on Quackwatch, if you prefer:
Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi
The ph in the gut matters though:
The ph in the small intestine should be slightly alkaline, while the ph in the colon should be slightly acidic.
The 2 most common causes to changes of the ph in the gut is:
Reduced stomach acid that changes the ph in the gut via hormonal feedback systems - and lack of hormonal messages from the stomach, due to lack of acid, disables the liver to secrete bile (bile is alkaline)
Or that the pancreas secretes bicarbonate and enzymes, which make the small intestine too acidic & the colon too alkaline, and thus changes the bacteria/ fungi flora in the gut.
Lilja
PS: I take raw, unrefined and unpasteurized apple cider vinegar before each meal. I can't tell at this point whether it helps since I'm on Entocort for the time being, but I like the warm feeling it gives me
The ph in the gut matters though:
The ph in the small intestine should be slightly alkaline, while the ph in the colon should be slightly acidic.
The 2 most common causes to changes of the ph in the gut is:
Reduced stomach acid that changes the ph in the gut via hormonal feedback systems - and lack of hormonal messages from the stomach, due to lack of acid, disables the liver to secrete bile (bile is alkaline)
Or that the pancreas secretes bicarbonate and enzymes, which make the small intestine too acidic & the colon too alkaline, and thus changes the bacteria/ fungi flora in the gut.
Lilja
PS: I take raw, unrefined and unpasteurized apple cider vinegar before each meal. I can't tell at this point whether it helps since I'm on Entocort for the time being, but I like the warm feeling it gives me
Collagenous Colitis diagnosis in 2010
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
All that is automatically regulated by the enteric nervous system.Lilja wrote:The ph in the small intestine should be slightly alkaline, while the ph in the colon should be slightly acidic.
I have no idea who your source was, but that appears to have been written by someone who doesn't actually understand how the digestive system works, despite what they would like to believe.Lilja wrote:The 2 most common causes to changes of the ph in the gut is:
Reduced stomach acid that changes the ph in the gut via hormonal feedback systems - and lack of hormonal messages from the stomach, due to lack of acid, disables the liver to secrete bile (bile is alkaline)
Or that the pancreas secretes bicarbonate and enzymes, which make the small intestine too acidic & the colon too alkaline, and thus changes the bacteria/ fungi flora in the gut.
Reduced stomach acid in the gut definitely raises the pH in the stomach, but that has virtually no effect on the intestines (because the pH of the intestines is regulated by the pancreas, not by the stomach). And the amount of bile in the gut has little effect on the pH. The pancreas releases lipase also (among other enzymes) so that fat can be digested, even if bile is insufficient.
Bicarbonate from the pancreas does not make the small intestine too acidic. Bicarbonate is alkaline, so it makes the small intestine less acidic. In fact, the pH of the intestine is closely regulated by bicarbonate from the pancreas. Yes, bile is alkaline, but whether or not a little or a lot of bile is released into the small intestine, the pancreas will release the proper amount of bicarbonate to insure that the pH of the gut is correct.
Now if a patient should have severe pancreatitis, then the pancreas may not be able to produce enough bicarbonate and lipase to do the job, but if a patient has severe pancreatitis, then she or he would have much more serious worries than the pH of their gut.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
My source is a well recognized biochemical engineer (within his circles) and a heilpraktiker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilpraktiker with some controversial theories as to health and nutrition, according to traditional medicine approach.
His mantra is that all health issues can be cured by food. Animal food, directly from the animal. Fermented raw milk, intestines as less cooked as possible. Grain is a no no, vegetables and fruits should be fermented. Animal fat is good. He has now dedicated his life to farming, but he does from time to time show up in other peoples’ blogs and gives advices bona fide.
I know a few people with severe diagnoses that he has cured. I am not qualified at all as to question his theories, but I believe that he is on the right track.
Lilja
His mantra is that all health issues can be cured by food. Animal food, directly from the animal. Fermented raw milk, intestines as less cooked as possible. Grain is a no no, vegetables and fruits should be fermented. Animal fat is good. He has now dedicated his life to farming, but he does from time to time show up in other peoples’ blogs and gives advices bona fide.
I know a few people with severe diagnoses that he has cured. I am not qualified at all as to question his theories, but I believe that he is on the right track.
Lilja
Collagenous Colitis diagnosis in 2010
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Lilja,
He definitely has some good principles (that food is our best medicine, animal fat is healthy, and grain is best fed to animals, for example), but ideas such as insisting that vegetables and fruit should be fermented, and his apparent misunderstanding of certain digestive processes, hurts his credibility.
All fermented foods are high in histamine. Eating a steady diet of high-histamine foods can lead to problems for many people. In fact about half of the general population will have an adverse reaction to high-histamine foods. I'm not referring to people who have MC — high-histamine foods can have this effect on approximately half of the total population of this planet. Consider this quote from page 162 my book:
2. Wöhrl, S., Hemmer, W., Focke, M., Rappersberger, K., & Jarisch, R. (2004). Histamine intolerance-like symptoms in healthy volunteers after oral provocation with liquid histamine. Allergy and Asthma Proceedings, 25(5), 305–311. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15603203
That study was done at Floridsdorf Allergy Center (FAZ), in Vienna, Austria. The point is, why would anyone want to ferment their vegetables and fruit (unless they enjoy having diarrhea, gas, headaches, itching, etc.)?
Tex
He definitely has some good principles (that food is our best medicine, animal fat is healthy, and grain is best fed to animals, for example), but ideas such as insisting that vegetables and fruit should be fermented, and his apparent misunderstanding of certain digestive processes, hurts his credibility.
All fermented foods are high in histamine. Eating a steady diet of high-histamine foods can lead to problems for many people. In fact about half of the general population will have an adverse reaction to high-histamine foods. I'm not referring to people who have MC — high-histamine foods can have this effect on approximately half of the total population of this planet. Consider this quote from page 162 my book:
Here is reference 2 from that quote:To demonstrate the potential effects of histamine in food, a double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover study was conducted in 2004, in which healthy subjects with no prior history of food sensitivities ingested either plain peppermint tea or peppermint tea in which the equivalent of 75 mg of histamine had been dissolved.2 None of the subjects reacted to the placebo, but half of them reacted to the histamine challenge. 40 % of them experienced symptoms such as diarrhea, gas, headache, itching, and eye issues after ingesting the tea that contained the histamine. To put this into perspective, some of the foods that have a high histamine content can contain as much as 500 mg of histamine per kg, so an ordinary meal can easily contain a higher dose of histamine than was used in this research study.
2. Wöhrl, S., Hemmer, W., Focke, M., Rappersberger, K., & Jarisch, R. (2004). Histamine intolerance-like symptoms in healthy volunteers after oral provocation with liquid histamine. Allergy and Asthma Proceedings, 25(5), 305–311. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15603203
That study was done at Floridsdorf Allergy Center (FAZ), in Vienna, Austria. The point is, why would anyone want to ferment their vegetables and fruit (unless they enjoy having diarrhea, gas, headaches, itching, etc.)?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Lilja,Lilja wrote:I think you are right, Tex. Stupid of me to just copy something some other person has stated without questioning it.
Lilja
Something I have noticed, in myself and others, is that when someone speaks with authority, people tend to believe them, even when they do not provide proof that what they say is true. I guess that's what's meant by the expression (at least in English)" taken on good authority". We do need to always question how good the authority really is but it seems to be human nature to trust people in authority and even people who just present themselves as authorities, especially if other things they have said ring true to us. In other words it is understandable that you accepted what this person said. He speaks as if he knows what he is talking about and often times he does, just not about fermented fruits and vegetables.
I do eat homemade fermented vegetables (beets and cabbage at the moment), now, after much healing has occurred, but only in small quantities. I can't imagine why I would want to ferment all the vegetables I eat and as Tex explained so well, that strategy would most likely get me into trouble.
Jean