New symptoms out of the blue? MC related
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- Little Blue Penguin
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New symptoms out of the blue? MC related
Hello,
I have only posted a handful of times, and I never seem to have any information to contribute here. So please forgive me that I am back again with more questions. I appreciate the helpful advice I get here.
BG: I was fortunately diagnosed very quickly with MC in May 2013. I had great success with removing gluten from my diet, and one month later I was virtually symptom-free. My last symptom of joint pain was gone in December 2013. Other than a bout of stomach flu (with inflammation pain again), things were going well.
Out of the blue in October of this year, I started waking in the night with severe chest pain. I was checked out by my doc, who determined it was GERD. I have been taking 20mg of Omeprazole each day since then, which has greatly eliminated the pain at night. Other than some odd stomach pains (loud digestive sounds and pain under my ribs), I had been feeling ok, but things just continued to seem "off", aside from the fact that I never had heartburn even when pregnant with my children.
As of last week, I am starting to feel eerily the same as before my MC was diagnosed. Most notably, my appetite is GONE. Fatigue has returned, and I just don't feel well. Some slight nausea, and diarrhea, although not as watery as before.
I am starting to wonder if there is now inflammation in my stomach/upper GU tract, which could be the reason for GERD and ill-feeling stomach? From what I have read here, any part of our digestive system can be affected. My main question is this:
1. After a year and 1/2, could it still be another food sensitivity such as dairy, casein, soy? Or would this have happened fairly soon last year after I was symptom-free (2013)? I am very prepared to use Enterolab if need be.
2. Around the same time my new symptoms appeared (October), I stopped taking my seasonal allergy pill (generic Allegra). Could there be a connection there? I have tried to understand about MAST cells, but honestly, don't quite get it yet
I hope I have provided enough information. Thanks again for any insight anyone may have.
Sara
I have only posted a handful of times, and I never seem to have any information to contribute here. So please forgive me that I am back again with more questions. I appreciate the helpful advice I get here.
BG: I was fortunately diagnosed very quickly with MC in May 2013. I had great success with removing gluten from my diet, and one month later I was virtually symptom-free. My last symptom of joint pain was gone in December 2013. Other than a bout of stomach flu (with inflammation pain again), things were going well.
Out of the blue in October of this year, I started waking in the night with severe chest pain. I was checked out by my doc, who determined it was GERD. I have been taking 20mg of Omeprazole each day since then, which has greatly eliminated the pain at night. Other than some odd stomach pains (loud digestive sounds and pain under my ribs), I had been feeling ok, but things just continued to seem "off", aside from the fact that I never had heartburn even when pregnant with my children.
As of last week, I am starting to feel eerily the same as before my MC was diagnosed. Most notably, my appetite is GONE. Fatigue has returned, and I just don't feel well. Some slight nausea, and diarrhea, although not as watery as before.
I am starting to wonder if there is now inflammation in my stomach/upper GU tract, which could be the reason for GERD and ill-feeling stomach? From what I have read here, any part of our digestive system can be affected. My main question is this:
1. After a year and 1/2, could it still be another food sensitivity such as dairy, casein, soy? Or would this have happened fairly soon last year after I was symptom-free (2013)? I am very prepared to use Enterolab if need be.
2. Around the same time my new symptoms appeared (October), I stopped taking my seasonal allergy pill (generic Allegra). Could there be a connection there? I have tried to understand about MAST cells, but honestly, don't quite get it yet
I hope I have provided enough information. Thanks again for any insight anyone may have.
Sara
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- Little Blue Penguin
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After searching for connection between PPI's and MC, I see that there is a definite connection in that PPI's can cause MC flares! Which would very much explain why I feel the way I do, and my symptoms have gradually gotten worse.
Can I ask yet another question. How do those of you with GERD treat it? Diet I presume? Or is there something safe out there that we can use? I could deal with my pain during the day, but couldn't take it at night laying down, and being up for 2-3 hours every night.
Thanks again,
Sara
Can I ask yet another question. How do those of you with GERD treat it? Diet I presume? Or is there something safe out there that we can use? I could deal with my pain during the day, but couldn't take it at night laying down, and being up for 2-3 hours every night.
Thanks again,
Sara
I feel your pain. I don't have the wisdom that Tex does, so I'll be interested in what he has to say, but if I were in your shoes, I would try going back on the Allegra to see if it helps. I never stop taking my antihistamines :) I don't have GERD, so I'm not going to be much help, but if you can wean of of the PPI, your MC symptoms will probably be better. Enterolab is not a bad idea.
Good luck
Leah
Good luck
Leah
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- Little Blue Penguin
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Thanks Leah. I just have a feeling that this GERD came up out of nowhere, and it is related to inflammation somewhere. My Allegra pill was possibly keeping that inflammation at bay?
I feel so uneducated compared to all of you. The doctor (who was very nice) who prescribed this PPI definitely knew I had MC. But I always get the feeling when MC is brought up that it's "no big deal". Which is fine, until something like this happens, and then suddenly, it's a big deal to ME!
I think it's definitely time for me to order Tex's book
Sara
I feel so uneducated compared to all of you. The doctor (who was very nice) who prescribed this PPI definitely knew I had MC. But I always get the feeling when MC is brought up that it's "no big deal". Which is fine, until something like this happens, and then suddenly, it's a big deal to ME!
I think it's definitely time for me to order Tex's book
Sara
Hi Sara,
I'm sorry to hear that you're back in an MC flare. The odds are very high that you are indeed correct in thinking that the PPI is the cause of the return of your MC symptoms.
As Leah pointed out, an antihistamine can help in some cases, especially if nausea is part of the problem. And Jean is right on target that a low carb diet will help to prevent reflux problems.
Have you checked your vitamin D level lately? Not only GERD, but MC and all other AI issues (yes the evidence suggests that GERD is an AI issue, according to recent medical research) are associated with a vitamin D deficiency. But more than that, research also shows that vitamin D is also very effective at treating GERD and associated reflux problems (even when a vitamin D deficiency is not present). Several members here have found that the treatment does indeed work, and it works very well. Note that this requires a serious amount of vitamin D, not the anemic RDA recommended by "health experts". Most members find that using 8,000–10,000 IU per day for a couple of weeks or so will provide relief much faster than using 5,000 IU or less.
But weaning off a PPI is not easy, because PPIs actually cause the very problem that they are prescribed to prevent. They actually weaken the lower esophageal sphincter (LES), which makes it more likely that acid contents of the stomach will backflow into the esophagus. But the patient doesn't feel any acid burn, because the PPI neutralizes stomach acid by preventing the stomach from producing it. And it takes time for the LES to regain it's strength, after weaning off a PPI, which means that many unfortunate patients find themselves stuck in a vicious cycle, having to use PPIs because they are unable to wean off them without a strong rebound effect that can be worse than the original symptoms.
As we get older, we tend to lose the ability to produce adequate amounts of stomach acid, and this can cause poor digestion, resulting in indigestion, heartburn, nausea, and acid reflux. The reason why it causes acid reflux is because the clenching strength of the LES is determined by the pH of the stomach contents on the back side of the LES. The lower the pH (IOW, the greater the acidity), the tighter the LES clinches. If the acidity is weak, the LES doesn't have much incentive to remain tightly clenched. That's why PPIs weaken the LES, because like any muscle, if we don't use it, it becomes weaker over time.
When a patient complains of reflux or stomach pain, doctors virtually never bother to test stomach acidity — instead they prescribe a PPI or an antacid, which may be just the opposite of what the patient actually needs. The truth is, very, very few patients actually have too much stomach acid, but that doesn't keep doctors from prescribing acid reducers right and left, because drug reps promote PPIs and H2 antihistamines — they never promote stomach acid enhancers (such as Betaine HCL), because they're cheap.
As far as treating/controlling GERD is concerned, that question comes up very often here, and there are many discussions about it in the archives. To save time and effort, I'll just point to another thread that you may find to be helpful, especially my first post on the second page of that thread, where I list ways to prevent GERD. Here's a quote of the part of that post that addresses GERD, but you may find that reading the rest of the thread is also helpful, because as you will see there, vitamin D level is extremely important for preventing/treating GERD, and antihistamines can help.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=621
If you have serious problems trying to wean off the PPI, you should be able to bridge the gap by using an H2 blocker for a while, but please be aware that it takes months to overcome the damage caused by PPIs. IMO, PPIs should be illegal, except in very exceptional situations.
And yes, if you are only avoiding gluten in your diet, it is very possible that you may have other food sensitivities that have developed over the past year. You may have been sensitive to other foods initially, but your immune system wasn't producing enough antibodies to them to cause any problems. Over time, antibody levels are cumulative, and so they can eventually reach a point at which they surpass the threshold at which a reaction is triggered.
I hope that this is helpful.
Tex
I'm sorry to hear that you're back in an MC flare. The odds are very high that you are indeed correct in thinking that the PPI is the cause of the return of your MC symptoms.
As Leah pointed out, an antihistamine can help in some cases, especially if nausea is part of the problem. And Jean is right on target that a low carb diet will help to prevent reflux problems.
Have you checked your vitamin D level lately? Not only GERD, but MC and all other AI issues (yes the evidence suggests that GERD is an AI issue, according to recent medical research) are associated with a vitamin D deficiency. But more than that, research also shows that vitamin D is also very effective at treating GERD and associated reflux problems (even when a vitamin D deficiency is not present). Several members here have found that the treatment does indeed work, and it works very well. Note that this requires a serious amount of vitamin D, not the anemic RDA recommended by "health experts". Most members find that using 8,000–10,000 IU per day for a couple of weeks or so will provide relief much faster than using 5,000 IU or less.
But weaning off a PPI is not easy, because PPIs actually cause the very problem that they are prescribed to prevent. They actually weaken the lower esophageal sphincter (LES), which makes it more likely that acid contents of the stomach will backflow into the esophagus. But the patient doesn't feel any acid burn, because the PPI neutralizes stomach acid by preventing the stomach from producing it. And it takes time for the LES to regain it's strength, after weaning off a PPI, which means that many unfortunate patients find themselves stuck in a vicious cycle, having to use PPIs because they are unable to wean off them without a strong rebound effect that can be worse than the original symptoms.
As we get older, we tend to lose the ability to produce adequate amounts of stomach acid, and this can cause poor digestion, resulting in indigestion, heartburn, nausea, and acid reflux. The reason why it causes acid reflux is because the clenching strength of the LES is determined by the pH of the stomach contents on the back side of the LES. The lower the pH (IOW, the greater the acidity), the tighter the LES clinches. If the acidity is weak, the LES doesn't have much incentive to remain tightly clenched. That's why PPIs weaken the LES, because like any muscle, if we don't use it, it becomes weaker over time.
When a patient complains of reflux or stomach pain, doctors virtually never bother to test stomach acidity — instead they prescribe a PPI or an antacid, which may be just the opposite of what the patient actually needs. The truth is, very, very few patients actually have too much stomach acid, but that doesn't keep doctors from prescribing acid reducers right and left, because drug reps promote PPIs and H2 antihistamines — they never promote stomach acid enhancers (such as Betaine HCL), because they're cheap.
As far as treating/controlling GERD is concerned, that question comes up very often here, and there are many discussions about it in the archives. To save time and effort, I'll just point to another thread that you may find to be helpful, especially my first post on the second page of that thread, where I list ways to prevent GERD. Here's a quote of the part of that post that addresses GERD, but you may find that reading the rest of the thread is also helpful, because as you will see there, vitamin D level is extremely important for preventing/treating GERD, and antihistamines can help.
Tex wrote:You're probably aware that avoiding eating for several hours before bedtime is very helpful, especially for retraining our lower esophageal sphinctor. And avoiding foods known to cause reflux problems at all times is usually necessary for treating a GERD problem. Examples of such foods include chocolate, alcohol, coffee, tomatoes, peppermint, etc. Definitely avoid them for several hours before bedtime, because they can almost guarantee reflux problems.
One very important trick to help prevent GERD/reflux issues is to never lie on your right side, because that position places much of the stomach higher than the lower esophageal sphinctor (LES), which will allow acidic stomach contents to backflow into the esophagus if the LES fails to clench tightly enough at all times. This is very important, because taking any antacid or H2 blocker (or PPI) will lower your stomach acidity, and research shows that the weaker the stomach acidity on the backside of the LES, the less tightly it will clench. IOW, the stronger the stomach acid, the more tightly the LES will clench to hold back the acid. The reason why I advise against PPIs, is because they are known to weaken the clenching strength of the LES, and it can take months to rebuild the strength of the LES after a PPI is discontinued. That makes it very difficult to wean off a PPI, because weaning off them will actually cause the very problem that they are prescribed to treat.
The only time that I ever had a serious reflux problem in my life is when I was recovering from surgery, and the doctor in charge insisted that I take a PPI each day, while in the hospital. As best I can recall, I only took a PPI for 3 days, but it took me many months to get rid of the reflux problem after that. That's when I learned to never sleep on my right side.
Some people find that elevating the head of their bed a few inches by placing those legs on blocks, can help to prevent GERD/reflux problems, also.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=621
If you have serious problems trying to wean off the PPI, you should be able to bridge the gap by using an H2 blocker for a while, but please be aware that it takes months to overcome the damage caused by PPIs. IMO, PPIs should be illegal, except in very exceptional situations.
And yes, if you are only avoiding gluten in your diet, it is very possible that you may have other food sensitivities that have developed over the past year. You may have been sensitive to other foods initially, but your immune system wasn't producing enough antibodies to them to cause any problems. Over time, antibody levels are cumulative, and so they can eventually reach a point at which they surpass the threshold at which a reaction is triggered.
I hope that this is helpful.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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- Little Blue Penguin
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Thank you so much Jean and Tex. You really don't know how much I appreciate the information. I am vowing today to start to learn more about this MC, as I was too naive to believe that I could avoid gluten and be problem free. But to know that I can resort to vitamin d, or low card diet is so encouraging. My doctor originally wanted to put me on Entocort, but I much rather wanted to treat it by diet and had such success.
I am ordering your book this afternoon. So now I may be able to join in on topics. Thanks for the link to the GERD thread. I had searched prior to today, but more for connection of MC & GERD.
Best wishes everyone for a Happy Thanksgiving.
Sara
I am ordering your book this afternoon. So now I may be able to join in on topics. Thanks for the link to the GERD thread. I had searched prior to today, but more for connection of MC & GERD.
Best wishes everyone for a Happy Thanksgiving.
Sara
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I was like Jean, had terrible GERD for years before MC and my new diet. It's totally gone now. I was on lots of PPIs and Zantac daily for a decade. It's completely gone. This was an unexpected benefit for me from getting MC. A true silver lining. I was miserable for years.
I would cut dairy and soy and see if it helps. I also can't eat oats/rice so I think for me eliminating grains in general helps me. So maybe low carb? I eat a lot of fruit, squash and still eat corn in moderation, so I'm not low carb. I think grains aggravate it.
Best wishes.
I would cut dairy and soy and see if it helps. I also can't eat oats/rice so I think for me eliminating grains in general helps me. So maybe low carb? I eat a lot of fruit, squash and still eat corn in moderation, so I'm not low carb. I think grains aggravate it.
Best wishes.
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion. ~The Dalai Lama
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Thanks for your input UkeleleLady.
As of this morning I have stopped the Omeprazole, so I will keep my food journal near. I also started my Allegra pill back up and purchased a small bottle of the 10,000 IUI vitamin D.
Before I went on the PPI, the nights I was having extreme pain I had a glass of wine (!) and I was eating a lot of tomatoes. There were a few nights that I didn't suffer or wake up, but I remember I was purposely watching what I ate, as I wondered if it was my gallbladder. So my hope is for now, to cut down on the acidic foods that are a problem with GERD and see where that gets me. With my careful journaling I hope to see some patterns.
Sara
As of this morning I have stopped the Omeprazole, so I will keep my food journal near. I also started my Allegra pill back up and purchased a small bottle of the 10,000 IUI vitamin D.
Before I went on the PPI, the nights I was having extreme pain I had a glass of wine (!) and I was eating a lot of tomatoes. There were a few nights that I didn't suffer or wake up, but I remember I was purposely watching what I ate, as I wondered if it was my gallbladder. So my hope is for now, to cut down on the acidic foods that are a problem with GERD and see where that gets me. With my careful journaling I hope to see some patterns.
Sara
It can be tough to get away from PPIs, because of the rebound effect that they cause, but you are definitely on the right track. Avoiding those foods that are known to promote reflux, not eating within several hours of bedtime, and never lying on your right side, should work together to dramatically suppress any opportunity for GERD to occur.
Good luck with this, and please keep us posted.
Tex
Good luck with this, and please keep us posted.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
- UkuleleLady
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if you have nighttime reflux, the wedge pillow can help a little with that.. maybe worth a try.
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/p ... 1010060850
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/p ... 1010060850
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion. ~The Dalai Lama