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Thought I would post a note about my 23andme DNA results and the reports i have thus far...

with courier costs from Aus - the 23andme testing cost me $180 (i think it is about $120-130 from within the USA) the data from 23andme came through 2 weeks after they receipted my sample.

If you were to print the data that you receive from 23andme it would be over 2200 pages of data!!
Hence you need to use the reporting tools available on the net to turn this data into usable information regarding your health and wellness.

The methylation report from Genetic Genie (free) was very interesting - explained why I have always had adrenal fatigue, and issues clearing heavy metals. This information in consultation with my nutritionist/naturopath will help to know which supplements will overcome the issues.

the report from Promethease is very interesting - it is over 200 pages!!! 18537 genotypes annotated.
At first some of the information seems contradictory. It takes a bit of time to read through and translate the info in the report to viable information. There is no 'quick easy summary' persay that will give you the shortcut to fixing your health...
Keep in mind that the reports come with disclaimer that they are info only and not formal medical opinion /diagnosis type thing.... and they wont answer everything...

it has some good interesting basics, about your metabolism, (i metabolise coffee fast), whether you would lose weight with low fat diet, mine had that I have a low Vit B6 blood concentration, and that I have the gene alleles to be an early riser!

the report links gene +variation, your allele result to the outcomes of various medical studies.
ie sample of how things are linked to your results
2.1x increased risk of Crohn's disease
rs1050152(T;T)Magnitude: 2.1
Frequency: 11.5%
Repute:Bad
References:24

rs1050152, a SNP in the SLC22A4 gene known as L503F, has been associated with an autoimmune disease, in this case, Crohn's disease, odds ratio = 2.1 (CI = 1.31–3.39, p = 0.002), based on a study of 203 cases and 200 controls. The risk allele is rs1050152(T). A nearby SNP (rs2631367) in the promoter region of the SLC22A5 gene defines a haplotype along with rs3792876, with odds ratio reported as similar for either SNP or the haplotype. Referring to the TC risk haplotype, the population risk attributable to heterozygotes was 19%, and for homozygous haplotype carriers, 27%. [PharmGKB:Non-Curated Higher gabapentin exposure and lower renal clearance/tubular secretion in individuals carrying this variant] [OMIM:?]
5.2x risk of rheumatoid arthritis
rs6457617(T;T)Magnitude: 2.1
Frequency: 26.5%
Repute:Bad
References:20
rs6457617 has been reported in a large study to be associated with rheumatoid arthritis. This SNP is reported to be the most statistically significant of many SNPs similarly located in the MHC region. The risk allele (oriented to the dbSNP entry) is (T); the odds ratio associated with heterozygotes is 2.36 (CI 1.97-2.84), and for homozygotes, 5.21 (CI 4.31-6.30). [GWAS:Rheumatoid arthritis]
As we know, not all studies are reliable, so all the interpretations in the Promethease report may not be fully reliable. It will take a fair bit of discernment to know if the basis of the heightened risk is a concern for each individual item. Some of the risk factors are based on the collective data of 23andme....

It has a section on Medications - and summary of medical conditions (which is a kinda sorta summary of the report)

My interpretation of things thus far, is that genetics is not fate. This data, these reports are giving us the strong hint as to the root cause of an issue, why our cells went dodgy.... with the right approach (diet, supplements, lifestyle, environment etc) we can fix some of the issues.
I think this information goes towards explaining why some people respond well to one medication, when for another it can cause chaos.
Why some people benefit from a vaccine, why some people have issues and are not protected by the vaccine.
And why when some people take the medication that is supposed to help, other issues occur, as the complexity of our systems, our cells, our deficiencies, the wrong thing at the wrong time causes chaos.

Would I recommend it??
I am very happy with information thus far. It feels like I am only into the first chapter of the first book of a 5 book trilogy! to do this type of genetic testing in Aus ordered by my Doctor would have cost $2000. Bloody good value and it has explained some second layer methylation issues.. (linked to mast cell issues) which is fixable by taking the right amount of the right supplement.

For anyone with multiple issues, that mainstream testing is not finding the reasons, this process could very well provide some of the answers of the root causes.... keep in mind - it does not provide a quick direct solution...
if you are not savy with research about chemical processes in our bodies etc, you may need a nutritionist/wholistic practitioner to help translate what you should do.
For anyone that has more hassles with medications than benefits, this too could provide the reasons why. Again, it wont give direct solutions.. but it can aid with making better informed decisions.

It hasnt answered ALL my health issues thus far...

regardless, the solutions for issues highlighted are linked to strict diet, supplement protocol, environmental influences, lifestyle changes. (if only I had this info 15-20 years or more ago! )

For anyone that is concerned their children are already having wellness - AI type issues, then I would recommend the tests, making required changes early could save them from issues even starting!!
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went to the site thinking I would get mine done and:
23andMe provides ancestry-related genetic reports and uninterpreted raw genetic data. We no longer offer our health-related genetic reports. If you are a current customer please go to the health page for more information.
The FDA is the problem
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne ... 2D11650789
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Theresa, you will still get the raw data. 23andMe has been banned from interpreting it. There are other sources that will interpret it for free or a minimal fee.
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Thanks Deb, they are waiting for FDA approval, think I will wait a while and see how that goes.
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Theresa,
Even without the FDA approved report, the testing data, and subsequent reports from other sites provide some good info on root cause for issues, especially for those with multiple issues / or those that are having a hard time attaining wellness.

It would have been good to see what the 23andme health report looked like...
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Thank you so much for your post, Gabes. This is fascinating!!

Good luck with the trilogy...I still feel like I am on the first chapter regarding microscopic colitis in general ':lol:'
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Incidentally, it's possible to run the Promethease program on your own computer (free of charge, if you don't mind waiting for it to run a while — it takes roughly 16 hours to analyze all the data and generate a report). Or you can pay 2 bucks to speed it up. This version is said to contain additional information that is not in the online version (if you're interested in ancestry). Here's a link where you can download the Windows version of the program:

http://files.snpedia.com/releases/0.1.1 ... thease.exe

And here's a link where you can download the MAC verson:

http://files.snpedia.com/releases/0.1.1 ... thease.dmg

Of course you will need to download your raw data file from 23andme first, so that you can load it into the promeathease program when you run it. Here's the link where you can download your raw data:

https://www.23andme.com/you/download/

Mine is running right now, and hopefully I'll have some results by noon tomorrow, if it doesn't swarm on me. :lol:

From the Genetic Genie methylation analysis, it appears that I have a couple of COMT (catechol-O-methyltransferase) mutations, a MAO-A (Monoamine oxidase A) mutation, a MTHFR C677T mutation, a MTHFR A1298C mutation, and a vitamin D receptor mutation. :shock:

So I reckon these methylation issues are the reason why I seem to be dependent on the Metanx, to keep the neurological issues at bay. When I dropped to 1 capsule every other day for almost a year, my symptoms became noticeably worse. Now that I'm taking a capsule every day again, I'm dong OK.

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It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Tex I have comt and Mao, research thus far is that the methyl doners pathway affected by this is linked to mast cells....

The MTHFR test (which only did c677 and a1298) cost me $65.
Had I known at the time that this testing was available I would have done this first up.

I was a +/- for both the VDR's. It is one of the many things on my list to research further... Given our previous discussions about VDR and mast cells etc.
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tex,
Feel free to add, or delete or edit the content of my post explaining what the testing is about if you think it will help others.
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Gabes wrote:I was a +/- for both the VDR's
Hmmm. One of mine was +/+ and the other -/-.
Gabes wrote:Feel free to add, or delete or edit the content of my post explaining what the testing is about if you think it will help others.
:shrug: I don't know enough about it to be messin' with your post. :lol:

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Ordered my kit and bookmarked this page for the links. Thanks!
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Re: 23andme DNA results and other reports

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Gabes-Apg wrote:Thought I would post a note about my 23andme DNA results and the reports i have thus far...

with courier costs from Aus - the 23andme testing cost me $180 (i think it is about $120-130 from within the USA) the data from 23andme came through 2 weeks after they receipted my sample.

If you were to print the data that you receive from 23andme it would be over 2200 pages of data!!
Hence you need to use the reporting tools available on the net to turn this data into usable information regarding your health and wellness.

The methylation report from Genetic Genie (free) was very interesting - explained why I have always had adrenal fatigue, and issues clearing heavy metals. This information in consultation with my nutritionist/naturopath will help to know which supplements will overcome the issues.

the report from Promethease is very interesting - it is over 200 pages!!! 18537 genotypes annotated.
At first some of the information seems contradictory. It takes a bit of time to read through and translate the info in the report to viable information. There is no 'quick easy summary' persay that will give you the shortcut to fixing your health...
Keep in mind that the reports come with disclaimer that they are info only and not formal medical opinion /diagnosis type thing.... and they wont answer everything...

it has some good interesting basics, about your metabolism, (i metabolise coffee fast), whether you would lose weight with low fat diet, mine had that I have a low Vit B6 blood concentration, and that I have the gene alleles to be an early riser!

the report links gene +variation, your allele result to the outcomes of various medical studies.
ie sample of how things are linked to your results
2.1x increased risk of Crohn's disease
rs1050152(T;T)Magnitude: 2.1
Frequency: 11.5%
Repute:Bad
References:24

rs1050152, a SNP in the SLC22A4 gene known as L503F, has been associated with an autoimmune disease, in this case, Crohn's disease, odds ratio = 2.1 (CI = 1.31–3.39, p = 0.002), based on a study of 203 cases and 200 controls. The risk allele is rs1050152(T). A nearby SNP (rs2631367) in the promoter region of the SLC22A5 gene defines a haplotype along with rs3792876, with odds ratio reported as similar for either SNP or the haplotype. Referring to the TC risk haplotype, the population risk attributable to heterozygotes was 19%, and for homozygous haplotype carriers, 27%. [PharmGKB:Non-Curated Higher gabapentin exposure and lower renal clearance/tubular secretion in individuals carrying this variant] [OMIM:?]
5.2x risk of rheumatoid arthritis
rs6457617(T;T)Magnitude: 2.1
Frequency: 26.5%
Repute:Bad
References:20
rs6457617 has been reported in a large study to be associated with rheumatoid arthritis. This SNP is reported to be the most statistically significant of many SNPs similarly located in the MHC region. The risk allele (oriented to the dbSNP entry) is (T); the odds ratio associated with heterozygotes is 2.36 (CI 1.97-2.84), and for homozygotes, 5.21 (CI 4.31-6.30). [GWAS:Rheumatoid arthritis]
As we know, not all studies are reliable, so all the interpretations in the Promethease report may not be fully reliable. It will take a fair bit of discernment to know if the basis of the heightened risk is a concern for each individual item. Some of the risk factors are based on the collective data of 23andme....

It has a section on Medications - and summary of medical conditions (which is a kinda sorta summary of the report)

My interpretation of things thus far, is that genetics is not fate. This data, these reports are giving us the strong hint as to the root cause of an issue, why our cells went dodgy.... with the right approach (diet, supplements, lifestyle, environment etc) we can fix some of the issues.
I think this information goes towards explaining why some people respond well to one medication, when for another it can cause chaos.
Why some people benefit from a vaccine, why some people have issues and are not protected by the vaccine.
And why when some people take the medication that is supposed to help, other issues occur, as the complexity of our systems, our cells, our deficiencies, the wrong thing at the wrong time causes chaos.

Would I recommend it??
I am very happy with information thus far. It feels like I am only into the first chapter of the first book of a 5 book trilogy! to do this type of genetic testing in Aus ordered by my Doctor would have cost $2000. Bloody good value and it has explained some second layer methylation issues.. (linked to mast cell issues) which is fixable by taking the right amount of the right supplement.

For anyone with multiple issues, that mainstream testing is not finding the reasons, this process could very well provide some of the answers of the root causes.... keep in mind - it does not provide a quick direct solution...
if you are not savy with research about chemical processes in our bodies etc, you may need a nutritionist/wholistic practitioner to help translate what you should do.
For anyone that has more hassles with medications than benefits, this too could provide the reasons why. Again, it wont give direct solutions.. but it can aid with making better informed decisions.

It hasnt answered ALL my health issues thus far...

regardless, the solutions for issues highlighted are linked to strict diet, supplement protocol, environmental influences, lifestyle changes. (if only I had this info 15-20 years or more ago! )

For anyone that is concerned their children are already having wellness - AI type issues, then I would recommend the tests, making required changes early could save them from issues even starting!!
Gabes,
May I ask you, what kind of sample did you send them? Blood, spit or feces?

This seems so interesting, but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to interpret the results, and my doctor would certainly not help me, since it wasn't him that ordered the test.

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Lilja,

I ordered the test from 23andme, and sent them a saliva sample. Gabes apparently used another testing system. There are plenty of online sources that can help you to analyze your data from 23andme. Some of them are listed at this link:

http://www.23andyou.com/3rdparty

Notice that under "Special Interest Tools" they have a link listed that's called

Fennoscandia biographic project (All grandparents must be born in Norway, Sweden or Finland)

You might be especially interested in that one.

This one is probably the best for analyzing MTHFR gene mutations:

http://geneticgenie.org/

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Lilja,
I did the 23andme saliva test.

I am guessing international courier costs would be similar for you, so it would cost about $180 Usd.

That cost includes prepaid return courier costs, satchel and all the paperwork to send it back, they use DHL.
Also includes Pick up from your door, just ring DHL and book the pick up.

It took me about 5 mins to do the spit collection.

As tex mentions, the genetic genie report about methylation etc is very useful. IN my opinion, This report alone is worth the outlay of the test.

The other reports via Prometheus are a bit more complex, but still useful. How deep into the data you want to go is your choice, there are multiple layers in the reports.
The Prometheus medical condition report gives a very good indicator of health issues that you are a risk for, in my case, keeping inflammation managed and taking the right supps, I can protect myself from most of these issues. You don't need a degree to interpret and benefit from this info. You don't need a doctor.
It is important not to get freaked out or stressed by the report... Use discernment, your mc journey has brought you to a place of minimising inflammation, stress management, and taking the right supps, being pro-active about your health so you are already on a good path of protecting yourself from future issues.

If you want to delve into the deeper layers, the data is there. But can be hidden if you want to keep things simple.

When results are ready, you get a zip file with all the results. As more companies set up reporting in the future you will be able to use the data again and again. Another reason why I see this as a viable outlay and not a waste of money.

Hope this helps
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Gabes and Lilja,

In the U. S. the test costs 99 USD. That includes free return postage. IOW, we just have to drop it in a mailbox.

I can see why the FDA and most doctors don't want us to have access to this information. It's extremely enlightening. I've been going through the Promethease report that my computer generated overnight, and as Gabes points out, there's an incredible amount of information and insight available in it. I still have a long, long way to go, but so far I've seen a lot of good news in my genetic information. I'm sure that there will be plenty of bad news as I get further into the report, but I wish this information had been available 30 or 40 years ago — I would have taken a lot better care of my body so that I could have made the most of my longevity genes, rather than trying to wear my body out prematurely. :lol:

One very interesting example from the trivia angle — I have a gene mutation that makes me resistant/immune to prion disease, which means that I can eat brains or whatever, without fear of developing Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, mad cow disease, etc. I would have never learned that from my doctor, that's for sure.

I always wondered how I could eat so much sugar for so many decades, and not develop diabetes. It turns out that my genes are protective of both types of diabetes. So that answers that question. I'm sure that I could probably develop diabetes if I tried hard enough, but I certainly don't plan to do that.

This test might be a Christmas gift extraordinaire, for the right kind of recipient.

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