Xmas travel and possible UTI

Greengoddess · Post by **Greengoddess** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:01 pm

Following a slight flare, my bladder sensitivity has increased to a serious degree. The doc gave me amoxillin but I sense this isn't a bacterial infection. But what could it be? Mostly frequency and some pelvic pain but none of the other signs. Once more in a sea of ignorance! I had some luck with meberverine which is an anti spasmodic.

lisaw · Post by **lisaw** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:48 pm

A few months ago in the midst of addressing a flare, I had bladder/UTI symptoms for about 10 days, but tested negative. Not really pain, but constant urgency and an odd feeling of pressure. I don't know what it was, but it thankfully went away. I had thought it might be mast cell/histamine related. If not bacterial, you can try D-Mannose. I took large doses of it while I had this, and it helped symptoms temporarily, then they would come back. It is a powder, that you can mix with water multiple times a day.

Lisa

Post by **tex** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:38 pm

Greengoddess,

That is an unlisted side effect of microscopic colitis. Not everyone has it as part of their MC symptoms, but many of us do when our MC is active. Bladder issues were a very frequent problem for me back when I was recovering.

I've been in remission for 10 years now, but about a month ago I had a short MC flare as a result of the inflammation caused by a couple of kidney stones. Sure enough, after my MC symptoms began, the bladder problems showed up again.

The symptoms are very similar to interstitial cystitis, because they are caused by the same type of lymphocytic infiltration that causes the inflammation in our intestines, that causes MC. When we get our MC symptoms under control, the bladder symptoms disappear.

Tex

lisaw · Post by **lisaw** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:46 pm

Wow, never heard anyone talk about that before. Many UTI sufferers here, but have not heard people talk about other bladder issues, so good to know. I was convinced I was getting Interstitial Cystitis, during this episode.

Lisa

Hopeful · Post by **Hopeful** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:51 pm

I had a lot of these symptoms this year, as well. Took cranberry capsules and even had the doc test a urine sample -negative.

I have been on the diet 3 months and didn't even notice that the bladder symptoms have completely disappeared. Interesting and a relief!

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:53 pm

For a long time I thought I had interstitial cystitis but that problem has resolved along with my MC problems. Diet really is the key for me. When diseases are labeled by organ systems effected rather than through an understanding of primary causes then different names are given to sets of symptoms which may very well be different manifestations of the same underlying cause, like mc and interstitial cystitis.

Jean

UkuleleLady · Post by **UkuleleLady** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:23 pm

I was diagnosed with interstitial cystitis years ago..it used to be pretty bad and I thought it was a series of recurring UTIs, but after some tests they diagnosed me with IC. My sister has it too.

It was periodic, however, since my MC diagnosis and my subsequent new diet I haven't had issues. I agree, it's the same as with MC, an inflammatory condition caused by the same food (drink?) sensitivities.

Greengoddess · Post by **Greengoddess** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:27 pm

Thank you, all. This is a miserable condition at this time of year. I have now cut gluten and dairy out of my diet. Also b vits on top of krill oil and vit d. I'll probably make mistakes due to being in someone else's house! There are now food labelling regulations here that make it mandatory to have seven allergens on all foods and also in restaurant. That may make it easier. Needless to say not all the food industry were pleased, ditto the "hospitality "sector. Probably it will take quite some time to see any results.

Greengoddess · Post by **Greengoddess** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:36 pm

For anyone travelling or living in Europe the best article on new food labelling

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-styl ... -1.2013373

brandy · Post by **brandy** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:46 pm

D manoose REALLY WORKS! (for UTI)

brandy

Post by **tex** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:05 pm

Lisa wrote:Wow, never heard anyone talk about that before. Many UTI sufferers here, but have not heard people talk about other bladder issues, so good to know. I was convinced I was getting Interstitial Cystitis, during this episode.

Lisa,

Here are a few links to some of the previous discussions about this problem. The first one is about 3 years old (when we first began to suspect that there might be a connection), and the other 2 threads are more recent.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13987

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... l+cystitis

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... l+cystitis

Tex

lisaw · Post by **lisaw** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:04 pm

Thanks, Tex.

Lisa

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:56 am

Hopeful wrote:I had a lot of these symptoms this year, as well. Took cranberry capsules and even had the doc test a urine sample -negative.

I have been on the diet 3 months and didn't even notice that the bladder symptoms have completely disappeared. Interesting and a relief!

Yes Hopeful, vitamin C in large dozes usually help me when I notice that something is going on (2 grams).

Lilja

UkuleleLady · Post by **UkuleleLady** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:00 am

If you suspect it is IC not a UTI, large doses of Vitamin C and cranberry can actually be more irritating to the bladder lining. Acidic foods, coffee, caffeine and tea (I know I'm being redundant) are all irritating to IC. I had to cut those out when I had flares (this was long before MC which I suspect was the true root of the problem.

I used to take Uristat or similar pill with good result in helping the pain (not sure if this is contraindicated for MC)

If it is indeed a UTI however, the Vit C and cranberry may help.

I have no idea if there is a negative effect of D-Mannose on IC flares.

Marcia K · Post by **Marcia K** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:58 pm

Before my LC symptoms started I thought I had a UTI but tested negative. A month later the LC began. When I eat gluten free processed food I will usually notice pressure on my bladder.

Marcia