Hi and Merry Christmas,
I have some questions on the results of the EnteroLab testing (below) and hope Tex or others can help me with them.
There was "significant and/or the most immunological reactivity" with Beef and Chicken. For the last three--four months, I have eaten Trader Joe's chicken tenders daily (sometimes twice a day) with NO reaction at all. Why would chicken show significant reactivity? Beef? I have had maybe two servings of beef in the last 12 months. Tuna? I haven't eaten tuna for years and the same for pork and cashews. How could there be any trace of beef, tuna, pork and cashews?
Any help on those questions would be much appreciated and thanks again for all I have learned from this group.
Sharon
Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 22 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 13 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 13 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 19 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 21 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity: None Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+): Rice, Oat, Pork, Almond, Cashew, Walnut, White potato Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): Corn, Tuna Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+): Beef, Chicken
Within each class of foods to which you displayed multiple reactions, the hierarchy of those reactions detected were as follows:
Grains:
Grain toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Corn
Grain toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Rice
Grain toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Oat
Meats:
Meat toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Beef
Meat toward which you were next most immunologically reactive: Chicken
Meat toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Tuna
Meat toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Pork
Nuts:
Nut toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Almond
Nut toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Cashew
Nut toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Walnut
Nightshades:
You displayed immunologic reactivity to white potato, the member of the nightshade family usually consumed most often and in greatest quantities. While this does not necessarily mean you would react to all other nightshade foods (tomatoes, peppers, eggplant), it is possible. In the realm of elimination diets for immunologic disorders, nightshades are usually eliminated as the entire food class (i.e., all four previously mentioned foods in this class). This is especially important to the clinical setting of arthritis.
EnteroLab results and questions
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Hi Sharon,
I'm not sure exactly how they work, but unlike the tests for gluten, casein, egg, and soy (which are ELISA tests), the tests for the 11 antigenic foods are not individual tests. They are said to be based on IgA antibodies, but instead of being individual tests, they are apparently relative tests, thus the reason for the relative rankings.
It's possible (and not uncommon) for some people to produce antibodies to a food, without displaying clinical symptoms. There are many celiacs who do not respond to gluten with clinical symptoms, for example. They are asymptomatic because for some reason or other, their body tolerates gluten, so no reaction is triggered. I have a tolerance for casein. Even though I produce antibodies to casein, it causes no GI symptoms for me. I totally avoid casein anyway, though, because antibodies tend to promote inflammation, even if they don't trigger clinical symptoms, and I suspect that casein may cause osteoporosis in the long term. IOW, the antibodies surely mean that something is amiss, because the immune system does not produce antibodies without a reason.
As to how you could show results that indicate sensitivity to foods that you seldom or rarely eat.
That may be related to the nature of the test itself. Perhaps it is based on more than just markers generated by the adaptive immune system.
Tex
I'm not sure exactly how they work, but unlike the tests for gluten, casein, egg, and soy (which are ELISA tests), the tests for the 11 antigenic foods are not individual tests. They are said to be based on IgA antibodies, but instead of being individual tests, they are apparently relative tests, thus the reason for the relative rankings.
It's possible (and not uncommon) for some people to produce antibodies to a food, without displaying clinical symptoms. There are many celiacs who do not respond to gluten with clinical symptoms, for example. They are asymptomatic because for some reason or other, their body tolerates gluten, so no reaction is triggered. I have a tolerance for casein. Even though I produce antibodies to casein, it causes no GI symptoms for me. I totally avoid casein anyway, though, because antibodies tend to promote inflammation, even if they don't trigger clinical symptoms, and I suspect that casein may cause osteoporosis in the long term. IOW, the antibodies surely mean that something is amiss, because the immune system does not produce antibodies without a reason.
As to how you could show results that indicate sensitivity to foods that you seldom or rarely eat.
That may be related to the nature of the test itself. Perhaps it is based on more than just markers generated by the adaptive immune system.Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Tough bunch of results, you are reacting to the big 4, gluten, dairy, soy and eggs.
Having this info, will allow you to come up with your safe eating plan... Heal and be well.
If you want any help with locating and removing soy, let me know.
I react worse to soy than gluten, so am slightly OCD about it, and know all the places it hides...
Here's to a happy and health 2015
Having this info, will allow you to come up with your safe eating plan... Heal and be well.
If you want any help with locating and removing soy, let me know.
I react worse to soy than gluten, so am slightly OCD about it, and know all the places it hides...
Here's to a happy and health 2015
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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The soy hunt!!
Soy is cheap, and used as 'filler' and 'texture' for a multitude of products.
Foods,
-soy is used a lot in gf products, flour, breads, cakes etc.
-gelato/sorbet, dairy free ice cream etc some juices etc
-Tinned products
-Guar gums etc, check milk alternatives like coconut milk, almond milk etc. 50% of these products have soy.
-Sprayed on egg shells (do not have boiled eggs)
-Sprayed on vegetable and fruit to make them last longer on shelf. Peel all items and throw away (or compost ) all peelings. Do not use them for bone broth/stock.
-Majority of off shelf snack foods (even gf ones) and takeaway items are cooked in soy oils.
- vitamins and supplements, especially those in oil type base, Vit D3, CoQ10, multi's with Vit E
- quite a few medications that are gf, have soy. This is more common in generic medicines.
Non foods
Majority of make up products have soy, including mineral powder make ups etc.
all the creams, cleansers rich in Vit E, have soy.
I use coconut oil, rose hip oil, pure lanonlin as moisterisers.
iHerb and quite a few other websites have soy free make up.
If you do a search of the archives, there have been quite a few discussions about gluten and soy free make up products and where to buy them.
I have the list of names that soy has, there are 30 or so of them... Printed in my wallet.
It can be a bit full on at first!! Take it a day at a time, slowly convert your meals one meal at a time, and each week or so change a product in your bathroom, make up etc... Don't feel you have to get everything changed over and perfect all at once.
Hope this helps...
Soy is cheap, and used as 'filler' and 'texture' for a multitude of products.
Foods,
-soy is used a lot in gf products, flour, breads, cakes etc.
-gelato/sorbet, dairy free ice cream etc some juices etc
-Tinned products
-Guar gums etc, check milk alternatives like coconut milk, almond milk etc. 50% of these products have soy.
-Sprayed on egg shells (do not have boiled eggs)
-Sprayed on vegetable and fruit to make them last longer on shelf. Peel all items and throw away (or compost ) all peelings. Do not use them for bone broth/stock.
-Majority of off shelf snack foods (even gf ones) and takeaway items are cooked in soy oils.
- vitamins and supplements, especially those in oil type base, Vit D3, CoQ10, multi's with Vit E
- quite a few medications that are gf, have soy. This is more common in generic medicines.
Non foods
Majority of make up products have soy, including mineral powder make ups etc.
all the creams, cleansers rich in Vit E, have soy.
I use coconut oil, rose hip oil, pure lanonlin as moisterisers.
iHerb and quite a few other websites have soy free make up.
If you do a search of the archives, there have been quite a few discussions about gluten and soy free make up products and where to buy them.
I have the list of names that soy has, there are 30 or so of them... Printed in my wallet.
It can be a bit full on at first!! Take it a day at a time, slowly convert your meals one meal at a time, and each week or so change a product in your bathroom, make up etc... Don't feel you have to get everything changed over and perfect all at once.
Hope this helps...
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Sharon,Gabes wrote:-Sprayed on egg shells (do not have boiled eggs)
This is a USDA-approved practice, to extend shelf life. Egg shells are porous, and so it's possible for bacteria to enter through them, but oil eliminates the porosity, and therefore reduces the risk of bacterial contamination during storage and handling. It's impossible to tell by inspection, but you can probably safely assume that all eggs distributed by the big commercial egg producers in supermarkets have been sprayed with soy oil, these days.
Presumably this would also be legal for organically-produced eggs (since soy is a "natural" product), but I doubt that the smaller organic producers use this trick to extend shelf life (it's why organically-produced eggs typically can't be stored as long as conventionally-produced/processed eggs). I haven't checked within the last year or so, but as far as I am aware, there are no enforced national "organic" standards. Organic regulations are established and regulated on a State level. Therefore, regulations can vary from one jurisdiction to another. And just because soy oil might be allowed does not mean that all producers use it.
The USDA regulations also allow for the use of mineral oil as an egg shell protectant, but since soy oil is so much cheaper, it's almost universally used.
I'm not well acquainted with the use of soy oil on fruits and vegetables, so I have no idea how widespread this practice might be. It probably varies by the product, but you can safely bet that if oil extends the shelf life and/or the eye appeal of a particular item, it will be sprayed with soy oil.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Gabes and Tex,
Both of you are a wealth of information and such a great help to all of us who are in the early (or later) stages of MC.
Gabes, thanks for the info on the "soy hunt." I have never worn makeup so that won't be a problem and have been taking the meals slowly. I drank soy milk for ten or more years thinking it was so good for me. I will search the archives for more info on soy and especially the 30+ names for soy.
Gabes and Tex, I had no idea that eggs and possibly fruits and vegies were sprayed with soy oil.
Thanks again--so appreciate both of you.
Sharon
Both of you are a wealth of information and such a great help to all of us who are in the early (or later) stages of MC.
Gabes, thanks for the info on the "soy hunt." I have never worn makeup so that won't be a problem and have been taking the meals slowly. I drank soy milk for ten or more years thinking it was so good for me. I will search the archives for more info on soy and especially the 30+ names for soy.
Gabes and Tex, I had no idea that eggs and possibly fruits and vegies were sprayed with soy oil.
Thanks again--so appreciate both of you.
Sharon