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I Can Feel Hunger Pangs Again :shock:

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Hi All,

This may seem ridiculous to some, and trivial to most, but this week my ability to sense hunger, by means of hunger pangs, returned, after being missing for over 10 years. Most people take ordinary, everyday hunger pangs for granted, but mine disappeared at some point just prior to my recovery, and ever since then, I have been eating out of habit, not because I was hungry. If I didn't check the clock, or be reminded by someone else that it was time to eat, I would never know that it was mealtime, because my digestive system would never even give me a hint. Skipping meals was as easy as falling off a log.

I have always blamed the loss on neurological damage caused by years of untreated gluten sensitivity, and I give credit to Metanx for the restoration of this ability. Metanx, as most of us are aware, is a balanced combination of the active forms of vitamin B-12, B-9, and B-6. It's available by prescription only in the U. S., but it can be replicated by taking certain combinations of the respective vitamins in OTC active forms. It's mostly prescribed to treat the peripheral neuropathy that sometimes develops with diabetes. But of course it appears that the actual mechanism by which it works, is to treat methylation problems.

I also have significant peripheral neuropathy that causes balance and gait issues, loss of knee and ankle reflexes, and poor sense of feeling in my feet and lower legs. But now I'm not so sure that gluten is solely responsible for the loss of hunger pangs, or the other neurological damage. Apparently it's possible that it may be at least partially due to methylation issues (and my 23andme results do show that I have a couple of MTHFR gene mutations). But whatever the cause, I'm pretty sure that the Metanx has provided the recovery, because my balance and gait are much better (after taking Metanx for over 5 years now), and my lower leg reflexes are much improved, along with my ability to feel pain in my feet.

And the icing on the cake is the return of my ability to feel hunger pangs. I thought that it had been restored a year or so ago, when I felt a sensation in my gut that could have been considered to be hunger pangs. But after a few days it disappeared again. This time it seems to be sticking around, and tonight (for the first time in over 10 years) I actually heard a characteristic belly growl that clearly said, "I'm hungry". So I believe it's safe to say that my enteric nervous system is functioning normally again. I had already given up hope about 5 years ago. :lol:

So now I'm wondering if untreated gluten sensitivity can trigger genes that affect methylation, or if the timing was just a coincidence. :headscratch:

At any rate, regardless of whether the cause of these problems is due to gluten damage or methylation issues, Metanx definitely can be used to effectively treat them. The recommended dose is 1 or 2 capsules per day. I only take 1, so that may be why it took so long.

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tex wrote:Hi All,

This may seem ridiculous to some, and trivial to most, but this week my ability to sense hunger, by means of hunger pangs, returned, after being missing for over 10 years. Most people take ordinary, everyday hunger pangs for granted, but mine disappeared at some point just prior to my recovery, and ever since then, I have been eating out of habit, not because I was hungry. If I didn't check the clock, or be reminded by someone else that it was time to eat, I would never know that it was mealtime, because my digestive system would never even give me a hint. Skipping meals was as easy as falling off a log.

I have always blamed the loss on neurological damage caused by years of untreated gluten sensitivity, and I give credit to Metanx for the restoration of this ability. Metanx, as most of us are aware, is a balanced combination of the active forms of vitamin B-12, B-9, and B-6. It's available by prescription only in the U. S., but it can be replicated by taking certain combinations of the respective vitamins in OTC active forms. It's mostly prescribed to treat the peripheral neuropathy that sometimes develops with diabetes. But of course it appears that the actual mechanism by which it works, is to treat methylation problems.

I also have significant peripheral neuropathy that causes balance and gait issues, loss of knee and ankle reflexes, and poor sense of feeling in my feet and lower legs. But now I'm not so sure that gluten is solely responsible for the loss of hunger pangs, or the other neurological damage. Apparently it's possible that it may be at least partially due to methylation issues (and my 23andme results do show that I have a couple of MTHFR gene mutations). But whatever the cause, I'm pretty sure that the Metanx has provided the recovery, because my balance and gait are much better (after taking Metanx for over 5 years now), and my lower leg reflexes are much improved, along with my ability to feel pain in my feet.

And the icing on the cake is the return of my ability to feel hunger pangs. I thought that it had been restored a year or so ago, when I felt a sensation in my gut that could have been considered to be hunger pangs. But after a few days it disappeared again. This time it seems to be sticking around, and tonight (for the first time in over 10 years) I actually heard a characteristic belly growl that clearly said, "I'm hungry". So I believe it's safe to say that my enteric nervous system is functioning normally again. I had already given up hope about 5 years ago. :lol:

So now I'm wondering if untreated gluten sensitivity can trigger genes that affect methylation, or if the timing was just a coincidence. :headscratch:

At any rate, regardless of whether the cause of these problems is due to gluten damage or methylation issues, Metanx definitely can be used to effectively treat them. The recommended dose is 1 or 2 capsules per day. I only take 1, so that may be why it took so long.

Tex
That is some good news, Tex!

I don't know the reason for the lack of hunger pangs, but I experienced the same during 2013 and 2014. I had no appetite, I lost 12 kilos, there was no signal from head to stomach or vice versa. I had to watch the clock, and then start preparing my meals. Food did not appeal to me, it was only a question of duty and the thought of what would happen if I didn't eat...

Now, after a few weeks on B-12, B-9 and B-6 in the ratio you gave me, I feel like I'm getting my life back! My legs don't hurt, my lower back doesn't hurt, I can walk without being afraid of falling, I can feel my feet on the ground, and I have started to get my appetite back. I don't have these dark thoughts any more, and I look forward to waking up the next day when I go to sleep at night.

IOW, life is good! Now I'm eager to see how my body reacts when I'm completely off Entocort. I have started to taper off, so now I take one capsule every other day, and I will follow your plan and be completely off Entocort sometime end April/beginning of May.

Many thanks and hugs to you,

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Glad you are still progressing and healing.
I lost my appetite/hunger as well. Occasionally some particular food might sound good, but I never got actually hungry. The Uceris causes increased appetite and weight gain, not sure how that happens. Now that I have been off it for a week or so I am back to no appetite.
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:lol: Tex, I'm laughing because I just told my husband this morning "I'm going to have to find some way to curb my appetite" which has also returned in the last 4-5 weeks and I mean in full force. In addition, I seem to be past those crazy motility issues that plagued me for all of year 3 (years 1 and 2 past diagnosis for me were all about healing).

I found out this week by experience that things that used to trigger aggressive gut motility for me no longer do that. For example, if I slept poorly or too little I could count on the next day being miserable with spasms and many trips to the bathroom, to the point I may have to take Imodium and an antispasmodic. This week I had 2 nights I had trouble falling asleep and it didn't trigger anything (other than a desire to nap). Lunch on Thursday consisted of a Hershey bar with almonds (it was an unbelievably hectic day and I didn't get to the lunch I packed). Typically that much butter fat in chocolate would have given me symptoms the next day. Not this week.

However, I'm gaining weight like crazy so it's time to adjust to a strict Paleo routine. I even feel I would have the energy to exercise after work. I now make plans and don't worry that I won't be able to keep them.

So I'm with you Tex. Remission also has it's stages. I'm hearing stomach growling, food looks good (too good), and now I need to adjust back to portion control--- an effort I am happy to make. In the near future my gut will really be put to the test as my husband and I are moving to Kansas City in June, leaving behind wonderful bosses and colleagues and our home for 19 years, but we need to be closer to family and to my husband's cardio-specialists, so now is the time.

Have a good weekend,
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Lilja,

It's very good to read that you are feeling so much better. I hope that you continue to feel better and better.

You're very welcome.

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Theresa,

It's interesting that even though I didn't feel hungry, once I began to eat, I clearly enjoyed it. So that created another associated problem — it was easy to overeat, because I couldn't tell when I was full. I would find out too late, after my belly began to complain. :lol: I had to learn to eat what appeared to be an appropriate amount, and then stop.

You probably just need more healing for your appetite to return (without the aid of Uceris).

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Carol,

Apparently you have indeed "arrived", if your digestive system is performing "too well" (as if that's an actual status). :lol:

Back before my awareness of the need for a major diet overhaul became a reality, a Hershey bar or Snicker and a Coke were my lunch and often mid-morning and mid-afternoon snacks, when I was working, if better options were not available, or when I didn't have time to stop to eat. :roll: Gee, you don't suppose that could have had anything to do with my leaky gut problem do you? :lol:

I'm betting that you'll be able to make that move in June without any significant GI issues. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the update. There are few things more enjoyable than reading an update from someone who actually has earned her life back, as a reward for years of hard work and perseverance. And of course you managed to do it while working full time, so this is an impressive accomplishment.

Enjoy your good health — you've earned it. And I hope your weekend is most enjoyable, too. (Of course if your weather is anything like ours today, you'll probably have to enjoy it indoors. :grin:)

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There are few things more enjoyable than reading an update from someone who actually has earned her life back, as a reward for years of hard work and perseverance. And of course you managed to do it while working full time, so this is an impressive accomplishment.
Thanks Tex. This time I'm not even going to be humble. I did earn it, every day with lots of careful choices, research, advocating for myself, and with the support of everyone here. I didn't honestly think I would ever feel like I did before I developed LC, but I think I'm there. I'm very grateful.

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Tex,
I can't provide actual science per say, but in all the reading/research I have been doing, anyone with medical issues linked to inflammation, fixing the methylation cycle is crucial if you want optimised wellness..

Cell health, clearing toxins/heavy metals is reliant on optimised methylation cycle.
Vit D alone is not enough...
And the fact that mast cell issues is linked to methylation issues reiterates the importance. Given how many MC'ers have mast cell issues... (And the amount of people that have chronic mast cell issues) - there is a fairly big link with methylation cycle.

That is why I have been sharing the info!!!
Even better, getting info about your methylation cycle via the D&A testing and then getting the methylation report is affordable and accessible by most !!! Don't need a doctor referral...
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Thanks, Tex, for the great update. I don't know why I'm always surprised to hear that other PPers have almost the same bazaar symptoms that I have. I'm rarely hungry and eat at the same times every day out of habit. I NEVER snack because I'm not hungry. I'm eating a lot less than I used to and I'm not hungry. Seems to be part of the whole syndrome. When I'm hungry again, I'll know I'm further down the road to complete healing.

It's reassuring to hear how others are doing and it is wonderful that your symptoms are receding, Tex.

Good news from everybody.

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Great news Tex,

I was looking into the 23andme site because it sounds interesting and insightful but the following statement is now made:

"Status of our health-related genetic reports.
We no longer offer our health-related genetic reports to new customers to comply with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s directive to discontinue new consumer access during our regulatory review process.

At this time, we do not know the timeline as to which health reports might be available in the future or when they might be available."

$100 isn't a bad price but is there anything offered along with it to help interpret the data?
What information from it did you find the most useful for your MC?

It is something I would consider for both me and my son since he seems to have gotten the short end of the stick for getting good genes. I continue to urge him to go Paleo in his best interest but so far it's a no go. It would be worth the investment but not if I have no clue what to do with it. My son has already given samples to Mayo for genetic testing but they will not share the information at this time. In addition to his liver and potential GI issues both his father and I have thyroid problems so I am wondering when that timebomb may go off.
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Deb, that was implemented quite a while ago. 23andMe will still send the genealogy data but you will need another source to interpret it. They are available free or minimal cost. The ones many of us have used are promethease.com and http://geneticgenie.org/ Deb
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Deb,
I just got my results this morning. Haven't had time to analyze it yet.
Here's the link to the previous topic:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20691
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Thanks Deb. That helps a lot!

I remember getting doctor notes from a visit I had once and it took me a good hour to interpret them because I ended up googling every other word to decipher what she was saying. It worked but was a tedious process.
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Thanks Theresa,

I missed that post. More good info!
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