Calcium and osteoporosis

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:42 am

Anyone worried about eating a diet with no dairy should listen to this lecture. Anyone taking calcium supplements should listen to this lecture. Anyone worried about osteoporosis or osteopenia should listen to this lecture:

http://intensivedietarymanagement.com/calcium-story/

The lecturer, Dr Jason Fung, also has really worthwhile lectures on both obesity and type 2 diabetes.

Jean

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:31 am

Hi Jean,

Great find! What struck me is how the lecture pulls together everything we have been saying here about calcium and dairy for years now. (We always seem to be ahead of the times!). I'm glad the info is now getting out to the public.

I had my annual internist appt. last week. He knows I have eaten no dairy for almost 14 years now (since diagnosis of MC) and that I do not believe in calcium supplementation. He is on board with the latest - he said I should get my calcium from food only (in my case that's lots of leafy greens and occasional calcium-fortified orange juice) - and he emphasized no calcium supplementation for me because of the risk of 35% more heart disease in women who supplement. BTW, he also recommended minimizing grains of all kinds, which of course, I do. It seems that if we wait long enough, the medical profession catches up with what we have already figured out. HAH!

Thanks for sharing.

Namaste,

Polly

P.S. Tex, you will be interested to know that he also reminded me that a higher cholesterol level is beneficial as we age!

Post by **tex** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:32 pm

Jean,

I totally agree.

Thanks for the link.

Tex

Post by **tex** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:42 pm

Polly wrote:P.S. Tex, you will be interested to know that he also reminded me that a higher cholesterol level is beneficial as we age!

Excellent! You obviously have a keeper there. Now if I could only discover a way to boost my cholesterol level. Ever since part of my terminal ileum was removed (so that recycling of bile fatty acids has been reduced), my cholesterol level has been too low. I consider that to be my most significant mortality and Alzheimer's risk. Of course my doctor is a happy camper.

Love,
Tex

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:50 pm

Tex,

Are you taking a statin?

Polly

Post by **tex** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:15 pm

No. Back in May, 2010, the ER doc prescribed simvastatin, Plavix, lisinopril, and metoprolol, after he couldn't rule out a TIA during a right-side paresthesia event. The statin lasted about 9 months before I stopped taking it because of muscle stiffness. I've gradually stopped taking the metoprolol because my BP and heart rate are usually too low to justify/risk taking it.

But yes, the statin pushed my cholesterol level way too low (145 mg/dl at one point). A total cholesterol level in the vicinity of 150 mg/dl is documented to be the most dangerous cholesterol level that anyone could possibly have (based on mortality risk), but my PCP was as happy as a lark, naturally.

Since then, I've been able to push it back up to the 180–190 mg/dl range, but I'd prefer to see it up at least in the 240–250 mg/dl range, and higher would presumably be better.

Prior to the surgery, my total cholesterol level was typically in the 218–228 mg/dl range. Obviously the removal of a few inches of the terminal ileum is an extremely effective tool for suppressing the total cholesterol level. I'm surprised that a few enterprising surgeons haven't tried to promote that procedure as a way to reduce cholesterol levels. Apparently it hasn't occurred to them. If you want to reduce cholesterol levels, it's probably safer than taking a statin.

Tex

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:31 pm

Polly and Tex,

Glad you both liked the lecture. I am very impressed with this doctor. It takes a lot of guts to go against the conventional wisdom in medicine plus he is putting it all out there for free. His lectures on obesity and diabetes are equally good, equally well-researched and equally against conventional medical advice. He really seems to be interested in disseminating knowledge. I have always worried about my calcium intake since it always came out deficient when I tracked the nutrient value of the foods I ate, even though I eat a lot of calcium containing greens. I am now officially not worried.

Jean

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:53 am

I'm still taking calcium supplements. Also PCP is concerned because I can no longer take the daily aspirin to prevent heart problems. Tagged the video to watch later on the TV. Thanks.

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:59 am

Theresa,

Can you tolerate a glass of wine? More fun than the aspirin anyway!

Polly

Blueberry · Post by **Blueberry** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:37 am

I haven't watched the video yet. I'll plan to do so soon. I have seen some information in the past about the problem of taking calcium supplements along with health problems potentially created by consuming to much calcium rich dairy.

One of the newer nice write ups I've come across, on Dr. Suzanne Humphries's sight, for addressing osteoporosis is avoiding calcium as it can calcify arteries, and instead taking or eating a diet rich in water soluble vitamin C. She also wrote about the importance of vitamin D, and vitamin K2.

"Osteoporisis is Scurvy of the bone, not calcium deficiency. Suzanne Humphries, MD"

http://drsuzanne.net/2012/08/osteoporis ... phries-md/

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:03 am

Polly,
I have a glass of red wine most every day. It is more fun!

brandy · Post by **brandy** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:56 pm

Bookmarked the session to watch. Honestly I saw Mom take calcium her whole life as her mother had osteoperosis but basically it has been useless i.e Mom has been my lab study. I need to watch the video.

Brandy