new thread - pine crush and digest easy

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:45 pm

zizzle
here is some links to the info

it is really enthusing that someone is coming up with scientific reasoning and some valid answers for conditions like MC, and 'natural' treatments. using pure elements of foods.

i became aware of these products via my local pharmacy, the owner/pharmacist had been to training session with the researcher/inventor Prof Cliff Hawkins the week before and he thought i would be interested
http://www.biohawk.com.au/index.html (website marketing information based site)

I am pretty sure what they say in the marketing products is what Tex has been saying for a long time, about T-Cells, B Cells antigens and the immune system response is so big it damages the host and good cells, IgG and IgE impacts etc. so there is nothing new here. (the PDF on the website for the digest easy product may make a good pamphlet to give to friends and family to explain why MC is like it is)
The enthusing part is that the reason for multiple intolerances and how to fix it is getting some traction with pharmacy and doctors (and not just those in naturopathy)

this is the gent who has researched and designed the product, Prof Cliff Hawkins feel free to email him if you have any questions
http://yourstorypodcast.com/2009/12/foo ... es-cancer/

most Pharmacists/doctors that studied at Uni of Qld were taught chemistry by him, he is quite happy to chat about the products.

the pharmacist said their layperson explanation is that the food proteins we are reacting to are like barbed wire to our gut and causing damage that cant be fixed by probiotics etc that used to work for most IBS/IBD's 2-10 years ago. it is two fold, if there is too much damage and/or too much mucus, the probiotics and other products including medications wont work. (maybe this is why some of the medication based treatments do become less effective over time??)
this ginger product assists the body to break down the barbed wire and reduce the inflammation.
I see this product as very useful for a) gut healing b) for times when you are reacting due to other influences (ie histamines) or c) if you want to eat out or eat at a special occaision and there is mistaken contamination.

Further
Prof Hawkins found that there were some bacteria's that had a polysaccharide coating/membrane so thick the ginger product could not break it down (namely.. streptococcus peneumoniae, haemophilus influenzae b) Prof Hawkins searched for an enzyme capable of breaking down the membrane so the immune system could fight the bacteria.

(i wonder if it is these bacteria's that could be one reason why MC starts?? i wonder if your theory about EPV is also in this category)

there is no marketing material for this product, (it doesnt come with a label on the product as they were not ready when they produced the product and froze it) the pharmacist shared with me a copy of a page of his notes, it says Chronic Fatigue can arise from a cytokine peptide expressed by a hypersentized immune system competing with insulin in the binding of glucose to energy cells, another cause can be a saccharide competing with glucose for binding via insulin to the energy cell receptor, 'pine crush' was also developed as a means of breaking down these saccharides.

some doctor colleagues of Prof Hawkins trialed the product they had patients, children that had infections that no antiobiotic would work, the children took this product 'pine crush' and then started the antiobiotics and the infection was gone within one cycle

He is selling the products as foods per say, makes no claims, to be able to make medical claims, he would have had to go to hell and back with the therapeutic administrators. There is enough demand via the pharmacies and most people with issues/multiple intolerances are pretty happy to give it a try.

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:21 pm

Interesting! I'd try it. I wonder how their "Relief" product differs from regular digestive enzymes? And how is ginger rizome different from ginger you buy for cooking?

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:30 pm

Pretty sure there is info on the website about the ginger... and why that derivative works
if not - email them, they are very forthcoming with answers/supplying information
I have spoken to Prof Hawkins

sadly the pinecrush product can not be sent internationally, not sure if there is anything similar available in the USA

I am thinking of starting the digest easy liquid again and digestive aid while i am working through the methylation issues.

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:13 am

Gabes-Apg wrote: sadly the pinecrush product can not be sent internationally, not sure if there is anything similar available in the USA

This is interesting.

Because of language challenges (and especially the language used in medicine context), it's hard to understand much of the link, other than the fact that ginger is beneficial, in a certain combination with other ingredients, I would presume.

Since the product cannot be sent internationally, I wonder if it would be of any help just to start adding more ginger and pineaple into my food?

Lilia

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:57 am

Liilja,

There are two products.

1. Is pineapple based 'pine crush'. This is not available internationally.
The main intent of this product is to clear the bio films on bad bacteria, that allows the bad bacteria to stay in the gut, and not be cleared via normal process.

2. Digest ezy, ginger based. They have powder that is able to be sent internationally.

Ginger has been know to help digestion, nausea etc. I think the difference with this product compared to normal fresh ginger, is that have extracted the key ingredient of the ginger, in a more concentrate form, to aid digestion.

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:07 am

Thank you, Gabes.

For the time being I'm on Entocort, and have no symptoms if I stick to my diet.

Yesterday, I had some bone broth soup with safe veggies (I thought), but got so sick (needles and pins in my lower back and legs). When I read through some tests made 2 years ago, I discovered that I cannot have broccoli, and the soup was full of broccoli...

Loose smelly stools this morning, colour yellow/beige. Hopefully this is passing and that this is not a sign of an MC flare.

Lilja

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:12 am

I always make the bone broth on plain meat bones only.
Only Add some safe veges when reheating....

That way I always have safe base to work with.

If the meds and diet are working for you, that's great, stick with it.

Zizzle was just revisiting the post from 2012, as she as bacteria imbalance she is trying to resolve.

UkuleleLady · Post by **UkuleleLady** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:11 pm

This might be of interest, something I came across years ago, was the only thing that ever "worked" for GERD.. Ginger Root Juice.

From Walt Stoll, another rebel doctor.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/articles/hiatus.php

I think it works by quelling inflammation. It seriously worked better than any PPI, but I found myself taking ginger all the time, all day, everyday. It never cured anything because I was still on gluten/dairy/etc, which was the beginning of my upper GI then lower GI problems.

A blood test (ELISA) suggested I am now allergic to ginger, so I hardly ever have it now.

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:32 am

Gabes-Apg wrote:I always make the bone broth on plain meat bones only.
Only Add some safe veges when reheating....

I do the same; cook the broth and freeze it. When heating the broth, I add different vegetables each time. But, I had totally forgotten that broccoli was on my "no" list.

The pains passed after 12 hours, and I'm fit as a fiddle again.

Lilja