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humbird753
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After all the reading I've been doing I should know the answer to this. I'm at work and have been asked a question. Is MC a systemic disorder?
Paula
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humbird753
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My understanding is that MC can be a systemic disorder if connective tissue or MACD issues are involved. So with that understanding, I am believing that not all cases of MC are systemic.
Paula
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Interesting question. I have no idea. 
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If MC is an autoimmune disease, as is celiac sprue, as is rosacea and as is Sjögren's syndrome, then a majority of my bodily systems are involved. If you add osteo-arthritis to the list, that adds other body parts. Do you factor in the genetic methylation disorders many of us have? So many of us have multiple disorders and who knows what came first. Did the celiac/gluten intolerance/food intolerances cause MC or did MC trigger the other auto-immune issues.
I'm sure someone will give you the correct answer, humbird.
Sheila W
. If MC is an autoimmune disease, as is celiac sprue, as is rosacea and as is Sjögren's syndrome, then a majority of my bodily systems are involved. If you add osteo-arthritis to the list, that adds other body parts. Do you factor in the genetic methylation disorders many of us have? So many of us have multiple disorders and who knows what came first. Did the celiac/gluten intolerance/food intolerances cause MC or did MC trigger the other auto-immune issues.
I'm sure someone will give you the correct answer, humbird.
Sheila W
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Hi Paula,
That's a loaded question, IMO. "Systemic" is generally defined as affecting the entire body. But if you apply that definition strictly, are there actually any systemic diseases? Most diseases that are claimed to be systemic do not directly infect the entire body — the effects are actually secondary or tertiary for many organs. IOW, those additional organs are affected, but not infected.
If that same degree of freedom is applied to MC, then yes, it's a systemic disease, because even though it does not infect every cell in the body, it will eventually cause virtually every cell in the body to be starved for certain nutrients. Of course, for all we know, maybe it does eventually lead to the inflammation of every cell in the body. No researcher has ever checked.
But regarding secondary effects, the leaky gut associated with MC will allow partially digested food peptides to be carried all over the body by the bloodstream, and those peptides are deposited in most (possibly all) organs, causing arthritis, muscle pain, headaches, etc. Even the brain is affected because gluten crosses the blood/brain barrier, and subsequently even the central nervous system will be affected. We've even discussed research that documented that IBDs suppress libedo (which was confirmed by the personal experiences of numerous members here), so the question is, "What part of the body is not affected?"
Can anyone name a part of the body that is not affected by MC? Since MC has a significant effect on nutrient absorption, it would be very difficult for any part of the body to not be affected to some degree. At least that's the way I see it.
Tex
That's a loaded question, IMO. "Systemic" is generally defined as affecting the entire body. But if you apply that definition strictly, are there actually any systemic diseases? Most diseases that are claimed to be systemic do not directly infect the entire body — the effects are actually secondary or tertiary for many organs. IOW, those additional organs are affected, but not infected.
If that same degree of freedom is applied to MC, then yes, it's a systemic disease, because even though it does not infect every cell in the body, it will eventually cause virtually every cell in the body to be starved for certain nutrients. Of course, for all we know, maybe it does eventually lead to the inflammation of every cell in the body. No researcher has ever checked.
But regarding secondary effects, the leaky gut associated with MC will allow partially digested food peptides to be carried all over the body by the bloodstream, and those peptides are deposited in most (possibly all) organs, causing arthritis, muscle pain, headaches, etc. Even the brain is affected because gluten crosses the blood/brain barrier, and subsequently even the central nervous system will be affected. We've even discussed research that documented that IBDs suppress libedo (which was confirmed by the personal experiences of numerous members here), so the question is, "What part of the body is not affected?"
Can anyone name a part of the body that is not affected by MC? Since MC has a significant effect on nutrient absorption, it would be very difficult for any part of the body to not be affected to some degree. At least that's the way I see it.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
When I was diagnozed with CC and left to myself, I visited many GPs explaining my symptoms in search of a cure.
In one of the consultations, these words fell of my mouth: "I feel like it's a systemic error" (the only comparison I could think of since this is what I experienced at work, working with data information).
I had never planned to say it, I think it was my intuition that spoke out loud. The GP started laughing, and exclaimed " Hahaha! Systemic error! You came here because of your gut problems!"
I agree with Tex, I think all organs - our whole system - is affected by the MC.
Long before I started having gut problems, I tried different alternative medicine doctors in order to get rid of my psoriasis, and the first question they would ask was "how does your stomach function". But, at that time it apparently worked just fine.
Lilia
In one of the consultations, these words fell of my mouth: "I feel like it's a systemic error" (the only comparison I could think of since this is what I experienced at work, working with data information).
I had never planned to say it, I think it was my intuition that spoke out loud. The GP started laughing, and exclaimed " Hahaha! Systemic error! You came here because of your gut problems!"
I agree with Tex, I think all organs - our whole system - is affected by the MC.
Long before I started having gut problems, I tried different alternative medicine doctors in order to get rid of my psoriasis, and the first question they would ask was "how does your stomach function". But, at that time it apparently worked just fine.
Lilia
Collagenous Colitis diagnosis in 2010
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013