Even ER Docs Don't Recognize The Importance Of Magnesium

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Even ER Docs Don't Recognize The Importance Of Magnesium

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Hi All,

As many of you are aware, I made a visit to the ER last Wednesday, because I seemed to be having a reaction to an antibiotic, Bactrim Ds (sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim). I had shortness of breath (rapid, shallow breathing, unable to take a deep breath), significantly elevated heart rate, elevated temperature (chills and fever), unable to sleep, constant thirst/dry mouth, frequent need to urinate, and a general drugged feeling. I woke up about 2 am with a heart rate around 125 or more, and my temp was up about 4 degrees. I decided to tough it out, but by noon my resting heart rate had only come down to around 100, my temp was still elevated by a couple of degrees, I was still having trouble breathing, and I was unable to do any more than just nibble on a little breakfast, because I had no appetite. Since I had been losing weight for months, at a rate of roughly 2 pounds per week, I decided to go to the ER to see if they could at least confirm whether I was reacting to the antibiotic, or if something else was the problem.

They did all the right tests, and asked all the right questions, but they reached the wrong conclusion, when the correct answer was right in front of their nose. They told me that all my test results were normal (they even x-rayed my chest to make sure there was no infection anywhere). So they diagnosed me with a viral infection (even though I had no nasal discharge, no throat congestion or abnormal mucus, and no digestive system issues other than a loss of appetite, and they sent me on my way. By then my temp was only elevated by about a degree and my resting heart rate had come down to about 85 bpm. IOW, another wasted ER visit, or so I thought at the time.

But I will be eternally grateful to those ER docs, because they ordered the right tests, and one of the tests was for magnesium. When I analyzed my test results online on Friday, I was amazed. There it was, as plain as day — my magnesium test was flagged as low. :shock: How could those docs have just ignored such an important test result?

Now bear in mind that this is the largest teaching hospital in the area, so the doc doing all the test ordering was relatively new, and under the supervision of an experienced doctor who reviewed and OK'd everything. So clearly, the importance of magnesium sufficiency is not being taught (or at least not being emphasized) in med school today.

So I printed out a chart of my blood pressure and heart rate for the past couple of months (I check my BP twice a day because I take BP meds for stroke prevention, and I skip them whenever my BP is too already too low). The data can be downloaded to a PC and analyzed or printed out as desired. And on that chart I noted the days that I had been taking Bactrim (I had taken it twice for 10 days each time during the previous month or so, because of dental work). I also charted the days that I had the flu, and the days that I initially thought I had a relapse (but now it appears that the relapse was simply an adverse reaction to the Bactrim). In fact, I wonder if I ever had the flu — the symptoms were suspiciously similar to the symptoms of the Bactrim reaction, and I was taking bactrim (for the second time) when I had the flu. And of course I noted the single day that I had taken Bactrim the third time (the day before the ER visit).

The chart showed a reasonably clear trend. Each time I took the Bactrim, it had a greater effect. The first time the effects were minimal, but by the third time they were glaringly obvious. Each time, after a few days, it suppressed my BP. By the end of the second treatment period for example, my BP was down to 85/49. Each time my breathing became more difficult, my heart rate went up, and I developed a fever. My breathing problem was just like having asthma, except there was no wheezing. The last time I took the Bactrim, within an hour of taking the first tablet, I had a temperature increase.

But the Bactrim wasn't causing my symptoms, at least not directly, and that's presumably what mystified the ER docs — it didn't fit the pattern for a classic reaction. But the test result that showed the magnesium deficiency was the key to the real issue. After studying the chart I had made it became clear to me that the Bactrim had depleted my remaining magnesium, and all of the important symptoms were due to a magnesium deficiency (not the Bactrim per se). Trust me, any time we show a magnesium deficiency on a blood test, we have a major magnesium deficiency problem. It's time to do something.

To verify that theory I started taking an additional 200 mg of magnesium glycinate each night before going to bed. This was in addition to my regular dose of 200 mg of magnesium citrate and 200 mg of magnesium glycinate (that I take each day right after breakfast). The next morning I woke up breathing normally and that has been the case ever since. In general, I'm breathing easier than I've been able to breathe at any time for the past 9 years (ever since my first abdominal surgery in November, 2005). Case closed (finally, after all these years).

Magnesium deficiency symptoms are very similar to the symptoms of diabetes. My blood sugar was even elevated in the ER blood tests, but now the level is back down in the normal range (even though the draw was made within a couple of hours of my noon meal). And now I no longer have to get up once or twice during the night to empty my bladder — I sleep normally again.

With each surgery, my breathing problem became progressively worse. Apparently anesthesia depletes magnesium or interferes with its absorption. Whenever I would complain to a doctor that I was having breathing problems they would listen to my lungs and airways and conclude that nothing was wrong. Magnesium deficiency can mimic asthma (without the wheezing), but obviously this condition cannot be detected by a stethoscope.

I showed my chart to my doctor at a followup visit yesterday, and explained my reasoning, and he agreed with my logic. He ordered some additional tests to verify that my serum magnesium is now back in the normal range (and so is my creatinine). My creatinine had been elevated on a previous test (done last Friday), thus indicating that the reaction was causing a kidney function problem (but this didn't appear in the ER test results from Wednesday). Obviously it took a few days for the reaction to "mature". Magnesium deficiency can really throw a monkey wrench in the machinery. It apparently even changed one of the parameters on my EKG.

I've ordered some magnesium oil, because the extra 200 mg of magnesium glycinate seems to cause a slight amount of D during the night. The big question of course is, "Why am I having so much trouble absorbing/retaining magnesium? But its awesome to be able to breathe normally again, all day and all night long. Life is good again.

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Glad you are doing better!!
Thanks for the detailed account and showing us how important magnesium is for us. I just started using the mag oil again and doing the epsom soaks. I don't really like the feel of the oil but that is my only option since I have not tolerated oral magnesium.
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After the recent research into methylation and cell deficiencies, i am certain that majority of my health issues of the past 4 years are due to major deficiencies of key nutrients/minerals.

9-11 months of focussed supplement regime, high doses of most supps, here is the progress;

- medium level kidney function issues - unknown cause (no longer and issue since fixing key deficiencies)
- histamine/mast cell issues - no longer an issue since fixing key deficiencies
- BP/Tachycardia - we have just started reducing the dosages of my BP/Heart meds
- chronic GERD / acid reflux - no longer and issue since fixing key deficiencies, Magnesium being the main one

the current health system is not pro-active about testing and monitoring nutrient/mineral deficiencies.
in the case of magnesium, sadly there is no easy test to gauge accurate levels.
Albeit, from what we have learnt this past 12 months if you have an IBD, there is a high probability you are deficient and this deficiency is linked to multiple symptoms/issues.

Keep in mind that Magnesium is also essential for clearing toxins, heavy metals etc. If you have had inflammation in the gut/leaky gut, again there is a high probability that you will have excess toxins/heavy metals in your body. Clearing these and fixing magnesium deficiency will take 12 months or more depending on how long you have had inflammation/health issues
I have been on high doses for almost 12 months. It took over 6 months of high doses to see improvements.

I have been taking high doses for 6 months of molybdenum, Vit E, Vit C, Zinc to clear the toxins/heavy metals
Magnesium alone can not do this, but it is an essential element of the process.








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Glad to read you are doing better now. Thanks for the mention about magnesium helping with breathing, and asthma issues. I have a nephew with a severe asthma problem. Considering all the health issues I've dealt with in my life, his condition is on my mind and worries me. I'll have the bring the idea of taking magnesium up with her next time we chat. That might be a big help, and easy to do.

As an interest, I've taken to reading about the problems fungal and yeast foods and substances can cause. A frequent topic in the writings concerns the potential problems antibiotics/fungal toxins can cause. I guess in general I've gained the impression antibiotics can be life savers at times, obviously, but additionally trouble makers. At least for me I know I'll be limiting the antibiotics I'll be taking in the future.
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Ten Years!
I'm belly achin' over 3 months of the same miserable symptoms. Hopefully the magtein that I ordered will help. I use topical mag but obviously is not enough. I don't want to risk D. Coming off of the clonazepam, I don't know if I will "overload" my brain with the L-threonate form. I'm just glad you got some relief Tex! I'm pretty sure you were right on target in your other post. Mag deficiency has my name all over it.
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vanessa,
i have had ongoing symptoms for over 7 years...

that is why I agree with feedback in your other post about going to Mayo Clinc.
Give the diet and healing some time to work, it will take months to fix deficiencies and see noticeable improvement.

Another member, Hoosier (rich) also went to Mayo and did not have much luck/benefit.

If you do go, keep realistic expectations of the appointment and any possible outcomes.
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Blueberry,

Speaking of infections, yeast, etc., another often-overlooked symptom of magnesium deficiency is a tendency to develop frequent or recurring skin, gum, bladder or vaginal yeast infections. I've had unexplained skin infections for several years. My doctor couldn't explain why. In fact, that's the reason why I took the Bactrim DS in the first place, because I had a cyst on my back that continued to repeatedly become inflamed. The second and third times I took the antibiotic was to treat a tooth infection.

Interestingly, I'm sure that the 1 day of treatment (the last time — I stopped after taking it only 1 day) was not enough to totally eliminate the tooth infection, and it seemed to be coming back on Friday. But after I upped my magnesium dosage, the tooth problem simply faded away, and I haven't taken another antibiotic, even though the ER docs gave me a script for Cipro. Obviously my immune system simply needed more magnesium to do it's job.

To show you how bad my breathing problem had become, I had intended to begin taking the Cipro when I got back from the ER, but when I read the patient advisory sheet, the second item (the first warning was about the risk of tendon rupture) warned myasthenia gravis patients not to take Cipro, because it can make the symptoms worse. :shock: Since I had been wondering for over a year whether my breathing problems might possibly be due to the slow development of MG, I emailed my doctor and asked him to include an antibody test used in the diagnosis of MG in the blood draw scheduled for Friday. He didn't see it in time for the draw, but he had his nurse call me and advise me that he would add the test, so I went back and did another blood draw. I wasn't about to take the Cipro unless that test result ruled out MG.

Thankfully, the acetylcholine receptor binding antibody test results (to rule out MG) were all negative, so I can use Cipro if I need to use an antibiotic. Of course that doesn't completely rule it out, since only 85–90 % of patients with MG produce those antibodies, but I figure that's close enough to put the odds in my favor. In the meantime though, as I mentioned, the extra magnesium seems to have preempted the need for an antibiotic, so I'm an happy camper.

And to put the icing on the cake, my Ancient Minerals magnesium spray arrived today, so I'll try that tonight, before taking a shower. Suddenly, everything seems to be going my way. :grin:

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Vanessa,

When we can't figure out what's wrong, and our doctors just shrug when we ask them, stuff tends to go on and on. If I hadn't already been taking 800 mg of magnesium (twice the RDA for men) I might have been suspicious, but there was no reason to suspect that I wasn't absorbing enough of it — until the antibiotic illuminated the problem, and the blood test finally showed a positive result for magnesium deficiency. That turned on a light bulb in my mind that illuminated a lot of things.

Clearly, our malabsorption problems can be much worse than we realize. Some of them are apparently permanent.

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Gabes,

That's awesome news, especially the part about resolving the kidney issues. That was worrisome.

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Yep
fixing deficiencies and clearing excess toxins and metals is key to wellness

linked to this is methylation cycle working properly.. so the body systems operate as they are meant to..
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Tex:

I'm so glad you have figured this out, and are doing better! I find it scary that we always have to figure so much out ourselves, and I am nowhere near as good at understanding a lot of this as many of you. Is the magnesium test the RBC test? Speaking of magnesium, Theresa had mentioned magtein (mag l-threonate) in another post as being very helpful, and I'm wondering about the difference between that type, and other types of magnesium. Is it easier on our GI tract than other forms? Currently, I only use magnesium oil, as I can't handle it orally

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Glad you are better Tex. I cannot take Bactrim. I have had an ongoing UTI (not magnesium related because the bacteria are definitely from the rectum - splashback?). I immediately got big time D, total water. Couldn't get off the toilet for 2 days and nights. I had to change the abx to Cipro.
However, the infection didn't go away, and today my doc is wondering if my bladder is colonized. We'll see.
Meantime the flare is only just coming under control after weeks of eating minimal foods.
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Thanks guys....
It's good to know your not "special". Funny Tex, I too was suspecting MG for myself due to weakness and breathing problems. I'm canceling mayo, I don't have energy to waste....thanks for the input. And Gabes I'm so glad your hard earned work is paying off :grin:
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Sorry to hear of your recent issues in the ER. It is frightening to think how much can be missed. I admire your ability to figure out the answers on your own. Glad things are getting back on track for you.

I've been using the magnesium oil as my deoderant since my cancer experience. The aluminum in regular deodorants has me hesitant to use them. Not sure how it will work out now that I'm much more physically active at work. Time will tell. I also was using it on the bottoms of my feet at bedtime since the stickiness was hard to tolerate. I had to stop doing that because it dried my feet out terribly and caused the skin to peel off during the shower leaving them dry and cracked. I can tell if I miss it becausecmy leg cramps get much worse.
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Vanessa,
as a newbie to MC world, take advantage of the experience and learnings of 'old timers' - with the knowledge shared here you can shortcut your journey to wellness big time!!!
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