Even ER Docs Don't Recognize The Importance Of Magnesium

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tex wrote:Blueberry,

Speaking of infections, yeast, etc., another often-overlooked symptom of magnesium deficiency is a tendency to develop frequent or recurring skin, gum, bladder or vaginal yeast infections. I've had unexplained skin infections for several years. My doctor couldn't explain why. In fact, that's the reason why I took the Bactrim DS in the first place, because I had a cyst on my back that continued to repeatedly become inflamed. The second and third times I took the antibiotic was to treat a tooth infection.

Interestingly, I'm sure that the 1 day of treatment (the last time — I stopped after taking it only 1 day) was not enough to totally eliminate the tooth infection, and it seemed to be coming back on Friday. But after I upped my magnesium dosage, the tooth problem simply faded away, and I haven't taken another antibiotic, even though the ER docs gave me a script for Cipro. Obviously my immune system simply needed more magnesium to do it's job.

To show you how bad my breathing problem had become, I had intended to begin taking the Cipro when I got back from the ER, but when I read the patient advisory sheet, the second item (the first warning was about the risk of tendon rupture) warned myasthenia gravis patients not to take Cipro, because it can make the symptoms worse. :shock: Since I had been wondering for over a year whether my breathing problems might possibly be due to the slow development of MG, I emailed my doctor and asked him to include an antibody test used in the diagnosis of MG in the blood draw scheduled for Friday. He didn't see it in time for the draw, but he had his nurse call me and advise me that he would add the test, so I went back and did another blood draw. I wasn't about to take the Cipro unless that test result ruled out MG.

Thankfully, the acetylcholine receptor binding antibody test results (to rule out MG) were all negative, so I can use Cipro if I need to use an antibiotic. Of course that doesn't completely rule it out, since only 85–90 % of patients with MG produce those antibodies, but I figure that's close enough to put the odds in my favor. In the meantime though, as I mentioned, the extra magnesium seems to have preempted the need for an antibiotic, so I'm an happy camper.

And to put the icing on the cake, my Ancient Minerals magnesium spray arrived today, so I'll try that tonight, before taking a shower. Suddenly, everything seems to be going my way. :grin:

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Tex,

Wonderful, agree magnesium is good stuff, for a surprising range of health problem. I'm really glad to hear it's helping out so well. Wow, you've hit a rough patch is sounds like! That's awful. I'm happy to read the extra magnesium is providing relief. Take care of your self. I hope the kidney stones are behind you too. I remember you writing about that issue in the past also, and letting out a little shriek.

Along somewhat similar lines this evening I'm reading largely a testimonial book about a product called Willard's water. Hard to describe the water, other than it's structured differently, H3O2 I believe, and high in minerals. All kinds of claims are made by users of it, from helping cure skin problems, eliminate burn pain and speed healing, cure diabetes, cataracts, fights infections, yeast, fungus, bacteria, improve stomach issues etc. (I've found the water helpful, but hasn't been a cure all for me!) Reading the book, and your mention about how helpful magnesium has been had me thinking about the importance of absorbable minerals in our diet.

I guess to mention, I've discovered something exciting for me. As long as I can remember I've experienced painful gum inflammation off and on. I had the problem since childhood. Never could figure out what was behind it. As can be imagined, when it happened, and my dentist saw bleeding swollen gums, he would become overly concerned, wanting me to take this and that, with warnings of gum operations if I didn't brush more. I didn't know what to do! Brushing and flossing didn't help prevent this!

I think I once and for all figured out what was causing the severe gum inflammation. It's pork that causes it. The confusion for me comes in in that it takes a week or two of pork eating for the painful inflammation to take hold. That and the allergy didn't show up in testing. So the likely pork allergy find has me in a good mood. Time will tell, but after close to 3 weeks, the gums are great and gut is well. Energy levels could be better though!

Fingers crossed our improved health continues.
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lisaw wrote:Tex:

I'm so glad you have figured this out, and are doing better! I find it scary that we always have to figure so much out ourselves, and I am nowhere near as good at understanding a lot of this as many of you. Is the magnesium test the RBC test? Speaking of magnesium, Theresa had mentioned magtein (mag l-threonate) in another post as being very helpful, and I'm wondering about the difference between that type, and other types of magnesium. Is it easier on our GI tract than other forms? Currently, I only use magnesium oil, as I can't handle it orally

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Since they didn't specify otherwise, I have to assume that they used the simple serum test for magnesium. So that's why I say if it showed a deficiency, then I was seriously low.

I don't know enough about the magnesium threonate to know if it might be a good choice at the high rates that I would need, especially since it supposedly affects the brain. My brain is probably already a disaster area, so I hate to risk additional damage. :lol:

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Lesley wrote:Glad you are better Tex. I cannot take Bactrim. I have had an ongoing UTI (not magnesium related because the bacteria are definitely from the rectum - splashback?). I immediately got big time D, total water. Couldn't get off the toilet for 2 days and nights. I had to change the abx to Cipro.
However, the infection didn't go away, and today my doc is wondering if my bladder is colonized. We'll see.
Meantime the flare is only just coming under control after weeks of eating minimal foods.
That's a heck of a note. I hope your doc gets it figured out pretty soon. :roll:

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Deb wrote:I admire your ability to figure out the answers on your own.
And it only took me a little over 9 years to do it. :lol:

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Blueberry wrote:I hope the kidney stones are behind you too.
Kidney stones are another symptom of magnesium deficiency, believe it or not. :shock:

That's mighty interesting about the pork connection to gum inflammation. I hope your success continues.

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Tex,

I'm happy to hear that you are making progress with your health issues! Just wanted to say that it is not surprising that the magnesium was not addressed in the E.R. Usually only acute, life-threatening problems are taken care of in the E.R......the chronic ones are referred back to the PCP for further evaluation and treatment. Of course, they should have informed you of the low magnesium level and urged you to see your regular doc ASAP for further followup.

Leslie,

UGH.....you reminded me that I can't tolerate Bactrim at all. I recall literally sitting on the toilet for most of 2 days and nights after taking 2 doses. Hope you are feeling better soon.

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Deb,
Not sure of your morning routine etc.
I spray my legs, belly, arms and neck as I get out of bed, it only needs a few mins on the skin to be absorbed. After coffee etc I have a shower. This minimises flaky skin issues.

Night time I do same areas. This amount of sprays across these areas is giving me about 500mg elemental mag per day.

Anytime I have a headache/sore neck I use it a few times a day in this area.
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tex wrote:Hi All,


With each surgery, my breathing problem became progressively worse. Apparently anesthesia depletes magnesium or interferes with its absorption. Whenever I would complain to a doctor that I was having breathing problems they would listen to my lungs and airways and conclude that nothing was wrong. Magnesium deficiency can mimic asthma (without the wheezing), but obviously this condition cannot be detected by a stethoscope.

I've ordered some magnesium oil, because the extra 400 mg of magnesium glycinate causes a slight amount of D during the night. The big question of course is, "Why am I having so much trouble absorbing/retaining magnesium? But its awesome to be able to breathe normally again, all day and all night long. Life is good again.

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I think you are right as to anesthesia depletes the magnesium in our bodies, but it also inactivates cobalamin B12.

You said in some other post the other day that magnesium is mostly absorbed in the colon. Since you have no colon, maybe that's why you are having trouble absorbing magnesium?

I'm glad you found out what was wrong with your breathing.

Lilia

PS: Yesterday I met an old friend I hadn't seen for 30 years. I remember especially all the trouble he always had with kidney stones back then, so he went several times to the hospital to have them removed. I asked him how was the kidney stone problem now. "Since I started with magnesium supplements five years ago, I don't have kidney stones anymore"...
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Gabes-Apg wrote: the current health system is not pro-active about testing and monitoring nutrient/mineral deficiencies.
in the case of magnesium, sadly there is no easy test to gauge accurate levels.
Albeit, from what we have learnt this past 12 months if you have an IBD, there is a high probability you are deficient and this deficiency is linked to multiple symptoms/issues.

Keep in mind that Magnesium is also essential for clearing toxins, heavy metals etc. If you have had inflammation in the gut/leaky gut, again there is a high probability that you will have excess toxins/heavy metals in your body. Clearing these and fixing magnesium deficiency will take 12 months or more depending on how long you have had inflammation/health issues
I have been on high doses for almost 12 months. It took over 6 months of high doses to see improvements.

I have been taking high doses for 6 months of molybdenum, Vit E, Vit C, Zinc to clear the toxins/heavy metals
Magnesium alone can not do this, but it is an essential element of the process.
How do you know how much to take of each, Gabes? I know there are general recommendations out there for vitamins, minerals, etc. but I don't think the recommendations apply to people with MC, do they? I think our bodies don't absorb as much AND we need a higher amount to decrease inflammation.
Have you ever considered writing a book, Gabes? You are so extremely knowledgable, have done so much research. I will be the first one to buy your book about MC-specific deficiencies, how to clear toxins/heavy metals when having leaky gut issues, and how to reach wellness with supplements. :grin:

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Lilia wrote:You said in some other post the other day that magnesium is mostly absorbed in the colon. Since you have no colon, maybe that's why you are having trouble absorbing magnesium?
Actually, I pointed out that it is absorbed primarily in the ileum and the colon. But yes, that was my point — not only is my colon gone, but so is part of my terminal ileum, and a lot of important items are absorbed in the terminal ileum.

Yes, kidney stones are a symptom of magnesium deficiency. When I had the problem with kidney stones last fall, no one suggested that I might have a magnesium deficiency. Neither the ER docs nor my own PCP ever mentioned that I might need magnesium. Magnesium deficiency is simply absent from their radar. Magnesium deficiency is a medical zebra.

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I've run out of Magtein*, waiting for my next batch to arrive from a UK online store. In the meantime, I've taken 1 ts of Epsom-salt orally daily. I don't know if it is efficient at all, or if it can be directly harmful, but I don't want to lose momentum.

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*) Does anyone know if Magtein is just a very potent form of magnesium, or is it quite a new product mainly aiming at cognitive enhancement, as in preventing Alzheimer's disease?
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Lilja wrote:Does anyone know if Magtein is just a very potent form of magnesium, or is it quite a new product mainly aiming at cognitive enhancement, as in preventing Alzheimer's disease?
I think it's both, a very absorbable form of magnesium that is also good for brain health.
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Thank you, Theresa :-)
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Glad to hear you are doing so much better Tex! What a huge concern indeed.
An eye opener to our bodies huh? Love reading your in depth writings, I always see a light at the end of the tunnel when I read them. Crazy how magnesium does so much.

Glad to hear you are feeling well too Gabes :-)
I am always interested in what the Magnesium and Zinc can do for us...apparently it reaches far and wide in our health, and some of us need more of it forever. Really enjoyed reading about the Zinc-copper situation that can develop with in us too.

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Patricia
most of what i have learnt/do about clearing toxins/methylation was based on information available free on the net.
(I did purchase the book magnesium miracle and shared some of the content on this web site)

I was doing most of the toxin clearing supps before i got my dna results/methylation reports

I take:
300mcg molybdenum
1200ie Vit E (soy free)
125 mg P5P
800mg-1200mg elemental magnesium
2000mg Vit C
Zinc (dosage reliant on zinc/copper blood test)

(i also take other supps)

I get the molybdenum, Vit E from iHerb. I get the zinc and P5P from a compounder so I can get the high dose in one capsule
I started them one at a time, low dose and worked up gradually to full dose.
when clearing toxins/metals there will be a change in BM's. ie there will be more of them, texture may be more loose.
its part of the process.

a piece of information that came from my naturopath friend from a recent seminar she went to. People with multiple AI issues or a chronic AI issues, it can take 3-5 years to fully heal from all the inflammation and toxins. which reiterates that to fix deficiencies, clear toxins, and optimise cell health takes time...
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