As tex mentions For various reasons, majority seem to do quite well on lamb Turkey...
For those that react to chicken egg, some can tolerate duck egg.
I know that lesley did ok with soy free chicken... (Till then she reacted badly to general chicken)
I tolerate game meats very well. Duck, quail, venison. Maybe because these animals have not been as genetically modified as mainstream chicken, beef etc, and are not feed as much GMO based foods filled with soy.
I have similar intolerances to you.. It may seem a bit overwhelming at first, but once you get your staples sorted, you can still have a fantastic eating plan..... I do cook ups of stews/soup on the weekends which makes life easier during the working week.
Hang in there, take it a meal at a time, make gradual changes and over time once it is part of the routine life is way easier... Rome was not built in a day...
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louis
Tex, could you help me answering a question that is bothering me for a while.
I now know, what food from the Enterolab Test causes antibody production for me, but in the topic about mast cell issues you also wrote about the 2 factors DAO/histamine and NSIAD/Salicylate Acid.
I know that i was tested for low DAO levels before a few years when i had chronic hives. Is this a indicator, that i have problems with histamine? Is it possible my DAO levels got back to normal or is it permanent?
And i know i react strongly to NSIAD as Ibuprofen and Trimetoprima/sulfametoxazol. Does this mean i should have an eye for low salicylate food?
Im really wondering because the "good" food like for example sweed potatos, coconut oil, broccolie, cucumber, spinach etc are high in salicylate acid and/or histamine. I know i dont have an immediatly reaction to them, but as you described, it could add up.
So if you say, it might be a good idea to limit the amount of these foods, and with the knowledge on what i reacted to at Enterolab, what would be left for me to eat, if i want to heal my inflammatory psoraisis condition?
Maybe: Bananas, Carrots, Celery, Apples, Lamb and Turkey? Would it be fine to eat like 10 Bananas a day then? I would really need the carbohydrates and energy.
But even tho, just wanted to say my psoriasis actually already got a bit better. I think its because i cut out diary again, and also beef and soy + we got the first sunshine in germany this year. I still trying to figure out the whole bigger picture to understand my body.
I now know, what food from the Enterolab Test causes antibody production for me, but in the topic about mast cell issues you also wrote about the 2 factors DAO/histamine and NSIAD/Salicylate Acid.
I know that i was tested for low DAO levels before a few years when i had chronic hives. Is this a indicator, that i have problems with histamine? Is it possible my DAO levels got back to normal or is it permanent?
And i know i react strongly to NSIAD as Ibuprofen and Trimetoprima/sulfametoxazol. Does this mean i should have an eye for low salicylate food?
Im really wondering because the "good" food like for example sweed potatos, coconut oil, broccolie, cucumber, spinach etc are high in salicylate acid and/or histamine. I know i dont have an immediatly reaction to them, but as you described, it could add up.
So if you say, it might be a good idea to limit the amount of these foods, and with the knowledge on what i reacted to at Enterolab, what would be left for me to eat, if i want to heal my inflammatory psoraisis condition?
Maybe: Bananas, Carrots, Celery, Apples, Lamb and Turkey? Would it be fine to eat like 10 Bananas a day then? I would really need the carbohydrates and energy.
But even tho, just wanted to say my psoriasis actually already got a bit better. I think its because i cut out diary again, and also beef and soy + we got the first sunshine in germany this year. I still trying to figure out the whole bigger picture to understand my body.
Hi Louis,
Remember that I am not a dietitian, so I can only go by my own experiences and the experiences of other members posted here on the discussion board, plus my interpretation of various medical research articles.
The IBDs (including MC) tend to deplete DAO. One of the functions of DAO is to purge the body of leftover (unused) histamine. Therefore, if DAO is at an insufficient level, histamine can build up to levels that can cause problems. Low DAO doesn't guarantee histamine problems, but it certainly makes it possible/likely.
As our intestines heal, the ability of our small intestine to produce normal (or near normal) amounts of most enzymes should slowly return. Therefore your ability to produce normal (or near normal) amounts of DAO enzyme should eventually return. Please be aware that it typically takes from 2 to 5 years for the gut to fully heal, in the case of adults. Kids can heal in a year or less.
For example, you might be ahead using corn oil or ghee (assuming that you can tolerate ghee or corn), instead of coconut oil or olive oil.
It's impossible to totally avoid all foods that contain histamines or salicylates. We just have to do our best to limit the worst offenders in our diet. Taking an antihistamine might help to limit histamine levels when eating larger amounts of foods that contain a moderate amount of histamine. Of course it's always best to minimize the amounts of foods that contain high levels of histamine.
Tex
Remember that I am not a dietitian, so I can only go by my own experiences and the experiences of other members posted here on the discussion board, plus my interpretation of various medical research articles.
The IBDs (including MC) tend to deplete DAO. One of the functions of DAO is to purge the body of leftover (unused) histamine. Therefore, if DAO is at an insufficient level, histamine can build up to levels that can cause problems. Low DAO doesn't guarantee histamine problems, but it certainly makes it possible/likely.
As our intestines heal, the ability of our small intestine to produce normal (or near normal) amounts of most enzymes should slowly return. Therefore your ability to produce normal (or near normal) amounts of DAO enzyme should eventually return. Please be aware that it typically takes from 2 to 5 years for the gut to fully heal, in the case of adults. Kids can heal in a year or less.
There is a good chance that too many foods known to be high in salicylates might cause problems for you. I have a hunch that this effect might be similar to the way that histamine affects us, IOW if the amount in our diet exceeds our tolerance limit, then we would have problems. Probably as long as we do not exceed our tolerance threshold we may be OK. Of course it's difficult to pinpoint our tolerance limit.Louis wrote:And i know i react strongly to NSIAD as Ibuprofen and Trimetoprima/sulfametoxazol. Does this mean i should have an eye for low salicylate food?
For example, you might be ahead using corn oil or ghee (assuming that you can tolerate ghee or corn), instead of coconut oil or olive oil.
Remember that bananas that are barely ripe typically contain a relatively low to moderate amount of histamine. As they continue to ripen, the histamine level goes way up with each passing day. 10 per day might amount to a massive dose of histamine. At some times of the year I have histamine problems if I eat more than 1, but the effect seems to be seasonal. During pollen season, I have to be more careful about eating bananas, because they are more likely to cause problems.Louis wrote:Would it be fine to eat like 10 Bananas a day then?
It's impossible to totally avoid all foods that contain histamines or salicylates. We just have to do our best to limit the worst offenders in our diet. Taking an antihistamine might help to limit histamine levels when eating larger amounts of foods that contain a moderate amount of histamine. Of course it's always best to minimize the amounts of foods that contain high levels of histamine.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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louis
Okay, thanks for the answer. Guess i will have to just wait and see, maybe avoid the food with high levels of salycid acid. I think histamine might not be a big issue for me.
I know you are not a dietitian, but in regards to MC, dietitians have zero clues. If i asked any, they wouldnt even suggest going off gluten, diary or eggs.
I know you are not a dietitian, but in regards to MC, dietitians have zero clues. If i asked any, they wouldnt even suggest going off gluten, diary or eggs.
Hi Louis,
I just went to an Integrative Medical Practice. They believe that for people whose bodies are inflamed and highly reactive, food sensitivity test can be far less helpful. They prefer a strict elimination diet. Gluten is very harmful to many of us. I recommend that you place a strong focus on learning what it really means to be gluten free. My first attempts at a gluten free diet were a good starting point but I was not gluten free. For example, I would remove meat, lettuce, and tomatoes from a sandwich and eat it. I would never do that now. I had also found a wonderful bread that had "trace" gluten from being made in a facility that also had flour. When I eliminated the bread, I experienced more improvement.
Eating in a restaurant is a risk. Did they chop your lettuce on the same board where bread was sliced? Was your food drained in the same colander used for wheat pasta? Is your steak cooked on a grill that just cooked a grilled cheese sandwich, eggs, homefries tossed in soybean oil? Cooking at home is good. I found one place outside of my home to eat on occasion. This allows me to be in a restaurant but I eat the same food every time and it's not very appealing. I can say that ANYTHING is better than how I felt when I started this journey. Change what is in your kitchen and start cooking. The change is a journey. Start by stabilizing your health.
gluten is very harmful to many of us. I found that time spent learning what it means to be truly gluten free was time well spent.
I don't think biological turkey is important. Just be sure it doesn't contain wheat or soy.
I just went to an Integrative Medical Practice. They believe that for people whose bodies are inflamed and highly reactive, food sensitivity test can be far less helpful. They prefer a strict elimination diet. Gluten is very harmful to many of us. I recommend that you place a strong focus on learning what it really means to be gluten free. My first attempts at a gluten free diet were a good starting point but I was not gluten free. For example, I would remove meat, lettuce, and tomatoes from a sandwich and eat it. I would never do that now. I had also found a wonderful bread that had "trace" gluten from being made in a facility that also had flour. When I eliminated the bread, I experienced more improvement.
Eating in a restaurant is a risk. Did they chop your lettuce on the same board where bread was sliced? Was your food drained in the same colander used for wheat pasta? Is your steak cooked on a grill that just cooked a grilled cheese sandwich, eggs, homefries tossed in soybean oil? Cooking at home is good. I found one place outside of my home to eat on occasion. This allows me to be in a restaurant but I eat the same food every time and it's not very appealing. I can say that ANYTHING is better than how I felt when I started this journey. Change what is in your kitchen and start cooking. The change is a journey. Start by stabilizing your health.
gluten is very harmful to many of us. I found that time spent learning what it means to be truly gluten free was time well spent.
I don't think biological turkey is important. Just be sure it doesn't contain wheat or soy.