BRAND NEW TO CC - Questions galore!!
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Breakfast Suggestions, Anyone?
Yes, you can Enjoy your Dance, Tex! (ha ha). I'm eating Gluten-Free Bread and cereal now, and just bought gluten-free pasta to try soon. I'll even try the Cream of RICE tomorrow for breakfast. So, dance away, my friend!
BREAKFAST: What kind of sausage or egg substitutes are safe to eat? Any? I would like a better morning choice of Protein than just cereals. Is French Toast on Gluten Free bread possible? Can it be cooked in an egg substitute that anyone knows about? Are their GF Rice Pancake mixes available? C'mon, folks, I have to gain weight! Can't afford Not to.
Thanks, All and Enjoy your Weekend!
TREESE
BREAKFAST: What kind of sausage or egg substitutes are safe to eat? Any? I would like a better morning choice of Protein than just cereals. Is French Toast on Gluten Free bread possible? Can it be cooked in an egg substitute that anyone knows about? Are their GF Rice Pancake mixes available? C'mon, folks, I have to gain weight! Can't afford Not to.
Thanks, All and Enjoy your Weekend!
TREESE
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 2015.
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
WHAT'S A ROTATION DIET?
QUESTION .... yes, again! What is a Rotation Diet? Why is it used? How dos one gauge whether or not it is effective for that person?
I looked through the Diet Forum, but didn't see anything posted there on it. But I'm not too good at searching yet, so it could just be me.
Thanks, All!!
TREESE
I looked through the Diet Forum, but didn't see anything posted there on it. But I'm not too good at searching yet, so it could just be me.
Thanks, All!!
TREESE
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 2015.
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Hi Treese,
The rotation diet comes up in discussions somewhat regularly. Basically it amounts to eating any particular food 1 day (in all meals if desired) and then skipping at least 2 days before eating that food again. That's called a 3-day rotation diet. Here's why some people believe it should work:
The immune system will react to antibodies to a particular food if the total existing antibody level exceeds a certain tolerance threshold. As long as the antibody level remains below that threshold, there will be no reaction (at least not one sufficient to result in clinical symptoms). If the tolerance threshold is exceeded however, a reaction is triggered. The basis of the rotation diet theory is that by skipping 2 days, the immune system will never be able to build up an antibody level that exceeds the tolerance threshold, and therefore no reaction will be triggered. The hitch in this plan is that we all have different threshold levels, and it's possible that those threshold levels may possibly vary depending upon our stage in the healing process.
For some of us, the mathematics involved may foil our plan. That means that the rotation diet may only work for some of us (or for certain foods) for a limited amount of time, because of the mathematics involved. The length of time for which it will work depends upon the rate at which an individual's immune system produces antibodies to that particular food. IOW, the life cycle for which the diet will be effective depends on the sensitivity level of that individual to that particular food. Here's why:
The half-life of antibodies to most common allergenic food proteins is approximately 6 days. Gluten (anti-gliadin antibodies) is an exception, because anti-gliadin IgA antibodies have a half-life of approximately 120 days, making the antibody level for gluten relatively persistent, by comparison with other food sensitivities. That implies that it is impossible (on a practical level) to design a rotation diet that would allow gluten to be included.
But for other foods, a 6-day half-life means that in 3 days the antibody level for a given food sensitivity will be approximately half of what it was initially. So if we eat the food again on the 3rd day, then the newly-generated antibodies will be added to the existing supply (which is now at 50 % of the level on the 1st day), to result in a total antibody level of 150 % of the initial level. After 3 more days, if the food is eaten again, then the beginning antibody level is 75 % of the initial level (from day 1) and the level at the end of the day (day 6) will be 175 % of the initial level. After 9 days the antibody level will be 187.5 % of the initial level, and after 12 days, the antibody level will be at 193.75 % of the initial level. After 15 days, the antibody level will be 196.875 % of the initial level.
If we continue this process, it becomes clear that the antibody level will slowly but surely approach 200 % of the initial level. That suggests that if one's sensitivity to a food is low enough that the total daily antibody production level is below half the threshold level at which a reaction is triggered, then the threshold at which a reaction is triggered will never be reached. Conversely, if the daily antibody production level exceeds half the level at which a reaction is triggered, then eventually the total antibody level will exceed the reaction threshold limit, and a reaction will be triggered.
The problem is that there is no way to measure or predict exactly what one's daily antibody production level might be for any particular food sensitivity. So suffice to say, some of us will be able to successfully use a rotation diet for certain foods (to which we show a slight reaction potential), while others will not be able to use a rotation diet successfully, because they produce too many antibodies from each exposure event.
So if one's sensitivity level to a particular food is very low, then the rotation diet should allow one to continue to include that food in a rotation diet for a relatively long period of time (possibly forever). The higher one's sensitivity level happens to be however, the shorter the amount of time needed before the reaction threshold will be exceeded, and a reaction will be triggered.
Looking at the math, it appears to me that if a rotation diet works successfully for 2 or 3 weeks, then unless one's sensitivity rate changes, there's a good chance that it might continue to work indefinitely.
I hope this doesn't just confuse the issue.
Tex
The rotation diet comes up in discussions somewhat regularly. Basically it amounts to eating any particular food 1 day (in all meals if desired) and then skipping at least 2 days before eating that food again. That's called a 3-day rotation diet. Here's why some people believe it should work:
The immune system will react to antibodies to a particular food if the total existing antibody level exceeds a certain tolerance threshold. As long as the antibody level remains below that threshold, there will be no reaction (at least not one sufficient to result in clinical symptoms). If the tolerance threshold is exceeded however, a reaction is triggered. The basis of the rotation diet theory is that by skipping 2 days, the immune system will never be able to build up an antibody level that exceeds the tolerance threshold, and therefore no reaction will be triggered. The hitch in this plan is that we all have different threshold levels, and it's possible that those threshold levels may possibly vary depending upon our stage in the healing process.
For some of us, the mathematics involved may foil our plan. That means that the rotation diet may only work for some of us (or for certain foods) for a limited amount of time, because of the mathematics involved. The length of time for which it will work depends upon the rate at which an individual's immune system produces antibodies to that particular food. IOW, the life cycle for which the diet will be effective depends on the sensitivity level of that individual to that particular food. Here's why:
The half-life of antibodies to most common allergenic food proteins is approximately 6 days. Gluten (anti-gliadin antibodies) is an exception, because anti-gliadin IgA antibodies have a half-life of approximately 120 days, making the antibody level for gluten relatively persistent, by comparison with other food sensitivities. That implies that it is impossible (on a practical level) to design a rotation diet that would allow gluten to be included.
But for other foods, a 6-day half-life means that in 3 days the antibody level for a given food sensitivity will be approximately half of what it was initially. So if we eat the food again on the 3rd day, then the newly-generated antibodies will be added to the existing supply (which is now at 50 % of the level on the 1st day), to result in a total antibody level of 150 % of the initial level. After 3 more days, if the food is eaten again, then the beginning antibody level is 75 % of the initial level (from day 1) and the level at the end of the day (day 6) will be 175 % of the initial level. After 9 days the antibody level will be 187.5 % of the initial level, and after 12 days, the antibody level will be at 193.75 % of the initial level. After 15 days, the antibody level will be 196.875 % of the initial level.
If we continue this process, it becomes clear that the antibody level will slowly but surely approach 200 % of the initial level. That suggests that if one's sensitivity to a food is low enough that the total daily antibody production level is below half the threshold level at which a reaction is triggered, then the threshold at which a reaction is triggered will never be reached. Conversely, if the daily antibody production level exceeds half the level at which a reaction is triggered, then eventually the total antibody level will exceed the reaction threshold limit, and a reaction will be triggered.
The problem is that there is no way to measure or predict exactly what one's daily antibody production level might be for any particular food sensitivity. So suffice to say, some of us will be able to successfully use a rotation diet for certain foods (to which we show a slight reaction potential), while others will not be able to use a rotation diet successfully, because they produce too many antibodies from each exposure event.
So if one's sensitivity level to a particular food is very low, then the rotation diet should allow one to continue to include that food in a rotation diet for a relatively long period of time (possibly forever). The higher one's sensitivity level happens to be however, the shorter the amount of time needed before the reaction threshold will be exceeded, and a reaction will be triggered.
Looking at the math, it appears to me that if a rotation diet works successfully for 2 or 3 weeks, then unless one's sensitivity rate changes, there's a good chance that it might continue to work indefinitely.
I hope this doesn't just confuse the issue.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
A SAFE OIL OR SPRAY TO COOK WITH - Rotation Diet Thanks!!
First - A Big NY Thanks to Tex for again making a Very clear explanation understandable for my thick Italian head! I understand the principles of the Rotation Diet much better, now.
Second - Are sprays such as PAM safe for minimal frying of a turkey burger patty, let's say? Is it better to use Olive Oil to coat the pan? Or any other product?
TREESE
Second - Are sprays such as PAM safe for minimal frying of a turkey burger patty, let's say? Is it better to use Olive Oil to coat the pan? Or any other product?
TREESE
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 2015.
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Most of your sprays have soy in them, and if you have sensitivities to soy, you shouldn't use them. I found that out with the olive oil spray I had been using. I use coconut oil for everything now. Recommended on here. It works like a charm.
Jari
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Treese,
"iagree: with what Jari said. And I would also point out that about once each year or so, some investigative agency will publish a study showing widespread adulteration of imported olive oil with cheap vegetable oil (vegetable oil is usually soy oil).
I also prefer coconut oil. Use refined coconut oil though, because unrefined coconut oil has a significantly lower smoke point, and it will impart a coconut flavor and odor to anything fried in it.
You're most welcome,
Tex
"iagree: with what Jari said. And I would also point out that about once each year or so, some investigative agency will publish a study showing widespread adulteration of imported olive oil with cheap vegetable oil (vegetable oil is usually soy oil).
I also prefer coconut oil. Use refined coconut oil though, because unrefined coconut oil has a significantly lower smoke point, and it will impart a coconut flavor and odor to anything fried in it.
You're most welcome,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
REFINED COCONUT OIL
Thanks, Jari and Tex for the Tips on the Refined Coconut Oil.
Before I read your replies though, I had just finished using a small amount of Olive Oil to lightly fry Turkey meat, just as an experiment, and Wow; the Oil is so Not agreeing with me...and I used a Very small amount!
Next time, Coconut Oil, refined. Is it in a Spray form or a Bottle or Jar that is Best to use? Any Brands better than any others?
Thanks again!
TREESE
Before I read your replies though, I had just finished using a small amount of Olive Oil to lightly fry Turkey meat, just as an experiment, and Wow; the Oil is so Not agreeing with me...and I used a Very small amount!
Next time, Coconut Oil, refined. Is it in a Spray form or a Bottle or Jar that is Best to use? Any Brands better than any others?
Thanks again!
TREESE
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 2015.
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Treese,
The only brand of refined coconut oil I have ever encountered in the grocery stores in these 1-horse towns around here is Lou Ana, and it comes in a while plastic "jar". It's usually congealed (a solid) at room temp, and I use it liberally, as one would use lard, or "Crisco". It's a healthy fat, so it doesn't have to be used sparingly (except for the cost consideration, of course).
Tex
The only brand of refined coconut oil I have ever encountered in the grocery stores in these 1-horse towns around here is Lou Ana, and it comes in a while plastic "jar". It's usually congealed (a solid) at room temp, and I use it liberally, as one would use lard, or "Crisco". It's a healthy fat, so it doesn't have to be used sparingly (except for the cost consideration, of course).
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
On The Topic of Oils - Any safe Margerines or Jellys?
Speaking of Coconut Oil, how about with regard to Margerines or Butter, and even Jelly's? I use Smart Balance Dairy Free, BUT, I can't really see the Ingredients. They're written microscopically and they blend in with the Label Color.
Are there Safe Alternatives for Margerine and Butter?
How about in place of un-safe Jelly's...any SAFE Jelly's or Honey's to go on Toasted Gluten-Free Bread?
Syrups? Maple Syrup or Other?
Still looking for Safe Calories to add to my bland diet. I don't use tons of it. Just a little would suffice. Thoughts???
Thanks,
TREESE
Are there Safe Alternatives for Margerine and Butter?
How about in place of un-safe Jelly's...any SAFE Jelly's or Honey's to go on Toasted Gluten-Free Bread?
Syrups? Maple Syrup or Other?
Still looking for Safe Calories to add to my bland diet. I don't use tons of it. Just a little would suffice. Thoughts???
Thanks,
TREESE
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 2015.
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Many members use Smart Balance margarine. Look for Kosher pareve labeling in some cases. Pareve means that a product contains no meat, and most importantly, it contains no dairy of any kind.
Some members use ghee (clarified butter), but a few of us cannot tolerate it.
Smucker's makes jellys and jams that are 100 % fruit (IOW, no added ingredients). They're usually safe, if you don't eat to much and get too much sugar and/or fiber.
Many/most of us can tolerate pure maple syrup. Most of the syrups contain a multitude of undesirable ingredients.
Potato chips, and if you can tolerate them, corn chips or tortilla chips, are very high-calorie shacks. Undiluted, pure coconut milk (canned) is a very high calorie liquid.
Tex
Some members use ghee (clarified butter), but a few of us cannot tolerate it.
Smucker's makes jellys and jams that are 100 % fruit (IOW, no added ingredients). They're usually safe, if you don't eat to much and get too much sugar and/or fiber.
Many/most of us can tolerate pure maple syrup. Most of the syrups contain a multitude of undesirable ingredients.
Potato chips, and if you can tolerate them, corn chips or tortilla chips, are very high-calorie shacks. Undiluted, pure coconut milk (canned) is a very high calorie liquid.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Speaking of potato chips, I found some that are only coconut oil, potatoes, and sea salt, and I did ok with them................but my tummy didn't really like the Boulder ones that were just olive oil, potatoes, and sea salt.
The ones I tried were these: http://www.honestchips.com/
And I see where Boulder makes a coconut oil one: http://www.bouldercanyonfoods.com/produ ... ttle-chips
I was looking for something I could eat to take along on a day trip or when I have to pack some turkey. I don't have very many options and even fewer if there's no microwave.
The ones I tried were these: http://www.honestchips.com/
And I see where Boulder makes a coconut oil one: http://www.bouldercanyonfoods.com/produ ... ttle-chips
I was looking for something I could eat to take along on a day trip or when I have to pack some turkey. I don't have very many options and even fewer if there's no microwave.
Jari
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Pure Maple Syrup, Smuckers, and More!!
TEX and JARI - Great Tips, Thank you, Both! Pure Maple Syrup sounds really good! Smuckers 100% Jelly's, too! Smart Balance and Kosher Margerines...All Now On My Next Shopping List!
And, Potato Chips made with Coconut Oil...hmmm!! Could be interesting! I put the two Sites in my Favorites from your Links, Jari, thanks! I'll get a few more pounds on me, for sure! (still down to 92lbs...sigh! At 5 feet 6", that's kinda puny).
Thank You All - Bless You!!
TREESE
And, Potato Chips made with Coconut Oil...hmmm!! Could be interesting! I put the two Sites in my Favorites from your Links, Jari, thanks! I'll get a few more pounds on me, for sure! (still down to 92lbs...sigh! At 5 feet 6", that's kinda puny).
Thank You All - Bless You!!
TREESE
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 2015.
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
HOW DO I SEARCH FOR ANSWERS USING KEYWORDS?
Hi, All - I was hoping to learn how to find Answers to Questions I have, that others have already answered on the Forum somewhere, but I don't know how to look stuff up or search for it. Is there a way using the Keyword Search or something? How does it work? I tried entering a keyword, but I was then asked What Category or Forum to Search in. I used the drop-down box to select, but it brought me back to the same screen. So, I skipped the drop down box and again, same screen.
Once I have read the Topics of the first page of every different forum, I usually see like 10 more pages follow. So, rather than having to search through 10 pages for a Subject connected to my question, having a keyword search to use would really be a help and save a lot of time! It would also keep me from asking the same questions that others have already answered in other places on the forum in the past.
Can Anyone Help? Thank You!
TREESE
Once I have read the Topics of the first page of every different forum, I usually see like 10 more pages follow. So, rather than having to search through 10 pages for a Subject connected to my question, having a keyword search to use would really be a help and save a lot of time! It would also keep me from asking the same questions that others have already answered in other places on the forum in the past.
Can Anyone Help? Thank You!
TREESE
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 2015.
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Diagnosed Dec 2020 with Celiac Disease during 1st Flare up.
Spine Surgery 2010. Chronic Pain. FAITH!!
Treese,
When I do a search of the archives, I usually enter more than a single key word if possible, and click on the "Search for all terms" box in order to narrow down the number of hits. If I'm looking for posts written by someone in particular, then I enter that individual's username in the "Search for Author:" window. Otherwise I just leave it blank. You don't have to enter anything in any of the other windows (forums, categories, etc.). I always just leave them the way they are, and the system will search all forums, categories, posts, etc.
Tex
When I do a search of the archives, I usually enter more than a single key word if possible, and click on the "Search for all terms" box in order to narrow down the number of hits. If I'm looking for posts written by someone in particular, then I enter that individual's username in the "Search for Author:" window. Otherwise I just leave it blank. You don't have to enter anything in any of the other windows (forums, categories, etc.). I always just leave them the way they are, and the system will search all forums, categories, posts, etc.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Treese,
Yes I did the Enterolab tests the A1 & C1, very helpful indeed. I also had a blood workup that is useful but I only refer on occasion to see how high my body antigens were at that point in time without going on the elimination diet. I don't refer to it much anymore, I use the Enterolab results at this time.
My blood work up showed I had no antigens to Real Maple syrup so that is why I have chosen it as a possible sweetener for other MCers.
I have up an down days with energy, I'm careful not to over do because I may as well plan on sleeping longer that night, I get alittle caffeine in my Mountain Dew soda, I have a small one at times. I know too much sugar is not good for us in the initial healing phase so I am trying my best to watch what I am eating or drinking right now. I don't want to lose anymore weight either, I'm 5' 9" and used to weight 145 and now I am 136 with a very low Body Mass Index right now.
I use Earth Balance Coconut butter, or Earth Balance Soy free butter, they are in square containers. I seem to get along fine with them. For a spray I use a Coconut Oil spray it is in a white with red letter canister and I also use a Smart Balance soy free spray in a Green and yellowish/white canister. They are the only two I have found at this time with no Soy in them.
I don't know if anyone likes Hot Tamale Red cinnamon candy but I read the label on them and find they don't bother me so that is another small treat that I have a few pieces in the afternoon at work.
If weather or my hormones don't get in my way, I do pretty good on my basic diet at the moment. Lately I have dealt with a mild migraine type headache for about 5-6 days in a row, took my Imatrex for it which kept it at bay but who knows why it held on like it has. Hate taking pain med, but also don't like to feel so debilitated either.
You have gotten some really great advice, I hope you are able to put together a small menu that works for you real soon.
Yes I did the Enterolab tests the A1 & C1, very helpful indeed. I also had a blood workup that is useful but I only refer on occasion to see how high my body antigens were at that point in time without going on the elimination diet. I don't refer to it much anymore, I use the Enterolab results at this time.
My blood work up showed I had no antigens to Real Maple syrup so that is why I have chosen it as a possible sweetener for other MCers.
I have up an down days with energy, I'm careful not to over do because I may as well plan on sleeping longer that night, I get alittle caffeine in my Mountain Dew soda, I have a small one at times. I know too much sugar is not good for us in the initial healing phase so I am trying my best to watch what I am eating or drinking right now. I don't want to lose anymore weight either, I'm 5' 9" and used to weight 145 and now I am 136 with a very low Body Mass Index right now.
I use Earth Balance Coconut butter, or Earth Balance Soy free butter, they are in square containers. I seem to get along fine with them. For a spray I use a Coconut Oil spray it is in a white with red letter canister and I also use a Smart Balance soy free spray in a Green and yellowish/white canister. They are the only two I have found at this time with no Soy in them.
I don't know if anyone likes Hot Tamale Red cinnamon candy but I read the label on them and find they don't bother me so that is another small treat that I have a few pieces in the afternoon at work.
If weather or my hormones don't get in my way, I do pretty good on my basic diet at the moment. Lately I have dealt with a mild migraine type headache for about 5-6 days in a row, took my Imatrex for it which kept it at bay but who knows why it held on like it has. Hate taking pain med, but also don't like to feel so debilitated either.
You have gotten some really great advice, I hope you are able to put together a small menu that works for you real soon.
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007