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Here come the blood pressure drugs!

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My blood pressure has been a bit higher than normal in recent years. I was getting it checked at Mayo a few years ago and it came in at 120/80. I was delighted but the nurse said that wasn't so great...they wanted it at 115/something. I asked her "why, so they can put more people on meds?" She said "probably". I was so irritated that when she checked the other arm it was 160/something. :)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html
Aggressive treatment of high blood pressure can sharply cut the risk of heart attacks, strokes and deaths in people 50 and older, according to a landmark federal study released Friday that urges doctors to bring their patients’ blood pressure well below the commonly recommended target.

The new research advises people with high blood pressure to keep their “systolic” pressure — the top number in the reading that health-care providers routinely tell patients — at 120 or below. Clinical guidelines have commonly called for systolic blood pressure of 140 for healthy adults and 130 for adults with kidney disease or diabetes.

Physicians have complained that there was no clear evidence for any specific standard on systolic blood pressure, compelling them to decide on their own how aggressive to be in treating the condition. Now there is a number, and it is significantly lower than the current targets.

“What we didn’t have until today was the proof that being more aggressive was rewarded” with lower incidence of illness and death, said Randall M. Zusman, director of the division of hypertension at the Corrigan Minehan Heart Center at Massachusetts General Hospital. He was not involved in the study.

The research, primarily sponsored by the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, showed that using medication to keep systolic blood pressure at 120 or below reduced the rate of heart attacks, strokes and heart failure by a third and the risk of death by almost 25 percent, compared with keeping it at 140. Reaching that conclusion prompted researchers to end the study early and report the results.
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Hi Deb,

I'm with you on this topic. This is an interesting topic, because despite medical claims about the advantages of systolic BP below 115 mmHg, that recommendation doesn't match very well with longevity statistics. Did you happen to see the presentation by Lesley Stahl called "Living to 90 and beyond" on 60 Minutes last year? The epidemiological evidence presented on that show directly conflicts with many of the popular medically-accepted health guidelines.

And the show had the evidence to back up their claims — plenty of healthy, happy, very old people whose BP, weight, body mass index (BMI), diet, etc., were way out of compliance with conventional recommendations. Their BP was higher, most of them were at least moderately overweight, etc. They considered the low blood pressures recommended by most doctors to be an invitation for mini-strokes, for example, rather than healthy. Their average BP was typically well above the old guideline of 140 mmHg. In fact, the evidence showed that their higher BP was correlated with a reduced Alzheimer's risk.

These people were the survivors in a retirement community for which earlier medical information was available. Apparently virtually all of the original residents there who fit conventional "accepted" health guidelines had died off years ago, so it was easy to see what worked, and what didn't.

The problem is that the medical community considers general health guidelines to be a one-size-fits-all issue. But that's obviously not correct. Most of the guidelines recommended by the medical community are suitable for young people, but they simply don't work for the older generation. This is especially true for issues such as cholesterol levels. Low cholesterol may be advantageous for younger people, but once we get past about 65, the higher our cholesterol level, the better our chances of living much longer. Obviously, when it comes to health, everyone is so different that nothing is chiseled in stone.

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To echo what has been mentioned earlier, and confusion with studies, you might enjoy Dr. Kendrick's newer book Doctoring Data, and his blog web sight also. I did. Not mentioned in the Washington Post article is if the percentage findings are absolute risk or relative risk. What you want to know is the absolute risk. Sadly, almost always reported in the press is relative risk, which can be highly misleading.

One of the points Dr. Kendrick's brings up with blood pressure is that measurements over the years are being lowered, resulting in an increase in the number of patients on blood pressure medications. He also looked into the question then does lowering it with medications do any good for patients? One of the early studies done on this found basically no benefit, at least when it came to avoiding heart disease.

I guess in my opinion if looking to avoid a heart attack, taking blood pressure medication or not, it might be best to not concentrate on blood pressure, but take consideration of other areas of health too.

"Does treating high blood pressure do any good?"

http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2012/04/02 ... -any-good/

one of the doctors write ups:
...At which point, something very strange happens. Instead of calling this ‘a raised blood pressure where no cause can be found,’ the medical profession decided to turn a clinical sign into a disease. This disease is Essential Hypertension, which literally means ‘a raised blood pressure where no cause can be found.’ But you have to admit that essential hypertension sounds rather more impressive.

Once it became a de-facto disease, it can be ‘treated.’ And so it came to pass that, over time, a whole series of drugs were developed. Some reduce the blood volume, some relax the blood vessels, some block the production of hormones designed to raise blood pressure, and others prevent the heart pumping too hard.

They come by names such as thiazide diuretics, beta-blockers, alpha-blockers, angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitors, angiotensinogen II inhibitors etc. etc. After statins, these are the most prescribed type of medications. Around the world, hundreds of millions of people take them each and every day.

This mass pharmacological assault happened before anyone had actually established that lowering blood pressure was actually beneficial. There had been a couple of short term studies on people with very high blood pressure. These did show benefit.

However, when it came to moderately raised blood pressure, there were absolutely no studies at all. Yes, you did read that right. No studies. It was not until the 1970s that anyone actually set out to answer this rather fundamental question by setting up a major study. The UK Medical Research Council (MRC) study.

Recruitment started in 1973. Seven hundred thousand people were contacted, and half a million people accepted an invitation to participate. As is the way with such things, this enormous initial number was whittled down to just under eighteen thousand people who had a diastolic blood pressure between 90 – 109, and a systolic pressure below 200.

The eagerly awaited results were released in 1985. I remember the year well, as I was at a cardiovascular conference at the time. Everyone was convinced that that there would be major benefits.

And what were the results? Well, if you get down to the most important outcome of all, which is overall mortality, there were 248 deaths in the treated group and 253in the placebo group2. Or to put this another way: 248 out of 9000 died in the treatment arm died, and 253 out of 9000 died in the placebo arm:

Overall mortality: 248/9000 = 2.75% (treatment group)

Overall mortality: 253/9000 = 2.81% (placebo)

The total difference in deaths was seven. The absolute percentage difference in deaths was 0.06% over five years. There was no difference in the death rate from heart disease.

I remember thinking at the time. ‘Blimey that should throw the cat amongst the pigeons. We are going to have to re-think this area.’ How wrong could one man be? Because the result of the MRC study was that absolutely nothing changed. There was no re-think, no fundamental review, nothing....
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Yep, the drug companies have one agenda — to sell more drugs, and most doctor seem to fall in line, because they apparently mistakenly feel that drugs are the solution to every problem, whether the problem actually exists, or not. :lol:

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