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Karen,

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mcardle3 wrote:
I don't know if any body part is better than another to apply the magnesium oil. I think other people also apply it to neck/arms etc.

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Our skin is thinner at the inside of our thighs and at the inside of our arms, and the spray is more easily absorbed in these two areas.

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I have multiple small bottles that i put the magnesium spray in.

I spray the tops of my legs each time I go to the loo...

when I wake up, I spray neck, arms, stomach, legs and then shower about 30 mins later
(as it can go a bit chalky on my skin)
when i get home from work, I do the same, spray neck, arms, stomach, legs
spray neck and top of legs before going to bed

anytime my neck/shoulders are aching, i spray them

the frequent spraying means that I am getting great daily dose of elemental magnesium
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Having a lot of trouble with that breathing thing today. My magnesium spray is due any day now. I cannot wait.

1.5 weeks gluten free and it is helping a great deal. I still have diarrhea if I don't take one daily tab of Lomotil but it is not as urgent or as often, and for that I am glad.

My doctor is mid-fight with the insurance company over the entocort. She feels she will be successful.

Taking vit D3 daily and sublingual vit b12 daily as well.

My unrelenting fatigue is starting to be a bit aggravating though.

So one step forward...that's a good thing.
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Karen,

Remember that if you start taking Entocort, you will need even more magnesium, because corticosteroids deplete magnesium.

Also, much of your fatigue is almost surely attributable to your magnesium deficiency.

I've forgotten why you are not taking oral magnesium, but if it's only because of concerns about it causing D, a small to moderate dose of magnesium glycinate is not going to cause D, and it would greatly improve your overall health, and your ability to heal, in particular. I'm talking about 100 or 200 mg per day, which would be about 1/3 to 1/2 the RDA for magnesium. Most magnesium glycinate tablets are labeled as 200 mg per dose, but a dose is 2 tablets, so there's only 100 mg of magnesium in each tablet.

That's not nearly enough magnesium supplement to correct your deficiency, but it would at least be a start, and it would lower your risk of an adverse event. Then, after you add a lot of topical magnesium, you might begin to correct your deficiency. Without at least some oral magnesium, I have some concerns about correcting a serious deficiency using only transdermal applications. It probably can be done, but it may take a long time, and a lot of coverage.

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tex wrote:Karen,

Remember that if you start taking Entocort, you will need even more magnesium, because corticosteroids deplete magnesium.

Also, much of your fatigue is almost surely attributable to your magnesium deficiency.

I've forgotten why you are not taking oral magnesium, but if it's only because of concerns about it causing D, a small to moderate dose of magnesium glycinate is not going to cause D, and it would greatly improve your overall health, and your ability to heal, in particular. I'm talking about 100 or 200 mg per day, which would be about 1/3 to 1/2 the RDA for magnesium. Most magnesium glycinate tablets are labeled as 200 mg per dose, but a dose is 2 tablets, so there's only 100 mg of magnesium in each tablet.

That's not nearly enough magnesium supplement to correct your deficiency, but it would at least be a start, and it would lower your risk of an adverse event. Then, after you add a lot of topical magnesium, you might begin to correct your deficiency. Without at least some oral magnesium, I have some concerns about correcting a serious deficiency using only transdermal applications. It probably can be done, but it may take a long time, and a lot of coverage.

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I'm leery because last time I took magnesium it tore up my tater patch, as my father used to say. I got raging diarrhea. Maybe I was taking too much!
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Well, I can certainly see why you would be leery of it (I wouldn't want my tater patch tore up either :lol:), but remember that almost anything taken in excessive amounts can be toxic. Both the amount and the type, but primarily the type of magnesium, determine the threshold for causing D. Magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide for example, are laxatives, if enough is taken, and they are the most common forms, because they are the cheapest forms available.

Magnesium glycinate is not a laxative. Jean takes up to 600 mg of magnesium glycinate daily I believe, without any problems. I take 200 mg of magnesium citrate and 200–300 mg of magnesium glycinate daily.

You don't have to take the whole bottle in 1 day. Starting slowly with too little is much better than suffering needlessly, and doing nothing to try to resolve a problem that is probably more serious than you realize.

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tex wrote:Well, I can certainly see why you would be leery of it (I wouldn't want my tater patch tore up either :lol:), but remember that almost anything taken in excessive amounts can be toxic. Both the amount and the type, but primarily the type of magnesium, determine the threshold for causing D. Magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide for example, are laxatives, if enough is taken, and they are the most common forms, because they are the cheapest forms available.

Magnesium glycinate is not a laxative. Jean takes up to 600 mg of magnesium glycinate daily I believe, without any problems. I take 200 mg of magnesium citrate and 200–300 mg of magnesium glycinate daily.

You don't have to take the whole bottle in 1 day. Starting slowly with too little is much better than suffering needlessly, and doing nothing to try to resolve a problem that is probably more serious than you realize.

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I was taking one tablet a day (I tried this in two different 'trial' periods with the same outcome) but think it was magnesium citrate.

I finally received my spray and book this weekend. Any and all free moments (and in honor of you, Tex any time spent in the bathroom) were spent reading the book. :pigtail:

Perhaps it is the citrate that tore me up so badly? I'm all for feeling better and if you knew me at all you would know I don't go at any pill, of any sort, whole hog. I'm a slow and steady wins the race type of girl. *nods*
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One other thing...Dr. is still fighting the insurance company to cover my entocort. They put me on antibiotic for bacterial overgrowth as well.

Fingers crossed I get on that path to remission soon. Willing to do whatever it takes, so...yep. I'll get there eventually because of all your help! :D
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Hi Karen,

You may notice an ability to be D freer as the days go by without the Entocort. Once you get thru your antibiotic for BO be sure to replenish some of those bacteria with a probiotic for a couple weeks. Then get head on with that diet change and taking the VitD3 and apply that Magnesium (you can be doing this while you are taking the antibiotic and probiotic and there after).

I will be hoping for the diet and supps to help you so that you don't have to stress over the med depending on its outcome:-)

I'm one of the few that did not take meds while transitioning and have found I could do it (it took me almost 3-4 months to get D free but it did work). I'm sure it has been helpful either way for many at this forum depending on their life needs.

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Karen,

Definitely use magnesium glycinate (chelated magnesium). It will not cause D. But do not use buffered chelated magnesium, because the buffering ingredient is magnesium oxide, which is the cheapest form of magnesium, and notorious for causing D.

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