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When tex says to try corn, I don't think he means WHOLE fresh corn. That usually goes through us whole! You might want to try it in the form of corn tortillas or corn Chex. I use Mag spray after i shower and just leave it on. I also take OTC antihistamines that help. Do you stay clear of high histamine foods...especially left over proteins?
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Leah wrote:When tex says to try corn, I don't think he means WHOLE fresh corn. That usually goes through us whole!
Correct. Thanks, Leah. I was thinking of tortillas, tortilla chips and Fritos.

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Thanks Leah and Tex will try those. Tried 100% corn pasta in Turkey bone broth and it didn't agree with me. I am taking several antihistamines throughout the day.
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Martha wrote:Tried 100% corn pasta in Turkey bone broth and it didn't agree with me.
Hmmmm. That's not a good omen for corn.

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HI Martha,

I seem to do best with this type of pasta http://www.tinkyada.com/ no corn, and the rice seems to digest just fine ( if there is such a thing). I've given the corn a rest....
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Oh great, thank you! I'm avoiding rice for 4 more days, just to see if it's a problem. Will definitely give it a try if it's not. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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I believe that avocado is to be avoided for a histamine problem. Correct? I received a large bottle of Avocado Oil for cooking for Christmas. I'm wondering if it's okay to use. It is cold-pressed and naturally refined. I was also given a large bottle of Garlic and Onion spice blend. I really don't use much spices of that type. I use more mild herbal type. With the MCC and the mast cell issue, one needs to be careful. Any thoughts?


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if you have small amount with other low histamine ingredients/meal then it should be ok.
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Thanks much, Gabes!

I wasn't sure about using the oil. I have been using virgin coconut oil almost exclusively.

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Jean,

I believe that while avocado as a vegetable is considered to be a high-histamine food (it's a histamine liberator), avocado oil is considered to be a low/med-histamine item. And as Gabes suggested, you probably won't be ingesting large amounts of it at any given time.

Incidentally, refined coconut oil works better for cooking. It does not add a coconut flavor to food fried in it, and it has a higher smoke point than virgin coconut oil.

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Tex,

Thanks for your response. I have done a lot of reading on various things and here is something I found on Dr. Mercola.

(a quote from his website) http://products.mercola.com/coconut-oil/


"Organic Coconut Oil Is the Only Oil I Cook With

I must confess...

If you could peek inside my pantry, you would find two oils that I use in food preparation.

The first, extra-virgin olive oil, is a better monounsaturated fat. It works great as a salad dressing.

However, it is not the best oil to cook with. Due to its chemical structure, cooking makes it susceptible to oxidative damage.

And polyunsaturated fats, which include common vegetables oils such as corn, soy, safflower, sunflower, and canola, are absolutely the worst oils to use in cooking. These omega-6 oils are highly susceptible to heat damage because of all the double bonds they have.

I strongly urge you to throw out those omega-6 vegetable oils in your cabinets. Why?

Reason #1: Most people believe that frying creates trans fats. That is not the major problem, in my opinion. Although some are created, they are relatively minor. There are FAR more toxic chemicals produced by frying omega-6 oils than trans fats.
Frying destroys the antioxidants in oils and as such oxidizes the oils. This causes cross-linking, cyclization, double-bond shifts, fragmentation, and polymerization of oils that cause far more damage than trans fats.

Reason #2: They contribute to the overabundance of omega-6 fats in your diet, and the imbalance of the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio. As you know from my extensive writing on this subject, I believe that excessive consumption of omega-6 fats contributes to many health concerns.

There is only one oil that is stable enough to resist heat-induced damage – organic coconut oil.
So, whenever you need an oil to cook with, use organic coconut oil instead of butter, olive oil, vegetable oil, margarine, or any other type of oil called for in recipes. Even though I don't fully recommend frying foods, if you must fry, by all means use organic coconut oil -- it's your smartest choice.

Curiously, organic coconut oil contains the most saturated fat of all edible oils. We continue to be inundated by media portrayals of saturated fats as dangerous, but now you know better. And now you should have more peace of mind, knowing that you're making the right choice by using great-tasting Fresh Shores Organic Extra Virgin Coconut Oil."

I realize that he is selling a product but my point is that he says Extra Virgin Coconut Oil.
In another spot he says:

"It must not be refined or purified. In fact, this type of inferior coconut oil is called RBD -- refined, bleached, and deodorized."

I have felt that Dr Mercola is pretty sharp on his nutrition so that's why I said virgin oil.

What are your thoughts?

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Doc Mercola knows how to write a good sales pitch (or someone on his staff does). I will continue to use refined coconut oil for my frying. There's certainly nothing wrong with using virgin coconut oil, if you don't mind the coconut taste and the lower smoke point. I buy refined coconut oil for frying, because it does a better job of frying (and it imparts a much better taste to the food).

If I were buying it as a health supplement, I might look at it differently, but that's not why I buy coconut oil. I get my omega-3 fatty acids from my food and from flax seed oil and fish oil supplements (capsules). If I get any from coconut oil, that's nice, but it's not the reason why I buy coconut oil.

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Tex,

Thanks much for your thoughts! I'm still trying to sort out a lot of things and there's always more than one side to things. I used to think coconut was bad for cholesterol. I've had quite high cholesterol for a great many years. Then I found out that coconut was a GOOD thing! I do think of it as a health issue.

Soon I will be seeing my cardiologist. I am seriously thinking about dropping my statins but I don't know what I should do. They still believe that eggs are not good for a person and I have never bought that theory . Also they don't think that we should eat hardly any meat. And then there is the diabetes I have to deal with plus the cancer.

I appreciate your wisdom.


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Jean,

As briefly described in my book, when Senator McGovern threw a monkey wrench into the USDA food guideline recommendations circa 1985, by dictating a policy that ignored science, he based his decision on "research" promoted by an individual who made a very stupid assumption — namely that eating fat causes people to become fat, eating cholesterol causes increased cholesterol levels, etc. He totally ignored the fact that the digestive system breaks food down into individual amino acids that are the building blocks used to create new tissue such as muscles, bones, etc.

Because government agencies are loathe to admit their mistakes, it takes forever for them to correct their mistakes. Only this week, USDA finally announced in their new guidelines (updated every 5 years) that eggs are OK to eat, after all. The fact that humans and their ancestors have been eating eggs without causing any cholesterol problems for over 2 million years apparently never registered on their feeble brains.

Did you read my post about the new guidelines? If your doctors still believe that eating eggs causes high cholesterol, their knowledgebase is out of date. That myth was dispelled several years ago. Here's a link to my post, if you haven't read it.

And I would also point out that research exists to show that for people over the age of about 65, higher cholesterol levels are associated with improved longevity (just the opposite of what is true for younger people — yet doctors continue to ignore this information). I can provide references, if you would like to see them. While it's true that statins have been shown to lower cardiac risks, research shows that statins have absolutely no beneficial effects on longevity. In general, they cause more problems than benefits. Unless you are relatively young, and your cholesterol level is sky high, or you have known cardiac issues, then there's little to be gained by taking a statin, IMO. One of the biggest problems I have with statins is that they appear to significantly increase the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease or other forms of age-related dementia.

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