Hi All,
I'm trying a little experiment today. As Polly would say, I just had to find out if I can handle lactose, again. My last attempt was interrupted by an unanticipated need for surgey, so I had to put the project on hold, for awhile.
It's now about 10 weeks later, and I'm at it again. This morning I ate a big bowl of Arrowhead Mills' Sweetened Rice Flakes, (sweetened with cane juice and maple syrup), with milk. There was some unusual sounding gurgling, before I finished eating, but that promptly settled down, with no noticeable ill effects.
So far, so good. I think it's gonna work.
Love,
Wayne
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It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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It almost, not quite, makes me want to sign up for surgery. I sure like yogurt. I'm crossing my fingers for you, truly. Marsha 
LOL. Wait a minute. Don't try surgery just yet. It might not work for you.
It appears that I'm going to get away with it. 14 hours have passed and I've had absolutely no reaction. In the past, I used to react to milk, with diarrhea, in about 8 or 10 hours.
Here's what this means, (I think): The damage to my small intestine has finally healed enough that my lactase production has recovered to a sufficient level to break down lactose again. This indicates that I'm either a celiac, or an MCer who is not diary intolerant, (which is kinda rare, I think).
Wayne
It appears that I'm going to get away with it. 14 hours have passed and I've had absolutely no reaction. In the past, I used to react to milk, with diarrhea, in about 8 or 10 hours.
Here's what this means, (I think): The damage to my small intestine has finally healed enough that my lactase production has recovered to a sufficient level to break down lactose again. This indicates that I'm either a celiac, or an MCer who is not diary intolerant, (which is kinda rare, I think).
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Good luck Wayne!
I am one MCer who is not dairy intolerant. I am able to eat any kind of dairy although too much, like ice cream, will give me some cramping. I don't eat the ice cream any more due to the diet, so all dairy products need to be low fat or 1-2% for milk. I do however have slight gassiness with dairy if I ingest too much. Mmmmmm
I noticed when my MC was very active that I was unable to tolerated "as much" dairy but it didn't seem to make the D worse. Well..........on second thought, who knew what made the D worse at that time! LOL
I am one MCer who is not dairy intolerant. I am able to eat any kind of dairy although too much, like ice cream, will give me some cramping. I don't eat the ice cream any more due to the diet, so all dairy products need to be low fat or 1-2% for milk. I do however have slight gassiness with dairy if I ingest too much. Mmmmmm
I noticed when my MC was very active that I was unable to tolerated "as much" dairy but it didn't seem to make the D worse. Well..........on second thought, who knew what made the D worse at that time! LOL
"Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful." -- Buddha
Tex,
I noticed your statement that implied probably all MC'ers are lactose intolerant. I've read this before in some report. Hmmm - I'm not, unless I'm a "silent" one. I am "silent" for gluten, however. Do you think that it's possible? I don't drink cow's milk (only soy) and don't eat a lot of diary, except cheese.
My sister is lactose intolerant, and my mother was, very late in life.
Three cheers for you to be ok with lactose again!!!
Alice
I noticed your statement that implied probably all MC'ers are lactose intolerant. I've read this before in some report. Hmmm - I'm not, unless I'm a "silent" one. I am "silent" for gluten, however. Do you think that it's possible? I don't drink cow's milk (only soy) and don't eat a lot of diary, except cheese.
My sister is lactose intolerant, and my mother was, very late in life.
Three cheers for you to be ok with lactose again!!!
Alice
Mars,
Please don't shoot the messenger, but cramping and gassiness are symptoms of lactose fermentation, which is caused by lactase insufficiency, aka lactose intolerance. It the effects are slight, it might just mean the you are only slightly low on lactase production.
According to the opinion of many doctors, you should be able to drink at least an 8 ounce glass of milk, without presenting symptoms, even if you are lactose intolerant. I never found that to be the case, though. For me, even a few ounces of milk caused gas, bloating, and D, within about 6 to 8 hours.
Alice,
It dawned on me that "rare" was a poor choice of words when I proof read my post, but I got sidetracked and forgot to change it. LOL. You're right, though, since apparently more than a few members of this board are not lactose intolerant.
Sure, it has to be possible for you to be asymptomatic with regard to gluten sensitivity, since some celiacs are asymptomatic. In my own case, I don't react promptly to individual instances of eating gluten, but I do get sick as a dog, in the long term.
I doubt that one could be "silent" with regard to lactose intolerance, since a shortage of lactase would mean that the lactose would ferment, and that would cause gas and probably cramping.
Cheese, of course, is very low in lactose, as is heavy cream. I always could tolerate cheese, as long as I didn't overdo it, even when other dairy products were out of the question.
Since lactose intolerance tends to run in families, you're fortunate to not have the problem.
For me, the best part of being able to drink milk, is to have the option of a quick and easy breakfast, when I'm short on time. I always liked rice cereal anyway, now I just have to make sure that it's GF.
Tex
Please don't shoot the messenger, but cramping and gassiness are symptoms of lactose fermentation, which is caused by lactase insufficiency, aka lactose intolerance. It the effects are slight, it might just mean the you are only slightly low on lactase production.
According to the opinion of many doctors, you should be able to drink at least an 8 ounce glass of milk, without presenting symptoms, even if you are lactose intolerant. I never found that to be the case, though. For me, even a few ounces of milk caused gas, bloating, and D, within about 6 to 8 hours.
Alice,
It dawned on me that "rare" was a poor choice of words when I proof read my post, but I got sidetracked and forgot to change it. LOL. You're right, though, since apparently more than a few members of this board are not lactose intolerant.
Sure, it has to be possible for you to be asymptomatic with regard to gluten sensitivity, since some celiacs are asymptomatic. In my own case, I don't react promptly to individual instances of eating gluten, but I do get sick as a dog, in the long term.
I doubt that one could be "silent" with regard to lactose intolerance, since a shortage of lactase would mean that the lactose would ferment, and that would cause gas and probably cramping.
Cheese, of course, is very low in lactose, as is heavy cream. I always could tolerate cheese, as long as I didn't overdo it, even when other dairy products were out of the question.
Since lactose intolerance tends to run in families, you're fortunate to not have the problem.
For me, the best part of being able to drink milk, is to have the option of a quick and easy breakfast, when I'm short on time. I always liked rice cereal anyway, now I just have to make sure that it's GF.
Tex
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Woo-Hoo! Okay then! When and what is the next food challenge?
Living vicariously through you . . . Marsha
Living vicariously through you . . . Marsha
Marsha, you 
me up! 
Ok, I won't shoot the messenger..........
I may be lactose intolerant then but I can handle yogurt, milk and cheese in small moderation (which is how you should eat anything, right?). I have the most trouble with excessive milk consumption. I tolerate low-fat cheese and yogurt very well. I don't drink milk any longer because I can't stand the taste of 1 or 2% milk and since I'm dieting, chocolate milk (which I love) is out of the question.
To summarize - I stay away from things that I know will not "agree" with me (i.e., glasses of milk, including chocolate, cabbage, fried/greasy foods, etc.)
I hope you continue to have possitive results with the lactose study and any future experiments you may try Wayne. I'm glad you are able to add some variety to your meals!
Love and hugz,
Mars
me up! Ok, I won't shoot the messenger..........
I may be lactose intolerant then but I can handle yogurt, milk and cheese in small moderation (which is how you should eat anything, right?). I have the most trouble with excessive milk consumption. I tolerate low-fat cheese and yogurt very well. I don't drink milk any longer because I can't stand the taste of 1 or 2% milk and since I'm dieting, chocolate milk (which I love) is out of the question.
To summarize - I stay away from things that I know will not "agree" with me (i.e., glasses of milk, including chocolate, cabbage, fried/greasy foods, etc.)
I hope you continue to have possitive results with the lactose study and any future experiments you may try Wayne. I'm glad you are able to add some variety to your meals!
Love and hugz,
Mars
"Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful." -- Buddha
Marsha,
My next challenge may be a gluten challenge, but I may need to wait until after a reversal surgery, before I attempt that. I'm trying to find out from Dr. Fine's lab, approximately how long I would have to ingest gluten, in order to get a reliable result from a stool test. They proclaimed me as gluten intolerant, based on damage to my small intestine, as evidenced by my fecal fat score.
I couldn't do a regular test for gluten antibodies, since I had been GF for 3 years and 9 months when I had the tests done at their lab. A blood test for gluten antibodies requires 3 to 6 months of gluten ingestion, for any chance of a positive test. I don't want to take a chance on eating gluten that long, and then being sick for another 3 to 6 months, while my small intestine heals. I'm hoping that a stool test requires a much shorter exposure time.
Mars,
Yougurt and cheese have virtually no lactose. Heavy cream, (whipping cream), has very little. I agree with you--the way to go is to eat according to what your body tells you, with regard to problem foods. It's unfortunate that chocolate is a problem, because cocoa "enhances" the ability of lactase to break down lactose. IOW, with the right "doseage" of cocoa, you can get by with only about a third as much lactase as would normally be required. That's why some people who are lactose intolerant, can drink chocolate milk, but not regular milk.
One of the things I like best about being able to tolerate dairy products, is the little things. Like being able to add a little milk and butter to mashed potatoes, for example.
Love,
wayne.
My next challenge may be a gluten challenge, but I may need to wait until after a reversal surgery, before I attempt that. I'm trying to find out from Dr. Fine's lab, approximately how long I would have to ingest gluten, in order to get a reliable result from a stool test. They proclaimed me as gluten intolerant, based on damage to my small intestine, as evidenced by my fecal fat score.
I couldn't do a regular test for gluten antibodies, since I had been GF for 3 years and 9 months when I had the tests done at their lab. A blood test for gluten antibodies requires 3 to 6 months of gluten ingestion, for any chance of a positive test. I don't want to take a chance on eating gluten that long, and then being sick for another 3 to 6 months, while my small intestine heals. I'm hoping that a stool test requires a much shorter exposure time.
Mars,
Yougurt and cheese have virtually no lactose. Heavy cream, (whipping cream), has very little. I agree with you--the way to go is to eat according to what your body tells you, with regard to problem foods. It's unfortunate that chocolate is a problem, because cocoa "enhances" the ability of lactase to break down lactose. IOW, with the right "doseage" of cocoa, you can get by with only about a third as much lactase as would normally be required. That's why some people who are lactose intolerant, can drink chocolate milk, but not regular milk.
One of the things I like best about being able to tolerate dairy products, is the little things. Like being able to add a little milk and butter to mashed potatoes, for example.
Love,
wayne.
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.