I finally made a batch of bone broth the other day and froze some and put a 5 day supply in glass jars in my fridge. Boy, has it made me feel awful. No doubt it's the bone broth. It made me gassy (not a problem I have a lot of) and watery D kicked in. I have 1 cup a day-it didn't make me feel great yesterday either but today-yikes. So after doing some reading I'm seeing that because it is cooked so long (I did about 28 hrs on stove), the histamine level can be quite high and some have a hard time with it.
I have been wondering if I have a histamine issue so this was interesting when I saw that. The reaction was about 3-4 hours after I drank it.
Any feedback on this? I didn't expect it to cause such chaos but that may have to go for now (plus, to be honest I did not enjoy the taste).
Taia
Bone broth-histamines?
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Sorry you had a bad reaction -
yes 5 day supply in the fridge will gather histamine and cause histamine reaction
Rather than having straight bone broth, I mainly cook with it, this also minimises histamine issues as it is 'reheated' per say.
I cook my veges with it, make soups and stews with it using my safe proteins/veges.
this way i am having small amount each meal throughout the day..
I only cook mine on a low boil (bit more than simmer but not a ferocious boil) for 3-4 hours, freeze in small portions straight away.
I have had histamine issues during my MC journey and have never reacted to bone broth in the 6 years i have been having it.
hope this helps.
yes 5 day supply in the fridge will gather histamine and cause histamine reaction
Rather than having straight bone broth, I mainly cook with it, this also minimises histamine issues as it is 'reheated' per say.
I cook my veges with it, make soups and stews with it using my safe proteins/veges.
this way i am having small amount each meal throughout the day..
I only cook mine on a low boil (bit more than simmer but not a ferocious boil) for 3-4 hours, freeze in small portions straight away.
I have had histamine issues during my MC journey and have never reacted to bone broth in the 6 years i have been having it.
hope this helps.
Gabes Ryan
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Taia,
Every day a food spends in the refrigerator compounds the histamine level. I can eat 1-day old chicken soup without any problems. But 2 days in the fridge will cause gas and minor bloating for me. By the third day, it will cause bloating plus itching and D.
But if you began to react on the first day, then something else about the broth may be causing problems for you, and you probably should avoid it.
Tex
Every day a food spends in the refrigerator compounds the histamine level. I can eat 1-day old chicken soup without any problems. But 2 days in the fridge will cause gas and minor bloating for me. By the third day, it will cause bloating plus itching and D.
But if you began to react on the first day, then something else about the broth may be causing problems for you, and you probably should avoid it.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thanks Gabes and Tex!
I'm just going to avoid it for now. When I do try it again, I will cook it for less time and not store in fridge. I had read that the actual cooking time also very much increases the histamine level. Since most recipes I saw recommended to cook for 24 + hours if using stove top or slow cooker-this in combination with the fridge is just a no go for me now.
Have a great day all! Taia
I'm just going to avoid it for now. When I do try it again, I will cook it for less time and not store in fridge. I had read that the actual cooking time also very much increases the histamine level. Since most recipes I saw recommended to cook for 24 + hours if using stove top or slow cooker-this in combination with the fridge is just a no go for me now.
Have a great day all! Taia
Taia,
I've also read that. I have some doubts that it's true (that histamine increases with cooking time), but there's certainly no proof that it's not true, also. One thing is for sure — cooking destroys the bacteria and the bacterial decarboxylases that produce histamines, but any histamine already in existence cannot be destroyed by cooking. Therefore, if old bones that have been lying around on the counter or in the fridge for several days (either at home, or at the butcher shop) are used, then the histamine may already be present. The reason why I doubt it is true (that increased cooking time increases histamine content) is because the bacteria involved cannot survive at cooking temperatures, and histamine is not capable of increasing by virtue of its own attributes — it has to be produced by bacteria or their decarboxylase enzymes.
And IMO this is also why (back when I was still recovering) I sometimes reacted to banana bread, and sometimes I did not. Barely-ripe bananas have a relatively low to moderate histamine level. But every day that they continue to ripen, the histamine level rapidly increases. As a result, fully ripe bananas are a high-histamine food. I cannot handle very ripe bananas without having histamine problems. But barely-ripe bananas never bother me. So back when I was recovering, if very ripe bananas were used in the banana bread, I probably reacted. And if barely-ripe bananas were used, I was home free.
This is just one example of why we can react to a food sometimes, but not at other times.
Thanks, and I hope your day is way above par, also.
Tex
I've also read that. I have some doubts that it's true (that histamine increases with cooking time), but there's certainly no proof that it's not true, also. One thing is for sure — cooking destroys the bacteria and the bacterial decarboxylases that produce histamines, but any histamine already in existence cannot be destroyed by cooking. Therefore, if old bones that have been lying around on the counter or in the fridge for several days (either at home, or at the butcher shop) are used, then the histamine may already be present. The reason why I doubt it is true (that increased cooking time increases histamine content) is because the bacteria involved cannot survive at cooking temperatures, and histamine is not capable of increasing by virtue of its own attributes — it has to be produced by bacteria or their decarboxylase enzymes.
And IMO this is also why (back when I was still recovering) I sometimes reacted to banana bread, and sometimes I did not. Barely-ripe bananas have a relatively low to moderate histamine level. But every day that they continue to ripen, the histamine level rapidly increases. As a result, fully ripe bananas are a high-histamine food. I cannot handle very ripe bananas without having histamine problems. But barely-ripe bananas never bother me. So back when I was recovering, if very ripe bananas were used in the banana bread, I probably reacted. And if barely-ripe bananas were used, I was home free.
This is just one example of why we can react to a food sometimes, but not at other times.
Thanks, and I hope your day is way above par, also.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex.......tex wrote: if very ripe bananas were used in the banana bread, I probably reacted. And if barely-ripe bananas were used, I was home free.
This is just one example of why we can react to a food sometimes, but not at other times.
Tex
All my life I have loved very ripe bananas, maybe I need to try to get used to just yellow ones. I'll try.
I'm feeling a bit delicate tody with a dull tummy pain. No D, but did produce 2 x Bristol 1/2 this morning. It was at this point I felt a bit unwell.
I made a huge batch of bone broth from specially ordered grass fed beef and lamb which I cooked very long and slow and then froze in bite sized quantities for a beef tea or to cook my vegetables and then it acts as a thin soup that my dinner floats in. Sounds gross but I love my food in a puddle of tasty liquid, not gravy ( hate gravy).
Yesterday I had a big handful of almonds and a very ripe banana but have had them before with no problems.
Should I suspect the beef tea, the almonds or my ripe bananas? Tonight I feel like a giant portion of roast leg of lamb and quite honestly as poorly as I feel I am compelled to eat this. I sent my partner out to buy the lamb after work. :-/
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If you have noticed any mast cell symptoms such as itching, watery eyes, throat mucus, nasal discharge, signs of a rash or a weal anywhere, mouthsores, or bloating, it could be the bananas. This may not apply to you, but even though I can tolerate almond butter just fine, whenever I try to eat almonds I get a bellyache, so I don't eat almonds.Jen wrote:Should I suspect the beef tea, the almonds or my ripe bananas? Tonight I feel like a giant portion of roast leg of lamb and quite honestly as poorly as I feel I am compelled to eat this. I sent my partner out to buy the lamb after work. :-/
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Terry-
I roasted 3 lbs of beef and pork bones for an hour and then I put them in a pot on the stove, covered with water and threw in a few carrots, few celery stalks, half an onion, a bay leaf and a bit of apple cider vinegar. Strained it out at the end. Who knows but I don't plan on making it again soon. I still have my freezer stash. Maybe it's as simple as drinking 1 cup straight was just too much!
Taia
I roasted 3 lbs of beef and pork bones for an hour and then I put them in a pot on the stove, covered with water and threw in a few carrots, few celery stalks, half an onion, a bay leaf and a bit of apple cider vinegar. Strained it out at the end. Who knows but I don't plan on making it again soon. I still have my freezer stash. Maybe it's as simple as drinking 1 cup straight was just too much!
Taia
I also do not use bay leaf .I use beef bones only carrots celery onion sea salt.
I put my beef bones on A Teflon sheet and only lightly brown them in the oven for flavor.
My bad news phone call for CC was Nov. 18 2014 and I could not tolerate pork until this summer and do not have it often but now can tolerate bacon and the grease very well.
Terry
I put my beef bones on A Teflon sheet and only lightly brown them in the oven for flavor.
My bad news phone call for CC was Nov. 18 2014 and I could not tolerate pork until this summer and do not have it often but now can tolerate bacon and the grease very well.
Terry
I used to cook with onions almost daily, do you think its possible I may be able to if I have onions again if I do have MC. I'm not sure what I have tbhGabes-Apg wrote:Not many MC'ers can tolerate onion......
I made my bone broth from four organic carrots, sea salt and still spring water. I boiled for two days and now have jelly type stuff in my freezer. I portioned it by freezing it in my cup
pans. There wasn't that much liquid left in the end. It was a very satisfying process.
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No more almonds for a while. I also had a few cups of my bone broth.....maybe over did things there. Still got a slight tummy ache.tex wrote:If you have noticed any mast cell symptoms such as itching, watery eyes, throat mucus, nasal discharge, signs of a rash or a weal anywhere, mouthsores, or bloating, it could be the bananas. This may not apply to you, but even though I can tolerate almond butter just fine, whenever I try to eat almonds I get a bellyache, so I don't eat almonds.Jen wrote:Should I suspect the beef tea, the almonds or my ripe bananas? Tonight I feel like a giant portion of roast leg of lamb and quite honestly as poorly as I feel I am compelled to eat this. I sent my partner out to buy the lamb after work. :-/
Tex
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